[Q] BGH Strategy

On December 04 2008 01:25 anderoo wrote:
i think that Zerg>Terran on BGH
As far as late game goes anyway, since it's pretty easy to go ultraling with that much resources. Also the middle is pretty open so flanking is easy.
I guess terran just gets the advantage when it comes to defending bases because those choke points are so dominated by bunkers until defilers are out
it sounds like you are doing mech vs your brother so I'd suggest just whoring mines all over the middle of the map while taking some expos-->going mass 3/3 army-->IRRADIATE THOSE DEFILERS

On December 04 2008 01:33 Not_Computer wrote:
For BGH 2v2/3v3/4v4:
Zerg is by far the weakest race. Unless you can win over your opponents by producing mass zerglings and somehow surviving to the tech level of mutalisk/lurker (and hoping your opponent doesn't have anti-air/detection). Zerg is strong offensively (mainly due to the mobility of speedlings... so if you can micro) but mass zealot/mm and 1a2a3a(1t2t) can run over any mass of sunkens+zerglings.

On December 04 2008 01:51 Raithed wrote:
TvP mm > early P uptil P can amass some cannon defense then tech to goon/storm/speedlot/reaver... etc. after that T has to switch to metal and ABUSE cliffing.
ZvT lings(9poolspeed mass ling), all T is doing atm is defend and get marine, medic, firebat into mmtankvessel and use some dropships and abuse cliffing. even in bgh, the more bases you give zerg, zerg will just run over you if they can macro.
ZvP > Z will overrun P from beginning and do a tech switch, P has to defend for the time being until they can get speedlot/archon/storm and secure a base while killing off a zerg base etc.

i admit macro for P is easier than Z or T but in some cases theyll have to defend, HOWEVER this is VERY dependant on starting positions. if T is close = you win. if T is far, mm > zeal/goon until you amass. if Z is close = hard. if Z is far = good for you.

On December 04 2008 02:22 Hot_Bid wrote:

i can't imagine the matchups going the way you say they do, are you sure you're experienced in high level BGH?

On December 04 2008 02:25 Salv wrote:


Did you just say high level BGH?

On December 04 2008 01:51 Raithed wrote:
TvP mm > early P uptil P can amass some cannon defense then tech to goon/storm/speedlot/reaver... etc. after that T has to switch to metal and ABUSE cliffing.
ZvT lings(9poolspeed mass ling), all T is doing atm is defend and get marine, medic, firebat into mmtankvessel and use some dropships and abuse cliffing. even in bgh, the more bases you give zerg, zerg will just run over you if they can macro.
ZvP > Z will overrun P from beginning and do a tech switch, P has to defend for the time being until they can get speedlot/archon/storm and secure a base while killing off a zerg base etc.

i admit macro for P is easier than Z or T but in some cases theyll have to defend, HOWEVER this is VERY dependant on starting positions. if T is close = you win. if T is far, mm > zeal/goon until you amass. if Z is close = hard. if Z is far = good for you.

On December 04 2008 02:25 Salv wrote:

Did you just say high level BGH?

On December 04 2008 02:32 LonelyMargarita wrote:

I'm pretty sure your wrong on everything. T can just metal vs zerg, with 2 gas in their main. Toss forces tons of sunkens vs zerg, which kills their econ. Really zerg can't win a 1v1 unless it's vs zerg on bgh.

When you don't even know how to wall one of the positions on the map, you're probably not experienced enough to know all the balance issues.

On December 04 2008 02:35 Hot_Bid wrote:

i guarantee that if you play some good BGH players 1v1 pvp on low money maps you will be absolutely destroyed, their low tech unit control and overall macro is very strong. look at the testie-kural series for proof, or that hnr)insane (a bgher on our staff) won the endurance tournament.

On December 04 2008 02:35 Hot_Bid wrote:

i guarantee that if you play some good BGH players 1v1 pvp on low money maps you will be absolutely destroyed, their low tech unit control and overall macro is very strong. look at the testie-kural series for proof, or that hnr)insane (a bgher on our staff) won the endurance tournament.

On December 04 2008 03:02 Salv wrote:

I always thought that Testie-Kural series was a joke or something, didn't know it was a legitimately played series.

