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Whoa there. Some nobody wants to commentate for Starcraft? You must be the 3,000th person to want to do this.
Before I even ask, I know such a statement merits a lecture on all sorts of things from knowing the game inside and out, the competition that this field has, and, well, the fact that I truly don't have any sort of a name for myself whatsoever.
The fact is, I've been a quiet observer and casual Starcraft player for years now.
But now that GOMTV has found a market for English commentators, I'd at least like to give it a shot. It's probably something about the size of a BB gun, where as someone like Tasteless is wielding a rocket launcher, but a shot nonetheless.
So, as for my question: Where do I start?
edit: I already exchanged a couple of e-mails with Tasteless, of which he sort of blew me off. I don't know if I just rubbed him the wrong way or he's kind of an elitist, but I think one way to start is to follow his footsteps.
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Calgary25990 Posts
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Tasteless fell into it really, there's probably no advice he can give you even if he wanted to.
If you want to be a Starcraft commentator register a youtube account. That's about the best advice that can be given. If you believe there's something that separates you from the rest then start getting it out there. The community has shown they aren't shy about championing their favorites commentators
If you want a serious career in broadcasting, you might want to look into broadcasting school.
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On September 30 2008 07:38 Chill wrote:You know, as much as I hate to do this, SC2GG is better than us at this, so I'll recommend you read a few threads over there. This one is particularly good: http://sc2gg.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1834And this has a little bit of information: http://sc2gg.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2477I still believe teamliquid has a better community which is why I'm hesitant to turn you loose, but SC2GG is really much better at proliferating commentaries.
I want to have your baby.
And it's not like I'm leaving the TL community, or that I was here to begin with. I've been lurking for quite a bit. Of course, I found gg.net before I found TL or SC2GG, so I'm kind of set with them, actually.
But seriously, that is a fantastic point to start at. Thanks a lot.
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Calgary25990 Posts
Tasteless was sucessful because he was the first with passion. He "blew you off" because many people have pipe dreams they never act on, and after hearing it for the billionth time, you stop giving out meaningful advise because the effort-reward ratio is way off. If you want to follow in Tasteless' footsteps, spend 4 years as an amatuer caster traveling the United States, then eventually you will pick up momentum and get sent to events, and then eventually you can secure a contract.
But before you try, do you understand StarCraft fundamentals? If not, learn the game first.
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On September 30 2008 07:58 VorcePA wrote:Of course, I found gg.net before I found TL or SC2GG, so I'm kind of set with them, actually. -_- That's just mean.
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GG.net can't satisfy you like Chill TL can!
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On September 30 2008 07:59 Chill wrote:
But before you try, do you understand StarCraft fundamentals? If not, learn the game first.
I think I do. I learned quite a bit just from listening to Tasteless. My game improved, but I have never, ever, *ever* competed. As a Terran player, I know that as a general rule there's heavy use of drop ships in TvT, you almost always go heavy metal vs. protoss, Marines&Medics are what you use most of the time vs. zerg, but I have seen successful heavy metal vs. zerg.
I mean, of course there's more, but I think I understand the fundamentals of Starcraft. What I have yet to understand is the timing push. It's part of the reason why I lose on ICCup so often; that, and the fact that I've never broken 130 APM. =\
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On September 30 2008 08:09 VorcePA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 07:59 Chill wrote:
But before you try, do you understand StarCraft fundamentals? If not, learn the game first. I think I do. I learned quite a bit just from listening to Tasteless. My game improved, but I have never, ever, *ever* competed. As a Terran player, I know that as a general rule there's heavy use of drop ships in TvT, you almost always go heavy metal vs. protoss, Marines&Medics are what you use most of the time vs. zerg, but I have seen successful heavy metal vs. zerg. I mean, of course there's more, but I think I understand the fundamentals of Starcraft. What I have yet to understand is the timing push. It's part of the reason why I lose on ICCup so often; that, and the fact that I've never broken 130 APM. =\
It really sounds like you don't know much about the game. While tasteless may know a lot about protoss, he's not the most knowledgeable about the other races, and even his knowledge of protoss doesn't show too much in his casts. So if you learned about the game from watching him, you don't know nearly enough.
Because he casts solo, he doesn't go into as much strategic detail and explanations as the Korean casters can. It works much better with multiple casters, when one takes that as his primary role.
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O God. I don't know man. What makes you think you should be commentating? I mean, I can play guitar at a grade 1 level, I don't put up Youtube videos of myself playing because no one wants to see that. So unless you are some sort of savant (amazing voice, incredible talent for the game) I don't see what qualifies you to explain the game to other people if you can't compete at it yourself and you haven't studied it.
