Why is this not the theme song of McCain's campaign yet?
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Mindcrime
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Why is this not the theme song of McCain's campaign yet? | ||
fusionsdf
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On August 26 2008 06:53 a-game wrote: you know, the edwards scandal was so similar to what mccain did in his first marriage, i really don't understand why the media barely mentioned mccain in that context. i mean mccain found a new girl while still in wedlock with his health disabled wife. edwards found a new girl while still in wedlock to his health disabled wife. yet they never really mentioned mccain's similar story and i bet there's a huge percentage of the public that have no idea mccain pulled a john edwards back in the day screw affairs and marital infedility where is the news on the keating scandal? | ||
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Jibba
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They started a band with 4 other kids from the foster home and hit it big, until Keating derailed everything out of greed and jealousy. | ||
Mindcrime
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Jibba
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EDIT: Ok I think this is going on too long now. OMFG TEARS | ||
fusionsdf
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her speech wasnt that good it was pretty well done though, it should help him, even if only a little bit | ||
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michelle gave a speech, and there was a woman in the audience crying at least Im assuming that what jibba was referring too | ||
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Jibba
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There were a lot of parts that were pretty cliche, but a few nice emotional points too. | ||
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Kaesi
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On August 26 2008 05:14 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: Kaesi wrote: "The fact that anyone can fall in line with the Neo-con movement is incredible. It really is. In the 1950's I could see it happening, but in today's world? With the Internet? It's appalling. Not that liberalism is the salvation. But holy hell, neo-con philosophy is beyond retarded. Why don't we just sell our country to Lockheed Martin, Exxon, and the Fed already?" Perhaps you know more than you reveal [indeed, you dont make an argument just an assertion and so perhaps this post is way overboard but maybe you and others will find it informative. It was because of my disagreements with neo-cons that I did a little reading on them and what I found suprised me.]-- but the above quote demonstrates a real and I think important lack of knowledge on your part. Understanding the roots of neo-conservative thought is for your own good. I assume you are more left-leaning and as a result you should probably understand the congruences between your position and the neo-cons before you call them retarted. The neo-conservative movement was developed by a group of New York, Jewish, Ex-Communist intellectuals. The neo-cons agree with the communists/socilialists // democratic socialists (ie., those who don't advocate a violent worker revolution) that promoting "the greater good" "common good" etc etc. is the goal of the government. However, as communism failed again and again around the world (that doesn't mean it can't ever work) these socialists began to draw new conclusions. That is, they began to think that something was wrong at the very foundation of their political philosophy (probably based on the inability to restrict self-interset). They saw the relative prosperity in market based economies and the relative poverty of state-controlled markets. Perhaps their analysis was premature, but when they looked at the facts presenting themselves around the world they decided to shift their views. The new view was one that advocated capitalism only as much as their economists and analysts tell them is good for economic growth//common good. They are not advocates of laissez-faire. They agree with Marx's arguments on the accumulation of capital .They don't think that self-interset is a "good" thing. They are pragmatists through and through who beleive the free-market should be used only because of its social value. They are collectivists. They beleive positive (ie., literal not merely negative-obligatory) moral values can (and possibly should) be asserted by the government -- which anyone who argues for the redistrubution of wealth by force implicitly accepts. Your criticism -- a marxist shot [ie., monopoly/explotation] would be better leveled at libertarians or conservatives that fall under the milton friedman type. TO me, Neo-con is code for the military-industrial complex. Don't buy into the propaganda of what they claim is their philosophy. That doesn't matter to me. What does matter is how their actual foreign policy/fiscal policy is run. That speaks much louder to me than what they claim to believe. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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Maybe I am just paranoid, but I'm sure Karl Rove isn't just sitting on the side line. | ||
lOvOlUNiMEDiA
United States643 Posts
"TO me, Neo-con is code for the military-industrial complex. Don't buy into the propaganda of what they claim is their philosophy. That doesn't matter to me. What does matter is how their actual foreign policy/fiscal policy is run. That speaks much louder to me than what they claim to believe." A prelimenary remark: You don't define propaganda, but I assume you mean the something like:: The assertion of a proposition (possibly through a medium) meant to emotionally persaude its viewer to action which purposefully omits relevant facts that might disuade that same viewer. I don't know what "propaganda" you are referring too. I'm not a neo-conservative. I don't read current neo-conservative articles. What I do know is what the philosophy of the neo-conservatives is. If you think that a intelligent left would let the neo-cons get away with blatant contradictions in their own political philosophy then you are implicitly claiming that the entire political-left has been swept away in the neo-cons propoganda while you remain quite un-affected by it. A bold claim. Rather, any of the policies that Neo-Conservatives advocate -- that is, hope to present to the executive or legislatve branches for consideration -- are tied to the fundamentals of the position. The Iraq war, for example, is TOTALLY consistent with neo-conservative philosophy. It was argued for by neo-conservatives and in reference to their philosophic foundations. More specifically --Your post includes the statement "What does matter is how their actual foreign policy is run" Who are you claiming is a "Neo-Con" ? So -- which particular self-procalimed neo-cons are you referring to -- that is, which of them is responsible for how "their actual policy is run." And I want to know what policies you are referring to -- specific bills if you have the time to mention them. Are you saying that the term neo-conservative is synonymous with the term "a member/believer in the military industrial complex"? You can't really make that claim coherently if you also beleive that the military-industrial complex has been around before the early 1970s -- It was in the late 1960s that that the term neo-conservative first hit the intellectual scene. But, regardless, why use the term neo-con if you are not opposed to what the term denotes --- that is, their explicit philosophy. Why not instead argue that the military-industrial complex is bad and that the neo-cons preach one thing but are actually simply concealing the MIC? | ||
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/mccain.strategy/index.html#cnnSTCVideo | ||
lOvOlUNiMEDiA
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