On December 04 2008 03:04 Hot_Bid wrote:

did you watch the games? it's a pretty convincing "joke" then

On December 04 2008 02:22 Hot_Bid wrote:

i can't imagine the matchups going the way you say they do, are you sure you're experienced in high level BGH?

On December 04 2008 02:26 Kau wrote:


Although I don't fall under your criteria of over 2k games of bgh... neither ling can get to the other side.

On December 04 2008 02:32 LonelyMargarita wrote:



I'm pretty sure your wrong on everything. T can just metal vs zerg, with 2 gas in their main. Toss forces tons of sunkens vs zerg, which kills their econ. Really zerg can't win a 1v1 unless it's vs zerg on bgh.

When you don't even know how to wall one of the positions on the map, you're probably not experienced enough to know all the balance issues.

On December 04 2008 03:51 BruceLee6783 wrote:
Don't you guys mean Koolam???

On December 04 2008 02:29 onihunter wrote:
Slightly off-topic: Anyone have any good strats for FFA BGH?

On December 04 2008 04:39 Snacks wrote:
You must have serious problems if you can't beat cannons with a fast pure tank/vulture build. In theory tanks do knock down cannons before carriers arrive, don't make things up. If your seriously waiting for late game and hitting 200/200 to siege those cannons, you deserve to lose to a protoss taking their time going carriers.

On December 04 2008 04:26 Resonance wrote:
I can see how P is good vs Z, but I think T is the best on this map.

Mainly because it's hard for P or Z to get a good flank on this map considering the entrances are so narrow. T can wall off almost every entrance somehow, and tanks can reach most natural expansions from across the water. + tank dropping ability from the ride. The only problem is that I can see that it would be hard for T to get another expo.

On December 04 2008 03:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
high level 1v1 on bgh rarely, if ever, goes the way you described in in those

maybe i'm completely wrong and you're some hidden gosu

On December 04 2008 02:25 Salv wrote:

THere are people out there who take BGH very very seriously.

Did you just say high level BGH?

On December 04 2008 04:39 Snacks wrote:
You must have serious problems if you can't beat cannons with a fast pure tank/vulture build. In theory tanks do knock down cannons before carriers arrive, don't make things up. If your seriously waiting for late game and hitting 200/200 to siege those cannons, you deserve to lose to a protoss taking their time going carriers.

On December 04 2008 01:33 Not_Computer wrote:
For BGH 1v1:
P >> Z or T
Z > T early game (lings > rines without medics)
T >> Z mid-game (mm or vults >> marine/hydra and even lurkers in some cases because of abundance of minerals)

You can tank cliff all bases except 12 and 3. In order of ease -> 5,9,11,6,7,1
You can cannon 11,12,5,7

The community of mannered "veteran" players have been diminishing a lot, most of the people you find nowadays either suck, hack (whether blatantly or subtly), or both, and are really bm. USWest channel: marlboro, usually has mannered players (at least more mannered than the majority...) and if you want some USEast channels just PM me if interested.

TvP mm > early P uptil P can amass some cannon defense then tech to goon/storm/speedlot/reaver... etc. after that T has to switch to metal and ABUSE cliffing.
ZvT lings(9poolspeed mass ling), all T is doing atm is defend and get marine, medic, firebat into mmtankvessel and use some dropships and abuse cliffing. even in bgh, the more bases you give zerg, zerg will just run over you if they can macro.
ZvP > Z will overrun P from beginning and do a tech switch, P has to defend for the time being until they can get speedlot/archon/storm and secure a base while killing off a zerg base etc.

On December 04 2008 02:01 Raithed wrote:
oh and this is to not_computer or anyone whos played bgh for over 2k games in team vs team/"pro" matches, how do you wall off 12? ive tried various ways but zerglings always gets through. do you use ssb?

On December 04 2008 03:59 grobo wrote:


Yeah it was Koolam.

On December 04 2008 04:26 Resonance wrote:
I can see how P is good vs Z, but I think T is the best on this map.

Mainly because it's hard for P or Z to get a good flank on this map considering the entrances are so narrow. T can wall off almost every entrance somehow, and tanks can reach most natural expansions from across the water. + tank dropping ability from the ride. The only problem is that I can see that it would be hard for T to get another expo.