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On September 30 2008 08:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 08:09 VorcePA wrote:On September 30 2008 07:59 Chill wrote:
But before you try, do you understand StarCraft fundamentals? If not, learn the game first. I think I do. I learned quite a bit just from listening to Tasteless. My game improved, but I have never, ever, *ever* competed. As a Terran player, I know that as a general rule there's heavy use of drop ships in TvT, you almost always go heavy metal vs. protoss, Marines&Medics are what you use most of the time vs. zerg, but I have seen successful heavy metal vs. zerg. I mean, of course there's more, but I think I understand the fundamentals of Starcraft. What I have yet to understand is the timing push. It's part of the reason why I lose on ICCup so often; that, and the fact that I've never broken 130 APM. =\ It really sounds like you don't know much about the game. While tasteless may know a lot about protoss, he's not the most knowledgeable about the other races, and even his knowledge of protoss doesn't show too much in his casts. So if you learned about the game from watching him, you don't know nearly enough. Because he casts solo, he doesn't go into as much strategic detail and explanations as the Korean casters can. It works much better with multiple casters, when one takes that as his primary role.
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On September 30 2008 08:09 VorcePA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 07:59 Chill wrote:
But before you try, do you understand StarCraft fundamentals? If not, learn the game first. I think I do. I learned quite a bit just from listening to Tasteless. My game improved, but I have never, ever, *ever* competed. As a Terran player, I know that as a general rule there's heavy use of drop ships in TvT, you almost always go heavy metal vs. protoss, Marines&Medics are what you use most of the time vs. zerg, but I have seen successful heavy metal vs. zerg. I mean, of course there's more, but I think I understand the fundamentals of Starcraft. What I have yet to understand is the timing push. It's part of the reason why I lose on ICCup so often; that, and the fact that I've never broken 130 APM. =\
Tasteless misses a lot of what's going on strategically with the other races, almost to the point where it's hard to watch. But, He has a great personality, passion for SC, and experience/reputation. In my opinion, strategically, for the Foreign scene to expand and grow, we need more commentators like Artosis and Chill, who actually understand what's happening, and can articulate it properly.
To be honest, you sound like a D- or D. And that's not me insulting you in anyway, but to gain an audience with experienced and passionate SC players, you need a higher rank so you can understand what's going on. As chill said, you can learn the ABSOLUTE basics, go to sc2gg and start commentating for all the people who are totally new to SC. But to match-up with Tasteless, Chill, Artosis, etc.. You need a great understanding of all the matchups, a lot of personal experience in SC, and an interesting personality.
I don't mean to break any dreams though.. =o
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On September 30 2008 09:13 Chill wrote:
O God. I don't know man. What makes you think you should be commentating? I mean, I can play guitar at a grade 1 level, I don't put up Youtube videos of myself playing because no one wants to see that. So unless you are some sort of savant (amazing voice, incredible talent for the game) I don't see what qualifies you to explain the game to other people if you can't compete at it yourself and you haven't studied it.
This man speaks truth.
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Hmmm I dont know where most of you are getting your Tasteless commentary from but I think he is very well strategically versed. I mean of course it is not all he concentrates on since he has to do all if by himself, but he understands the basic BO and flow of every matchup for every race. I see what your saying here, but I myself find "over analyzing" is often worse than not knowing everything about everything.
To the OP: I would try and do one if I were you, post it here and see what everyone thinks. From what you have posted it doesnt sound like your bag, but it can never hurt right?
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On September 30 2008 09:13 Chill wrote:
O God. I don't know man. What makes you think you should be commentating? I mean, I can play guitar at a grade 1 level, I don't put up Youtube videos of myself playing because no one wants to see that. So unless you are some sort of savant (amazing voice, incredible talent for the game) I don't see what qualifies you to explain the game to other people if you can't compete at it yourself and you haven't studied it. let's see you playing guitar chill, i'm curious
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On September 30 2008 08:00 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 07:58 VorcePA wrote:On September 30 2008 07:38 Chill wrote:You know, as much as I hate to do this, SC2GG is better than us at this, so I'll recommend you read a few threads over there. This one is particularly good: http://sc2gg.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1834And this has a little bit of information: http://sc2gg.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2477I still believe teamliquid has a better community which is why I'm hesitant to turn you loose, but SC2GG is really much better at proliferating commentaries. Of course, I found gg.net before I found TL or SC2GG, so I'm kind of set with them, actually. -_- That's just mean.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I used to be a full gg.net user... until I realized that TL owns them in every conceivable way. Don't worry, you'll find out the true power of TL, and you will have no choice but to submit to its glory!
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Well, regardless of my current understanding of starcraft, or my rating, or anything else, Chill did the unspeakable and gave me links to get going, so... here's to giving it a shot. *takes a shot*
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Braavos36388 Posts
i listened to one of your casts and to be brutally honest you have a long way to go. your flow isn't there, you don't say anything particularly interesting and your casting voice and style are average at best. you also lack understanding of the game pretty badly but you can improve that part at least. i'm not saying you can't be a good caster someday after a lot of practice, because you can, but dreaming of "following in tasteless footsteps" is setting a goal that frankly is impossible for you. i'd take it one step at a time and see how it goes.
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