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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
August 27 2008 06:20 GMT
#341
I really have no idea why people watch these things. Here and there you have a good speech, but as a whole, the convention doesn't bring about anything new. Even the VP announcement is made before the convention nowadays. But I guess people need their "catharsis". Myself, I'm like that guy from 'metropolitan'. I'll read the reviews tomorrow morn' and it will have saved me probably an hour of time.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-27 06:23:38
August 27 2008 06:23 GMT
#342
On August 27 2008 14:59 fight_or_flight wrote:
So I saw an article that says McCain is higher in the polls right now than Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

Am I missing something? I've never met anyone, online or in real life, that supports him.

Probably because you don't interact with older people or you live in a very liberal area. But if you want an accurate representation of poll results, check out pollster.com. It aggregates all the poll results to give you a more accurate result. Also has a really nice interface for projecting state-by-state results. Obama is leading in electoral votes so far =).

Also, a good site for polls about the issues is pollingreport.com. Great for meaningful analysis.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
August 27 2008 06:36 GMT
#343
I was surprised that both Gallup and Rasmussen polls showed Obama's numbers since the Biden pick have actually gone down. Normally there's a bounce on the order of 5%, not a loss of 3%. Analysis seems to be that Clinton supporters were holding out hope that she would be the pick and are now crying that they won't vote for Obama in November. In other words it's not a shift of increasing support to McCain but a decline in support for Obama among otherwise Democratic voters.

That's why the DNC is all about, as Dave Barry put it, "A Unified Party, United in Unity Together As One, Undivided.''
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
August 27 2008 07:23 GMT
#344
The same thing happened with Kerry in '04. One theory has been that the bump is a result of people tuning in for the first time as a result of the convention/VP announcement. The reason the bump is less this time around is because people have already been tuned in. At least that's my guess. Also, like I said, individual polls are really poor indicators of performance overall. I really recommend pollster.com for a good aggregate, although they haven't updated for this week yet.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-27 13:02:34
August 27 2008 12:33 GMT
#345
On August 27 2008 14:59 fight_or_flight wrote:
So I saw an article that says McCain is higher in the polls right now than Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

Am I missing something? I've never met anyone, online or in real life, that supports him.

It's a poll of 3,000 people from the "Mid west" who were actually willing to pick up their phone and answer a survey in the evening. Do you know anyone who would do that either?

These polls mean absolutely nothing at this point and I wish people would stop giving them so much credence. They're just flawed in so many ways. Gallup needs to shut the hell up for a while.

CNN is so fucking stupid. Using Giuliani as a commentator is like having Mumyung analyze Jaedong vs. July.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
August 27 2008 13:18 GMT
#346
Apparently many Hillary supporters are just as dumb as Republicans, amazing. Hillary endorses Obama, Obama is by far the closest candidate to Hillary's former platform, and is the one who will allow Hillary to work more effectively in the Senate ...

Actually that is even worse than a Republican, since Republicans might occasionally buy into their own nonsense, and think they are voting on principle. For these Hillary supporters, some weird idea of getting even is more important than principles.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
August 27 2008 13:20 GMT
#347
On August 27 2008 15:20 ahrara_ wrote:
I really have no idea why people watch these things. Here and there you have a good speech, but as a whole, the convention doesn't bring about anything new. Even the VP announcement is made before the convention nowadays. But I guess people need their "catharsis". Myself, I'm like that guy from 'metropolitan'. I'll read the reviews tomorrow morn' and it will have saved me probably an hour of time.


I didn't see the point of watching either <_< I made up my mind ages ago. Only frustration comes from following politicians and pundits.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
August 27 2008 13:52 GMT
#348
On August 27 2008 22:18 Servolisk wrote:
Apparently many Hillary supporters are just as dumb as Republicans, amazing. Hillary endorses Obama, Obama is by far the closest candidate to Hillary's former platform, and is the one who will allow Hillary to work more effectively in the Senate ...