On December 04 2008 05:43 stalife wrote:
the endurance games are on www.sc2gg.com --> diggity's youtube site. I (jaweajp) almost beat him on bgh, but he's the better player overall and ended up winning T_T but yeah, bgh heavily favours protoss, just like in fastest, protoss is heavily favoured

On December 04 2008 05:47 jra64 wrote:


I don't know if this is directed at me, but yes, I have problems VS a quick Carrier rush.

I do 7 depot, 10 racks, 12 refinery, then I go straight for tank drop for his expand to slow economy, or I just walk the tanks across the damn river to hit his expand. I've had some success dropping with goliaths before the carriers come out, but it seems that cannons can hold off long enough to get at least a carrier out. This has just been my experience. After comsating and seeing he goes carries, I go 3/3 goliaths maxed, but pretty much in my experience you have to push the P before he gets carriers and on BGH he definitely has the resources to do so.

On December 04 2008 08:59 revoluti0nX wrote:
the best strategy is alt+q+q

On December 04 2008 14:52 b_unnies wrote:
theres basically really no bgh strategy.

each race has only 1 build that works

On December 04 2008 07:54 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Protoss is not necessarily the strongest 1v1 on BGH but it is the strongest in team games on BGH. That said, Z < P 1v1 on BGH and Z <<<<<<< T 1v1 on BGH, at least in the hands of two fairly skilled players or equally skilled players.

As for zerg, zerg sucks ass on BGH. It's a matter of the way economy works. Think about it this way. On a low money map, the main has maybe 8-10 mineral patches. Off of a 9 pool, the zerg can still have one drone on each patch. Even hunters has 10 mineral patches. But BGH has 15 mineral patches. This means that the protoss/terran's ability to continuously make workers throughout the entire early game of making units pays off far more than the zergs. The zerg can certainly keep up with the protoss or terran for maybe 5 minutes, but after that it's over unless the zerg has really really hurt the T or P. Protoss can easily support 4-5 gate zealots by the 5 minute mark on BGH, because they're getting far more minerals than on low money simply by virtue of the fact that their 25 probes are mining from 15 patches instead of 9 patches like on python. This advantage does not help zerg at all.

PvT on BGH is different for the same reasons I just listed. There are specific BGH BO's, like 3 gate fast goon, that are just not doable on low money, because once you get past 9 probes mining minerals, you're already taking in more money over the same period of time than you could in low money. MM gets SLAUGHTERED by goons on BGH, unless your allies buy you time to really get a huge mass of MM, and in terms of 1v1 you'd have to play a really turtling, fast siege build vs goons because the normal 5 rines FD or w/e you want to do won't work when your opponent can have 9-10 goons at the time they have 5 on low money

Positions play a huge role in BGH, as in any 3v3 or 4v4. 5 can tank 3's gas from below from his own base, you can tank most of the naturals' mineral lines from across the rivers, you can put tanks at 3 to get free shots at any units coming out of 5 or tanks at 9 nat to get free shots at anything coming from shared positions at 6/7, etc.

Protoss late game air with well microed carriers and arbiters is far stronger than even a 200/200 mass of terran 3/3 liaths. The way the map is designed is like carrier heaven; every single path is narrow, you can run away at any point on the map, well placed stasis at chokes and on chunks of units will completely rape the terran. You may not be able to fight the huge mass of 3/3 liath's straight up, but then...you're not supposed to. Micro well on BGH and carriers >>> liath due to the pathing and terrain

On December 04 2008 08:59 revoluti0nX wrote:
the best strategy is alt+q+q

On December 04 2008 15:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:


Absolutely correct and well put.
But once you figure this out, you should stop playing BGH (competitively) actually, since you've pointed out all the major flaws of that map. Or to put it differently: stop trying to be good at BGH, since the map is absolutely not worth it, it's a piece of shit.
A BGHer who realizes this is too good for the BGH scene anyway and should start playing low.

On December 04 2008 16:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
BGH is a 3v3 UMS.

On December 04 2008 06:14 HnR)Insane wrote:
I haven't played much PvZ 1v1 on BGH simply because Z is regarded as so much weaker there are almost no players of Z 1v1 on BGH.

