EPTI don't think you really have to be cynical towards politicians. I think that comes from being naive and having the wrong expectations. Obama will be a politician like any other. The reasons you are cynical about politics will apply to him at one point as well.
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
I don't think you really have to be cynical towards politicians. I think that comes from being naive and having the wrong expectations. Obama will be a politician like any other. The reasons you are cynical about politics will apply to him at one point as well. | ||
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a-game
Canada5209 Posts
if it's used honestly, then it's a good quality because it allows you to unite people who might not normally unite. and i think it's damned smart to be cynical towards politicians, most of them don't work for the little guy. but some do work for the little guy but aren't able to bring much progress due to logjams and divisions in the government, and i do think people should analyse the situation before dismissing politics. for example the democratic congress has no ability to get anything done because they lack a majority in the senate. that's not their fault. edit: and because president bush still has a veto power and the democratic party's margin in the house is not large enough to over turn a presidential veto. again, not their fault, it's up to the voters to give them those majorities before they can get stuff done. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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a-game
Canada5209 Posts
 edit: not all politicians are dishonest, obama may yet turn out to be dishonest but even if he does i still think theirs a high chance he will work for the little guy, and that his dishonesty will not get anywhere as bad as that in the republican party or the clinton administration | ||
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SilenTLurker
United States250 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On February 14 2008 11:07 SilenTLurker wrote: Indeed, thank God for the democratic party for bringing the forces of change at last. It's a revolution of politics, and we are fortunate to witness it. Let's not count the chickens before they hatch. EDIT: Christ, I am such a Southerner. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On February 14 2008 10:52 a-game wrote: only a cynic would say that There is a difference between being a cynic and being a realist. Are lawyers honest? No. They can't be. They have to do their job. Same goes for salespersons. They have to sell their product. If a person working for Ford knows Toyota makes better cars he will not tell this to his customers. Same for politicians. Their job is making promises they know they can't fulfill. That's being dishonest. But that doesn't mean they are dishonest politicians. And why do they do it? They do it because they want power. Sure, they have their ideology. But if they don't compromise and put power first they won't get any power and they won't be able to do anything. The cynicism comes from not realizing the above and forgetting how awful it used to be throughout history. Power corrupts everyone. If you get too excited about a politician and you aren't really naive or blinded you will quickly be disappointed. Right now they will do everything for votes. That's their job. Their whole speeches are cooked up for the sole reason to get voters. Not to inform you about what you can expect or when NOT to vote for him, etc. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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SilenTLurker
United States250 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
hahaha oh wow | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
rofl. | ||
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PissedOffEmo
Canada777 Posts
On February 14 2008 10:51 BlackStar wrote: Isn't being dishonest part of being a politician? that's why it's time for a change numbnuts | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On February 15 2008 03:40 fusionsdf wrote: “Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.” hahaha oh wow So according to Mark Penn, California and New York are the only states in this country that matter! Awesome :O | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On February 15 2008 04:13 Xeris wrote: So according to Mark Penn, California and New York are the only states in this country that matter! Awesome :O Its funny because its true. | ||
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decemberSWS
Romania16 Posts
On January 19 2008 20:28 JensOfSweden wrote: If I hear more european people rooting for either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton I'm gonna be sick. They (we) don't have a clue about the other candidates and it's just a huge bandwagon. Oh and I bet Ron Paul is big in certain countries like Holland, too Me too. -_-; | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
No it's not. California and New York are hardly significant in the general election. A Democrat will win regardless of the candidate. Significant states that Obama has yet to win include Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, California, Texas. Significant states that Obama has won include Illinois. So Mark Penn is correct no matter how you slice it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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