Actually that is even worse than a Republican, since Republicans might occasionally buy into their own nonsense, and think they are voting on principle. For these Hillary supporters, some weird idea of getting even is more important than principles.


It's really amazing how divided the party is cuz of the shit she pulled.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Polls are on the whole, pretty fucking useless, but since this guy compiles a bunch, he at least makes it slightly accurate. I don't care if the sample size is 1,000 every time or whatever, different areas of most states vote entirely different from each other.

Fucking north jersey is primarily liberal as hell, but if I go just an hour south by my shore house, I know of at least 10 or 15 Confederate flags that are hanging proudly in front of homes in a 3 block radius. John Deer, Confederate flags... it's red territory, but since it's so sparsely populated there (something like 70% of the state's population is in the north) it doesn't mean shit.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-27 15:27:16
August 27 2008 15:13 GMT
#349
On August 27 2008 22:52 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 22:18 Servolisk wrote:
Apparently many Hillary supporters are just as dumb as Republicans, amazing. Hillary endorses Obama, Obama is by far the closest candidate to Hillary's former platform, and is the one who will allow Hillary to work more effectively in the Senate ...

Actually that is even worse than a Republican, since Republicans might occasionally buy into their own nonsense, and think they are voting on principle. For these Hillary supporters, some weird idea of getting even is more important than principles.


It's really amazing how divided the party is cuz of the shit she pulled.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Polls are on the whole, pretty fucking useless, but since this guy compiles a bunch, he at least makes it slightly accurate. I don't care if the sample size is 1,000 every time or whatever, different areas of most states vote entirely different from each other.

Fucking north jersey is primarily liberal as hell, but if I go just an hour south by my shore house, I know of at least 10 or 15 Confederate flags that are hanging proudly in front of homes in a 3 block radius. John Deer, Confederate flags... it's red territory, but since it's so sparsely populated there (something like 70% of the state's population is in the north) it doesn't mean shit.

Exactly. The town I'm in voted 73% Kerry, but if you drive 10 minutes you can find a town that went hard Bush. They really serve no useful purpose at this point, unless they release more specific data about the polling method such as ONLY people within a certain township.

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Kaesi
Profile Joined July 2008
United States82 Posts
August 27 2008 15:50 GMT
#350
The media is retarded. There's been no real news since Obama went overseas on his goodwill tour. Yet, they keep churning out the polls day after day as if opinion is actually changing. It's not. Nothing's going to shift noticeably until some real debates and we get about 1 month away from the actual voting time. Most people tuned out once Obama secured the nomination. They're not going to tune back in except for the major events like VP pick, DNC, and then the actual debates. Yet, media goes on and on, every fucking day, talking about it like it's a horse race and they're going thru the final stretch. Media is scum. That's all I can say. (There's a few decent ones).

fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 27 2008 18:22 GMT
#351
On August 27 2008 21:33 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 14:59 fight_or_flight wrote:
So I saw an article that says McCain is higher in the polls right now than Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

Am I missing something? I've never met anyone, online or in real life, that supports him.

It's a poll of 3,000 people from the "Mid west" who were actually willing to pick up their phone and answer a survey in the evening. Do you know anyone who would do that either?

These polls mean absolutely nothing at this point and I wish people would stop giving them so much credence. They're just flawed in so many ways. Gallup needs to shut the hell up for a while.

CNN is so fucking stupid. Using Giuliani as a commentator is like having Mumyung analyze Jaedong vs. July.


fuck cnn, just watch PBS
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
August 27 2008 18:24 GMT
#352
On August 27 2008 22:52 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 22:18 Servolisk wrote:
Apparently many Hillary supporters are just as dumb as Republicans, amazing. Hillary endorses Obama, Obama is by far the closest candidate to Hillary's former platform, and is the one who will allow Hillary to work more effectively in the Senate ...