On December 04 2008 14:52 b_unnies wrote:
theres basically really no bgh strategy.

each race has only 1 build that works

On December 04 2008 22:23 HnR)Insane wrote:
If you survive up to a certain point with a strong economy/tech as Zerg, then I think the ability to rapidly switch unit production between unit types easier than protoss (and also the fact that morphing archons is a pain in the ass when you're trying to also fight / micro armies) gives Zerg a good shot. It's just the fact that you can't get there.

On December 04 2008 15:50 beefhamburger wrote:

Why should that BGHer play low when he has more fun playing BGH? The main reason people play any certain map or game type is because it's more fun for them.

On December 04 2008 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote:
hmm, we played 2 games and result was 1-1 -.-

But they were interesting games I believe.

Here are they for all the world to see: -> click <-

On December 04 2008 16:58 Conquest101 wrote:


What? No.

On December 04 2008 00:57 jra64 wrote:
Yeah, I know the TL community doesn't really like BGH. But I just got back into Starcraft and me and my brother have been playing 1v1s on BGH (I don't think he likes to play anywhere else)

I mainly play on Lost Temple, so I'm with you guys on this one. But I have a lot more fun playing my brother on BGH than I do playing random people on Lost Temple.

I was wondering who you guys think the best race on BGH and possibly how to play Terran. I am doing good with Terran and my brother usually plays Zerg, but I just wanted to post this to see what the TL community thinks because a lot of you that still check these boards are skilled players =).

Also, what would you guys do as a Terran fighting a Protoss that goes straight for Static Defense (with or without quick expo) into Carrier Rush on BGH? If I go absolutely STRAIGHT for a tank by the time I'm getting it I have to slowly push through cannons, and by that time, Carriers on BGH is tough to stop Terran. I had 3/3 Goliaths and he was maxed too, but he kept pushing cannons into the middle. I have 4 expos and about 20 factories and I still lost (we got disconnected, but I may not have held it)

Thanks =). I know to you guys BGH is easy to play, so could you please tell me how to play it 1v1? I look forward to seeing your thoughts.

On December 08 2008 16:41 R3condite wrote:


mmm dude i noe cus i havea bro too it's cus u r playing w/ soem1 u noe

SC is always more fun no matter wat map, playing w/ some1 u noe

that out of the way if he goes carrier on u then go BC on him enough BC's and u'll eat up his cannons like cereal not to mention destroyyyy interceptors

On March 15 2009 13:11 CTStalker wrote:
is surfer4life actually like a respected player or something? everytime i've played against him in 3v3s he's been a typical petulant east caps shit talker whose play usually fails to live up to his mouth

On March 15 2009 13:11 CTStalker wrote:
is surfer4life actually like a respected player or something? everytime i've played against him in 3v3s he's been a typical petulant east caps shit talker whose play usually fails to live up to his mouth

On March 15 2009 13:11 CTStalker wrote:
is surfer4life actually like a respected player or something? everytime i've played against him in 3v3s he's been a typical petulant east caps shit talker whose play usually always fails to live up to his mouth

ROFL " HISTORICAL EVENT " Me Vs LzGamer TvP Python EEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!

ROFL kid just randomly asked for 1v1 in marlboro, then refused cause he thought i still played bgh.. well damn man my low money is improveing alot just from 1v1ing asia server on python..

GAME is funny as shit, hes talking so much shit how he owns me ect.. please read commentary comedy=

he choose protoss, from being zerg, because he his pvt is better, which it wasnt.. ROFL hes #1349 in gosugamers.net

i guess im #1348 best non-korean world ?? .. damn

" Not Bad "

..

10 min game (ez) = walk in park all day long =

thinking of uploading on gosugamers.net, but its not even a gg, its straight rape yo '

ROFL... ted u really pull

ROFL... ted u really pull shit out of your ass man, nice fake rep scenerio.. i remember the one rep,. when i straight cock fucked ur mother punishing her pussy for giving birth to u, do u remember that rep at all ???

i posted it a while back..

