EPT2008-2009 football(soccer) thread - Page 57
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Z.Kw
China297 Posts
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TopGear
United Kingdom796 Posts
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On March 12 2009 20:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Manu didnt dominate or play amazingly well. Inter tried but u could just see how they simply were not good enough and viable enough.. Still: This game could have ended differently and yes I think Manu was lucky or Inter was unlucky to not have scored two goals. That doesnt mean I think Manu didnt deserve it or wasnt the better team... lol, I'm starting to wonder if you watched the game as well. Man U dominated posessions in both halves. Inter would have little bursts of posession followed by shitty decision making or just wide shots. Sure Adriano and Zlatan hit the post, but I would only say that Adriano's shot was the only unlucky one in the game. However, O'Shea also missed a point blank one on one with the keeper as well as Berbatov also having a point blank shot and again Cesar making a brilliant save. So if you want to technically count all the chances by both sides that "should" have gone in.. it was at least 4-1. Take your pick. Btw I believe overall posession was 57% - 43%. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
how you come to the conclusion that of the chances that 'should' have a gone in Inter only gets 1 is beyond me 2 times ball to the post and a very close shot from Zlatan.. I know this happens all the time and I dont know what your problem is All I'm saying is: Manu didnt play exceptionally well. They can play better than this. And in my opinion total domination is something else. Dont mix this up with '' didnt deserve to win '' Manu was the better team but they had the luck on their side as well and profited from Inter not being capable of playing a proper offensive soccer.. Thats all.. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
Inter was the one with the most posession from what i seen or if they had less posession, were the one who used it and exploit it the most. Even the commentators were saying Inter were better. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On March 13 2009 02:51 ilj.psa wrote: imo it should had ended 1-1 Inter was the one with the most posession from what i seen or if they had less posession, were the one who used it and exploit it the most. Even the commentators were saying Inter were better. Which commentators, wtf??? The commentators I watched never once said Inter was better and pretty much just bashed on Zlatan for being over rated. I can't even begin to imagine how you believe that game should have ended 1-1 either, and based off some of your other posts in this thread don't bother explaining your rationale. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On March 13 2009 02:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote: which is marginal for a soccer game and not really that important.. how you come to the conclusion that of the chances that 'should' have a gone in Inter only gets 1 is beyond me 2 times ball to the post and a very close shot from Zlatan.. I know this happens all the time and I dont know what your problem is All I'm saying is: Manu didnt play exceptionally well. They can play better than this. And in my opinion total domination is something else. Dont mix this up with '' didnt deserve to win '' Manu was the better team but they had the luck on their side as well and profited from Inter not being capable of playing a proper offensive soccer.. Thats all.. The first header by Zlatan was basically him just miss hitting and it still hitting the post, I would hardly call that a sure oppurtunity for a goal, other than that what else did they have? One prayer shot from Stakovic that went wide? I'm not saying Man U played exceptional either all i'm saying is that they did better than you are giving them credit for. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
United didn't look much better than Inter in the 2nd leg, but they're players showed class when it mattered. Wayne Rooney's cross for the 2nd goal was awesome. The game in general was of a pretty decent quality. Arsenal aren't a good team at the moment, their struggles in the EPL shows this. The Arsenal-Roma game was just a really bad game. Watching extra-time was painful, it's like they were taking it turns to give the ball away. They're talking about bringing in a system where they do the penalties BEFORE extra-time. When the penalties finish you go into extra time... if it's a draw then the team that won the penalties goes through. That way you force one team to be attacking during extra-time and just generally make it more exciting. At this moment 6-7 teams have a decent shot of winning the CL, it's so hard to predict. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On March 13 2009 03:01 kidd wrote: Which commentators, wtf??? The commentators I watched never once said Inter was better and pretty much just bashed on Zlatan for being over rated. I can't even begin to imagine how you believe that game should have ended 1-1 either, and based off some of your other posts in this thread don't bother explaining your rationale. lol those ESPN commentators don't know shit you can see their biase towards EPL teams , i bet they still think Ronaldo is the best in the world LOL. They kept saying Zlatan disappeared in the big games when they didn't realize the labors he was doing,he helped in the midfield and set up some players for goals. He was the most commited Inter player imo. Just because he couldn't score a goal doesn't mean he "dissapeared" Fox sports and ESPND were saying Inter was the better team or it should had ended in a draw but w/e I still think the 0-2 was unfair, Man. U deserved to go through overall but I saw both teams equally the 2nd leg. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On March 12 2009 17:53 UbRi wrote: there's been some kind of a curse after winning 2006 world cup for italy, almost everything went wrong after then. Starting from the penalty shotout vs Spain, then Calciopoli played a big part in making England > Italy, and in 2007 italian teams faced 2 english teams in the first knockout phase, and one in the 2nd. This year 3 english teams in the 1st knockout phase, and we lost all matches giving some fight, losing 1 penalty shotout. I know that Italian footbal now is below English football, but 3-0 i think it's pretty unlucky if you look at the story of all matches Italian football is NOT inferior to english football. Premier League is superior to Serie A at the moment, but that is due to rich, gloating americans and russians. Premier League is, however, not very english at all; sure, it's played on english ground, but just look at it: Take a look at the coaches of the Big 4; Hiddink, Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson. One from Holland, one from Spain, one from France and one from Scotland. Take a look at the players; last seasons top scorers for example. Top 10 was Ronaldo, Adebayor, Torres, Santa Cruz, Benjani, Berbatov, Keane, Yakubu, Tevez and Carew. Not a single englishman in the top 10. Take a look at club owners; Pool; american. United; american. Chelsea; russian. Take a look at their national team; they failed to even reach Euro 2008, and after that they decided it was time to get help from the best (Italy) by giving Capello the job as coach. The difference between Serie A and Premier league is only because of money. For instance; the United-players that scored against Roma in last years CL costed more than all the players Roma bought during the last four seasons. Without the money, PL would be inferior to Serie A. I hate the fact that Darren Bent earns more money than Totti (!). It makes me sick. There has been a lot of talk about nasty americans wanting to buy Roma lately. I pray to (the unexisting) god that it doesn't happen. I don't want Roma to become a whore like Chelsea (for example). I don't want a foreign manager. I don't want an Abramovitch, Glazer or Hicks to own Roma. I don't want Romas bandiera to be foreign. I don't want to buy our trophies. I have never been as proud to be a Romanista as when the only thing I heard from my TV when Roma was losing at Old Trafford two seasons ago was the Roma supporters singing ''Roma Roma Roma''. 3000 romanisti outsang the 70 000 United supporters at Old Trafford. While being down 7-1. That's passion. Football in England is really losing it's soul. Anyways, it was really sad to see Totti after the game yesterday. You could just tell how much it would've meant to him to advance; to reach the final and win the CL-trophy in Rome.  He's one of the absolutely best players of his generation, and winning CL is pretty much the only thing he's got left to do in his career. Grande Totti! Forza Roma! | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
On March 13 2009 03:15 Klive5ive wrote: They're talking about bringing in a system where they do the penalties BEFORE extra-time. When the penalties finish you go into extra time... if it's a draw then the team that won the penalties goes through. That way you force one team to be attacking during extra-time and just generally make it more exciting. At this moment 6-7 teams have a decent shot of winning the CL, it's so hard to predict. soooo fucking good, best idea for extra time I have heard seriously!!! On March 13 2009 02:51 ilj.psa wrote: Fox sports and ESPND were saying Inter was the better team or it should had ended in a draw but w/e I still think the 0-2 was unfair, Man. U deserved to go through overall but I saw both teams equally the 2nd leg. @ ilj.psa you seem to be a little biased I mean what is united supposed to do when they are ahead 2-0 and there are only 40 minuts left on the clock? that's right: don't go all devensive, don't go all offensive, just play it cool and you will win - that's exactly what they needed to do I am no united fan, but seriously based on THAT 2nd leg saying the game should have ended in a draw.... the only time you can argue that this game deserved to be a draw (you can only talk of "deserve") is when Inter hit 203948234 the post or sth like this | ||
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IDWIJNI-
Mexico332 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
Spalleti, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Prandelli, Gasperini, Raineri to name a few of them | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On March 13 2009 04:40 Holgerius wrote: Italian football is NOT inferior to english football. Premier League is superior to Serie A at the moment, but that is due to rich, gloating americans and russians. Premier League is, however, not very english at all; sure, it's played on english ground, but just look at it: Take a look at the coaches of the Big 4; Hiddink, Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson. One from Holland, one from Spain, one from France and one from Scotland. Take a look at the players; last seasons top scorers for example. Top 10 was Ronaldo, Adebayor, Torres, Santa Cruz, Benjani, Berbatov, Keane, Yakubu, Tevez and Carew. Not a single englishman in the top 10. Take a look at club owners; Pool; american. United; american. Chelsea; russian. Take a look at their national team; they failed to even reach Euro 2008, and after that they decided it was time to get help from the best (Italy) by giving Capello the job as coach. The difference between Serie A and Premier league is only because of money. For instance; the United-players that scored against Roma in last years CL costed more than all the players Roma bought during the last four seasons. Without the money, PL would be inferior to Serie A. I hate the fact that Darren Bent earns more money than Totti (!). It makes me sick. There has been a lot of talk about nasty americans wanting to buy Roma lately. I pray to (the unexisting) god that it doesn't happen. I don't want Roma to become a whore like Chelsea (for example). I don't want a foreign manager. I don't want an Abramovitch, Glazer or Hicks to own Roma. I don't want Romas bandiera to be foreign. I don't want to buy our trophies. I have never been as proud to be a Romanista as when the only thing I heard from my TV when Roma was losing at Old Trafford two seasons ago was the Roma supporters singing ''Roma Roma Roma''. 