Actually that is even worse than a Republican, since Republicans might occasionally buy into their own nonsense, and think they are voting on principle. For these Hillary supporters, some weird idea of getting even is more important than principles.


It's really amazing how divided the party is cuz of the shit she pulled.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Polls are on the whole, pretty fucking useless, but since this guy compiles a bunch, he at least makes it slightly accurate. I don't care if the sample size is 1,000 every time or whatever, different areas of most states vote entirely different from each other.

Fucking north jersey is primarily liberal as hell, but if I go just an hour south by my shore house, I know of at least 10 or 15 Confederate flags that are hanging proudly in front of homes in a 3 block radius. John Deer, Confederate flags... it's red territory, but since it's so sparsely populated there (something like 70% of the state's population is in the north) it doesn't mean shit.

I think I'm in love with that site you posted.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 27 2008 21:03 GMT
#353
On August 28 2008 03:22 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 21:33 Jibba wrote:
On August 27 2008 14:59 fight_or_flight wrote:
So I saw an article that says McCain is higher in the polls right now than Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

Am I missing something? I've never met anyone, online or in real life, that supports him.

It's a poll of 3,000 people from the "Mid west" who were actually willing to pick up their phone and answer a survey in the evening. Do you know anyone who would do that either?

These polls mean absolutely nothing at this point and I wish people would stop giving them so much credence. They're just flawed in so many ways. Gallup needs to shut the hell up for a while.

CNN is so fucking stupid. Using Giuliani as a commentator is like having Mumyung analyze Jaedong vs. July.


fuck cnn, just watch PBS

I actually watched CSPAN for the speeches and they were the ones doing all the ugly chick camera shots.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 27 2008 21:06 GMT
#354
yeah I use cspan if I actually want to watch all the speeches (most of them are garbage), but PBS covers a lot and has fairly good analysis, certainly much better than cnn
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
August 27 2008 21:22 GMT
#355
On August 28 2008 03:24 ahrara_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 22:52 Hawk wrote:
On August 27 2008 22:18 Servolisk wrote:
Apparently many Hillary supporters are just as dumb as Republicans, amazing. Hillary endorses Obama, Obama is by far the closest candidate to Hillary's former platform, and is the one who will allow Hillary to work more effectively in the Senate ...

Actually that is even worse than a Republican, since Republicans might occasionally buy into their own nonsense, and think they are voting on principle. For these Hillary supporters, some weird idea of getting even is more important than principles.


It's really amazing how divided the party is cuz of the shit she pulled.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Polls are on the whole, pretty fucking useless, but since this guy compiles a bunch, he at least makes it slightly accurate. I don't care if the sample size is 1,000 every time or whatever, different areas of most states vote entirely different from each other.

Fucking north jersey is primarily liberal as hell, but if I go just an hour south by my shore house, I know of at least 10 or 15 Confederate flags that are hanging proudly in front of homes in a 3 block radius. John Deer, Confederate flags... it's red territory, but since it's so sparsely populated there (something like 70% of the state's population is in the north) it doesn't mean shit.

I think I'm in love with that site you posted.


Yeah, it's actually pretty cool. Like i said, most polls are bs imo, but the way he takes them all and basically assesses their accuracy is neat.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
August 27 2008 21:34 GMT
#356
nice lineup today

daschle, bill clinton, john kerry, bill richardson, joe biden all speaking today
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2008 21:35 GMT
#357
And let's hope they all attack McCain. What the Democrats is a constant rolling barrage of attacks on McCain. There is plenty of stuff to attack him on.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
August 27 2008 22:02 GMT
#358
roll call happening now
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 28 2008 00:32 GMT
#359
I'm not sure if anyone has the balls to say it (Maybe Clark will) but eventually someone needs to point out that McCain missed a critical shift in foreign policy while he was a POW. He is still a war hero, but he was only around for Johnson's disastrous Vietnam strategy and he didn't get out until after Kissinger had made his mark.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 28 2008 00:32 GMT
#360
Obama gets the nom.
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