and yeahright.. if u read commentary, its lzgamer.. stupid newb, talk more shit

gg
ez
thanks`

and slapper, this goes for anybody on this site.. if u cant beat me 1v1 python or any map you choose.. then stfu on this site, and stfu in real life

gg
ez

On March 15 2009 16:37 WildRed wrote:
You need to understand that Surfer will never ever EVER stop talking shit. He can go 1-100 vs someone and he'll claim it's 1-0 GG NO RE and that you're making everything else up. He has 220 APM, but most of it is him spamming the 3 key, which is his CC. He does this throughout the entire game, no matter what else is happening. There are dozens of people, myself included, who have absolutely faceraped surfer countless times, but he still insists he is far better and that if you just give him one more rematch he'll prove it. He is kind of like the stereotypical East BM player, only multiplied by several thousands. His powers of extrapolation are incredible: a friend of his played a TvP vs Nony 3 years ago and came close to winning with a rush, but ended up losing badly after another 10 minutes. Surfer then beat this guy 3 years later, TvP on BGH, 1v1, and from this extrapolates that he would rape Nony.

One time, I TvTed him on Luna, and I took the entire map, 8 expos, versus his main and nat. He did his usual terrible bunker over ramp opening into random 4 rine + 2 vult drop, got contained by 50 tanks, made 5 dropships, filled them with like 12 vults and 5 tanks, and then got them all killed by me before they even unloaded anything. He then said I was using a lag hack, and because I had scanned his dropships, I was maphacking. I was fucking with him; I had 9 comsats; I scanned his dropships from when he was loading them all the way til they came to my base, scanning once every 1-2 seconds and following him the entire way. He threw a huge temper tantrum, which I screenshotted (no RWT then) about how I map hacked and lag hacked and how he'd beat my face in in real life etcetc.

Of course he isn't going to show up to a real life event when he's constantly talking about assraping and cockfucking your face and how he's gonna kick your ass real life and whatever other garbage he has said.

Are you saying that he really IS like that in real life? I can only assume he is not a multimillionaire CEO after posting those pics of himself standing in front of his grandma's minivan, and the clearly fake, mistake riddled "legal briefs" he obviously wrote himself, and because he flips old cars on craigslist for a few hundred bucks. If his online persona really does match his real life persona....I don't know what to say. If he does go to college then I assume the stupidity with which he posts must be an act.

He is a narcissist of the utmost caliber. One cannot even begin to understand the depths to which this narcissism runs without knowing the guy over a fairly long period of time. He told me my parents were "geraffs and korala bears." He said "at least I don't keep my stock on my hat, Jiminey Kricket." "I got sperms`" "Hey Endless how much sperms do u cum??" "Hey endless ur mothers vagina is endless"

On March 15 2009 20:39 Boblion wrote:
This guy can't be real lol.
DON'T BAN HIM.
I want a showmatch him vs any decent TL member before. Bring NONY !
That would be funny to watch :D

"model status" LOoooooooooooooooool

edit: well. I think it would be a waste of time for a player like Nony. But i would enjoy to see him raped in a replay. And then see the lame bm rant about "settings" :D

On March 15 2009 16:30 randomKo_Orean wrote:
He has attitude of most USA A players, without the skill.

On March 15 2009 21:32 MagisterMan wrote:
Dude... chill out :O .

On Topic: In 3v3 P is strong as hell. Just mass zeal and take out 1 player. Then go carriers.

On March 16 2009 01:19 Equinox_kr wrote:
BEST.
THREAD.
EVER.

On March 16 2009 03:29 Fontong wrote:
LOL HAHA WOW

The people were talking shit about him then he comes in and proves they were exactly right haha wow.

Edit: funny that he called randomkor 5'0" when he is like 6 feet tall or something and huge, or at least he is in my perspective since I'm only 5'6"

On March 16 2009 01:23 Eatme wrote:

You kinda get that when you have enough east players in one thread. Most BGH players play on east if I my information is correct.

On March 13 2009 22:05 2Pacalypse- wrote:
- average intelligence of tl's members is among highest from all other forums I've ever encountered.

On March 16 2009 09:36 dddrrreee wrote:
Damn, surfer, and I thought you were a cool guy. You either accidentally typo a lot of racist slurs and other immature obscenities, or you're really an idiot. It's hard to believe that anyone is this stupid though, so I'm thinking you just typo a lot.

On March 16 2009 14:57 cgrinker wrote:
Man, I wish I was that good at BGH lol.

On March 16 2009 17:13 TERROR-RISING wrote:
WELL.. person here is a prime example of a magnificent terran player vs a very fluent bgh toss..

the terran player is magnificent in real life, if i were u, i would try to find out how i can suck his dick asap, as well as how u could instruct your own mother to suck his cock at the same time

ez

~ good rep guys ~ TvP BGH ----- Prime Example

http://bghers.com/node/173

Enjoy!!