3000 romanisti outsang the 70 000 United supporters at Old Trafford. While being down 7-1. That's passion. Football in England is really losing it's soul. Anyways, it was really sad to see Totti after the game yesterday. You could just tell how much it would've meant to him to advance; to reach the final and win the CL-trophy in Rome. He's one of the absolutely best players of his generation, and winning CL is pretty much the only thing he's got left to do in his career. Grande Totti! Forza Roma! Ok, so basically you are making the point that the EPL sucks because it has a lot of money and the Italian league is better because only Italians play in it? Lets take a look shall we? Number 1 team in Italy - Inter. Please tell me how many of their starting lineup is actually from Italy (is there a single one, and no the Ghanian Mario Bodatelli does not count). I mean sure the EPL has a lot of money to be able to afford great talents and have a group of teams that are really good and not just 1 or 2 like most other leagues but why does that even matter. It produces great match-ups and you get see alot of diverse players from different countries. You think that the Serie A is any different (look at the top 3 teams). Your next point is that the English players themselves are bad even though the EPL is the greastest league (only because of money). Sure, England underpreforms but we are talking about clubs here and not the national team. If you actually watch the EPL there are teams that do not have tons of cash and still produce great results such as Aston Villa and Everton who I would pick to give Roma a good match everytime they play against each other. The sooner you realize that football is now more a business (unfortunately) than a sport you can get your head of the clouds and not talk about "dirty americans" coming in to buy your favored team. Also if you have a hatred for money maybe you should share some of that hate with Spain because last I heard they spend quite a bit of money on their players as well. | ||
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IDWIJNI-
Mexico332 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
IDWI, I do see your point but to me there is usually a major improvement with the clubs that are bought by rich owners (Manchester City being the exception for now). I'm not saying I agree with the monopolization of football, I'm just saying that because of the business aspect of the game it is bound to happen. Just accept it and cheer on your team whether an American or Russian or Italian owns it. | ||
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On March 13 2009 05:40 kidd wrote: Ok, so basically you are making the point that the EPL sucks because it has a lot of money and the Italian league is better because only Italians play in it? Lets take a look shall we? Number 1 team in Italy - Inter. Please tell me how many of their starting lineup is actually from Italy (is there a single one, and no the Ghanian Mario Bodatelli does not count). I mean sure the EPL has a lot of money to be able to afford great talents and have a group of teams that are really good and not just 1 or 2 like most other leagues but why does that even matter. It produces great match-ups and you get see alot of diverse players from different countries. You think that the Serie A is any different (look at the top 3 teams). Your next point is that the English players themselves are bad even though the EPL is the greastest league (only because of money). Sure, England underpreforms but we are talking about clubs here and not the national team. If you actually watch the EPL there are teams that do not have tons of cash and still produce great results such as Aston Villa and Everton who I would pick to give Roma a good match everytime they play against each other. The sooner you realize that football is now more a business (unfortunately) than a sport you can get your head of the clouds and not talk about "dirty americans" coming in to buy your favored team. Also if you have a hatred for money maybe you should share some of that hate with Spain because last I heard they spend quite a bit of money on their players as well. Agreed about Inter, and I do indeed consider Inter to be a dirty team with little honor. But if we look past them, Serie A isn't nearly as fucked up as Premier League is. Let's look at some stats as evidence. Goal.com recently had an article about foreign players in Serie A and PL. The looked at how many foreign players started for each team. The Big 4 in PL had 37/44 foreigners. WTH? How is that even possible? Serie A had 27/44. Quite high, but still a huge difference. The percentage of the entire league was 57% vs 40%. They also looked at the coaches. 50% were foreign in PL whereas only 5% were in Serie A. Major fucking difference. Most italian top teams do indeed feel very italian. A quite normal starting XI for Milan can include Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Nesta, Gattusso, Ambro, Inzaghi and Pirlo. Lots of italian blood. Add to that an italian manager and an italian owner. Juventus can have have Buffon, Chiellini, Del Piero, Molinaro, Marchisio, Iaquinta, Giovinco and Camoranesi in a normal starting XI. Add to that an italian manager and an italian owner. Roma often uses Motta, Panucci, Tonetto, Brighi, De Rossi, Aquilani and Totti in their starting XI. Add to that an italian manager and an italian owner. Romas previous owner, Sensi (born in Rome), was a man who injected his entire heart and soul into Roma, and when he died last year his daughter took over. Several Roma players carried his casket at the funeral. Compare that to the owners of the top teams in PL. All in all, surely you must see the HUGE difference. And I do indeed realize that football is a business but it's an evolution I dislike very much, and PL is spearheading that evolution. Il Calcio may be slumping at the moment, but the passion will always be there. And spanish football is way more awesome than english. Barca are super rich, yes, but they still have a solid chunk of home grown talent that they base their team on such as Valdes, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Pique and Bojan and they have a Barca icon as a coach. Valencia has like half the spanish national team (Marchena, Albiol, Villa, Silva). Real Madrid can go to hell, but in general, spanish football is great. Athletic Bilbao for instance only allow players from their region to play for their team, and they still have never been knocked out of the top flight. This season Etxeberia (have no idea how to spell his name) is playing for them for free. Talk about soul, man. Forza Roma! | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
And seriously 37/44 vs 27/44 is only a differnece of ten players dude, it's not really that big of a difference. Be honest also, don't you enjoy watching players like juan, riise (man of the match IMO from last champions league game) Julio baptista, and arguebly Romas best forward Vuccinic. Without these players slow, old, Totti has no one to play the ball too with his little tricks | ||
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