On March 16 2009 17:51 randomKo_Orean wrote:

Oh he isnt? I had to admit, he was pretty impressive in those maps. Maybe I was wrong. His build certainly do work though.

On March 16 2009 18:53 Kwark wrote:
It always amuses me how bghers have pride.

On March 16 2009 19:05 IdrA wrote:

not everyone has the skill the be a cheesy protoss.

On March 16 2009 19:42 Kwark wrote:

And those that don't pick terran and whine about it. On a related note Greg, do you think you would have qualified for a starleague by now if you played Protoss?

On March 16 2009 19:55 IdrA wrote:

i dunno about a starleague but i would be 'better' (able to win more) than i am now as terran

On March 16 2009 20:15 Phoned wrote:
if you are D+, you are better than surfer.

On March 16 2009 05:53 WildRed wrote:
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What a stupid thing to say.

On March 16 2009 20:30 Eatme wrote:
It was just a joke, but I think I was not too far off. We recently saw another thread evolve into a shitstorm eaststyle and
this is a funny reminder of how atleast I look at the east server. I know it is exaggerated but still it is a valid thing to make jokes about.

EDIT:Meh messed up the cutaway ect.

On March 16 2009 20:44 FireEagle wrote:
If you want to win on this map, simply play terran. Static defense+battlecruisers. Block the choke with a supply+rax, make a bunker behind the supply, second supply where the rax was, thirs supply, if necessary, near the second, to complete the block. Make a factory with addon, make marines meanwhile. In the end you will have a row of supplies, followed by a row of bunkers and some siege tanks behind. Then go battlecruisers. Because of this defense, any ground atack won't work. Melee units will be delayed by the supplies and will fall to the marines in bunker and siege tanks. Ranged units will have to be clustered to atack the tanks. This blocking is verry effective against everything except all-in mutas. When you have a critical mass of battlecruisers simply 1a and it's gg.

On March 16 2009 20:44 FireEagle wrote:
If you want to win on this map, simply play terran. Static defense+battlecruisers. Block the choke with a supply+rax, make a bunker behind the supply, second supply where the rax was, thirs supply, if necessary, near the second, to complete the block. Make a factory with addon, make marines meanwhile. In the end you will have a row of supplies, followed by a row of bunkers and some siege tanks behind. Then go battlecruisers. Because of this defense, any ground atack won't work. Melee units will be delayed by the supplies and will fall to the marines in bunker and siege tanks. Ranged units will have to be clustered to atack the tanks. This blocking is verry effective against everything except all-in mutas. When you have a critical mass of battlecruisers simply 1a and it's gg.

On March 16 2009 20:04 Kwark wrote:

So what you're saying is that before each game you sit there and think "yeah, I'll handicap myself, winning games is for losers" and then pick Terran? And then you blame Protoss players for not doing the same? How does that work?
Surely then, by picking Terran you're getting it wrong and by the same token they're getting it right with Protoss. Complaining to people that they keep outsmarting you on the race selection option is almost as silly as maintaining that you were too good to beat an awful build. It's hardly their fault.

If you're after a handicap couldn't you just play Protoss and kill one of your starting probes or not use dragoons or something?

On March 16 2009 21:21 IdrA wrote:

what im saying is if id had almost a year of practice in a pro team with protoss thatd be the case, obviously my terran is currently better than my protoss. they wouldnt allow a race switch. before i came to korea i did indeed switch over to pvt a month or 2 before wcg usa. was 1 game from getting out of an all terran group in wcg usa on 2 months of practice. definitely a tough race to play.

On March 16 2009 20:44 FireEagle wrote:
If you want to win on this map, simply play terran. Static defense+battlecruisers. Block the choke with a supply+rax, make a bunker behind the supply, second supply where the rax was, thirs supply, if necessary, near the second, to complete the block. Make a factory with addon, make marines meanwhile. In the end you will have a row of supplies, followed by a row of bunkers and some siege tanks behind. Then go battlecruisers. Because of this defense, any ground atack won't work. Melee units will be delayed by the supplies and will fall to the marines in bunker and siege tanks. Ranged units will have to be clustered to atack the tanks. This blocking is verry effective against everything except all-in mutas. When you have a critical mass of battlecruisers simply 1a and it's gg.

On March 16 2009 22:04 Kwark wrote:

Care to explain why Terrans have historically always done far better than Protoss players? Are all Terran's just naturally gifted far beyond the abilities of any Protoss player? If so, do the more gifted individuals somehow all choose Terran in order to give the appearance of balance or does the act of choosing Terran somehow make them superhuman?

On March 16 2009 22:20 IdrA wrote:

obviously its because certain players happened to choose terran

protoss raped everything for like 2 seasons after bisu showed all the other retards that the 3 best harass units in the game and the fastest transport in the game make a pretty fuckin good combo.

terran has not historically done well. nada oov and boxer have historically done well.

On March 16 2009 22:37 randomKo_Orean wrote:
With that said, Terran did run into fewer strong challenges in the past (Boxer, Nada, oov, theMarine, Xellos just to name a few in top of my head) (Pre-savior era), hence the Terran domination in respect to history, That's why Protoss players (Kingdom, NalRa, Reach, etc.) became heroes, because amidst of such top-calibur terran players, they took OSL golds.

On March 16 2009 23:22 Piy wrote:
aren't P>T arguments a bannable offence now?

On March 16 2009 23:33 fuckyoufaggot wrote:
random korean = luke, listen here faggot and this is for the record.. ur fuckin a short midet, compared to me.. im 5'10-5'11, im not tall enough 2 b a model ??

On March 16 2009 20:58 Kwark wrote:

I see no flaws with this plan.

On March 16 2009 23:22 Piy wrote:
aren't P>T arguments a bannable offence now?

On March 17 2009 00:11 FaCE_1 wrote:
btw.. channel motel in East is pretty much always empty.. where is all the bgh player idle now ??

On March 16 2009 20:44 FireEagle wrote:
If you want to win on this map, simply play terran. Static defense+battlecruisers. Block the choke with a supply+rax, make a bunker behind the supply, second supply where the rax was, thirs supply, if necessary, near the second, to complete the block. Make a factory with addon, make marines meanwhile. In the end you will have a row of supplies, followed by a row of bunkers and some siege tanks behind. Then go battlecruisers. Because of this defense, any ground atack won't work. Melee units will be delayed by the supplies and will fall to the marines in bunker and siege tanks. Ranged units will have to be clustered to atack the tanks. This blocking is verry effective against everything except all-in mutas. When you have a critical mass of battlecruisers simply 1a and it's gg.

On March 17 2009 04:15 ted. wrote:
Idra PLEASE play him and handle the kid. I don't even play terran as my main race I mainly random, or protoss on serious bgh games or p or z on hunters and I steamrolled surfer 11 v 12 tvt BGH. He tried to bunker me in but i went 8 rax and raped him then (knowing he was going to mass mm as he always does) i put down 2 rax got 2 bunkers outside him and got marine range asap and a few scvs waiting to repair, meanwhile making 2 factories to get tanks off, he tried a few times to break my bunkers but it was epic failure, just suiciding rines left and right. Then I jsut got tons of tanks off and ripped him super ez.

Please Idra I beg you, play him, he always is talking about how hard his terran owns your etc on bghers.com (he actually thinks it does). He will watch a rep of you not realizing you are playing vs. players 10x the skill of anyone surfer has ever dreamed of playing and sees you lose a few marines so he concludes that he is genuinely better than you at terran.

Please please pelase just give him a few games and humiliate him. He will mass mm even if you are at 11 and he is at 5.

I say fuck the malini/surfer showmatch (already happened, and was really boring) and we watch idra eat the "#1 hunters/bgh T USA's" soul.

If not bgh then hunters, actually surfer claims he quit playing 1v1 bgh so i guess it will have to be 1v1 hunters, which is is still the #1 T USA at.

On March 17 2009 05:00 Boblion wrote:
Someone can upload the replays of insane vs surfer please ?
I want to laugh

On March 17 2009 05:22 Boblion wrote:
Thank you.
I liked how you played the 3v3 ( and i hated Testie because he made you lose the 2v2 ) during the showmatch vs the Korean bw site.
Your macro seemed solid ^^

On March 16 2009 16:09 WildRed wrote:
At 3 the bottom of the protoss base can be tanked from the 5 base and one gas/any buildings below that gas killed. Both the 3 and the 9 nats can be tanked from behind. I don't really see a big difference between the TvP and PvT at 3v9, it's about the same. There is more buildable/more easily buildable areas at the 3 base, which is more helpful for P.

Assuming equal caliber players I'd say T wins 60% of the time, but at very high levels, T wins 75+% of the time. Protoss can do a lot of cheesy/tricky things on BGH, from breaking the wall with power goon build to dual dt/reaver drops etc, because there's 2 gasses really fast. The faster mineral income also allows for faster macro and legs and all that. A patient, steady terran can basically stop anything P can throw at him, forcing P to go carriers a lot of the time. Of course, on BGH, BO's are not as defined as they are on low money, where you have BO's going into the hundreds of pop and very specific times to make things based on number of probes etc; since BGH is never really played at that kind of level nobody has ever really been that detailed about the optimal BGH macro build, or dt build, or whatever.

On March 17 2009 05:32 Boblion wrote:
lol Testie shouldn't have played terran in a 2v2 and get contained by photons
Especially because his best race is P ( imo )

On March 17 2009 09:40 MYM.Testie wrote:


Don't be retarded.
If Mondragon were protoss that shit never would have happened.
Don't blame me for shitty allies.

On March 17 2009 09:40 MYM.Testie wrote:


Don't be retarded.
If Mondragon were protoss that shit never would have happened.
Don't blame me for shitty allies.

On March 17 2009 09:39 intrigue wrote:
just imagine a big terran push with upgrades where 1. the toss has very, very limited flanking options and 2. the terran has cliffs to abuse, including ones that can hit naturals and even mains (the corner bases)

as for wildred, previously banned user policy
i must say he is a pleasant fellow to play with on bnet though!

On March 16 2009 23:33 fuckyoufaggot wrote:
random korean = luke, listen here faggot and this is for the record.. ur fuckin a short midet, compared to me.. im 5'10-5'11, im not tall enough 2 b a model ?? rofl, bitch ur an idiot, first of all, when we smoked cigarrettes outside.. u never ONCE.. said anything harsh at all to me, u asked me why do i bm online, and my answer was because i simply can, u never said shit about" hey if u dont stop bming " im going to have to punch ur face in.. ur a scared little bitch man, u talk shit online but in real life, u dont got the balls to get knocked in the face. u got the balls give me ur phone number again cause i didnt save it we can go 1v1, and then post reps on here and youtube. what do u say ?? ok no ?? then stfu period and keep my mouth out your name little boy, u aint paying for shit with your schooling boy', ur parents are paying everything - u dont got no job.

i doubt u got the balls to give me ur #.. what i really cant belive is how are u going to come at me with saying " o i hate how hes bm and its in real life ect.. " when u in fact were like on my fuckin jock.. u 2sided son of a bitch faggot. constantly bumming cigarettes off me because u cant afford none - you broke joke.

and 2 IDRA.. kid ur nothing
u obvsiouly got 2 much fame and glory for u 2 b declared the best T in usa ?? ROFL.. kid my mm is x2 urs .. remember that game we had on luna a while back.. i didnt even know what race u played.. this was on west in op tl.. we played luna tvp, and ur shit got raped gg 11 mins..

dude look congrats with all your fame but, seriously u need to watch some of my hunters reps, im mm is way more advanced / cordinated than yours.. yosh has better mm control then u definitely.. iM not trying to get u down at all man, seriously im not hateing.. but tvt hunters match woudlnt hurt anything me and u.. u down ? bo3.. since ur so busy --;


O AND 1 LAST THING --

yeha luke, thanks for smurfing last night u faggot on p_j_h

4-2 last night guys, and i kept the best rep .. which was a 25 min tvt.. this kid lost 3-0 tvt, rofl


its posted on bghers.com @
http://bghers.com/node/264

and hr)insane..
yeah we'd b glad to play u guys 2v2.. bgh just msg.. i said u are the #1 bgh player.. from seeing some more of your reps.. its pretty clear.. id like to 1v1 u again without u smurfing and then telling me later o this is malini.. that was pretty bm. so next time try to not hide yourself, because its kind weak.