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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
February 14 2008 01:27 GMT
#421
Obama's charisma and speech skills are scary. But while it appeals to my emotion, my rationality thinks that's a con. Charismatic leaders are dangerous. They have an easier time abusing their power and an easier time getting away with stuff they shouldn't be getting away with.

I don't think you really have to be cynical towards politicians. I think that comes from being naive and having the wrong expectations. Obama will be a politician like any other. The reasons you are cynical about politics will apply to him at one point as well.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 01:47:02
February 14 2008 01:45 GMT
#422
charisma is only scary if the person who has it is dishonest.

if it's used honestly, then it's a good quality because it allows you to unite people who might not normally unite.

and i think it's damned smart to be cynical towards politicians, most of them don't work for the little guy. but some do work for the little guy but aren't able to bring much progress due to logjams and divisions in the government, and i do think people should analyse the situation before dismissing politics. for example the democratic congress has no ability to get anything done because they lack a majority in the senate. that's not their fault.

edit: and because president bush still has a veto power and the democratic party's margin in the house is not large enough to over turn a presidential veto. again, not their fault, it's up to the voters to give them those majorities before they can get stuff done.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
February 14 2008 01:51 GMT
#423
Isn't being dishonest part of being a politician?
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 01:56:16
February 14 2008 01:52 GMT
#424
only a cynic would say that

edit: not all politicians are dishonest, obama may yet turn out to be dishonest but even if he does i still think theirs a high chance he will work for the little guy, and that his dishonesty will not get anywhere as bad as that in the republican party or the clinton administration
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
SilenTLurker
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States250 Posts
February 14 2008 02:07 GMT
#425
Indeed, thank God for the democratic party for bringing the forces of change at last. It's a revolution of politics, and we are fortunate to witness it.
-I don't like infanticide. ~Why not? -Kids aren't good business, Remy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 02:14:18
February 14 2008 02:13 GMT
#426
On February 14 2008 11:07 SilenTLurker wrote:
Indeed, thank God for the democratic party for bringing the forces of change at last. It's a revolution of politics, and we are fortunate to witness it.


Let's not count the chickens before they hatch.


EDIT: Christ, I am such a Southerner.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
February 14 2008 02:56 GMT
#427
On February 14 2008 10:52 a-game wrote:
only a cynic would say that


There is a difference between being a cynic and being a realist.

Are lawyers honest? No. They can't be. They have to do their job. Same goes for salespersons. They have to sell their product. If a person working for Ford knows Toyota makes better cars he will not tell this to his customers.

Same for politicians. Their job is making promises they know they can't fulfill. That's being dishonest. But that doesn't mean they are dishonest politicians.
And why do they do it? They do it because they want power. Sure, they have their ideology. But if they don't compromise and put power first they won't get any power and they won't be able to do anything.

The cynicism comes from not realizing the above and forgetting how awful it used to be throughout history. Power corrupts everyone. If you get too excited about a politician and you aren't really naive or blinded you will quickly be disappointed.

Right now they will do everything for votes. That's their job. Their whole speeches are cooked up for the sole reason to get voters. Not to inform you about what you can expect or when NOT to vote for him, etc.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 14 2008 05:48 GMT
#428
Who says lawyer's can't be honest? You are just overly cynical, it's not realistic. How many lawyers do you know, and how many politicians do you know? How can you base judgements off of something you probably don't know from firsthand experience? oo;;
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
SilenTLurker
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States250 Posts
February 14 2008 07:53 GMT
#429
Yes, when you've had a beer with George Bush you'll maybe have some grounds to question his integrity. Until then, keep your wild speculations to yourself.
-I don't like infanticide. ~Why not? -Kids aren't good business, Remy.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 18:41:00
February 14 2008 18:40 GMT
#430
“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”


hahaha
oh wow
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
February 14 2008 18:42 GMT
#431
lol i guess WA, ID, NV, UT, CO, ND, MN, IA, NE, KS, MO, AK LA, AL, GA, SC, VA, MD, ME, CT dont count

rofl.
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
PissedOffEmo
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada777 Posts
February 14 2008 19:05 GMT
#432
On February 14 2008 10:51 BlackStar wrote:
Isn't being dishonest part of being a politician?


that's why it's time for a change numbnuts
Shit happens and then you die
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 14 2008 19:13 GMT
#433
On February 15 2008 03:40 fusionsdf wrote:
“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”


hahaha
oh wow


So according to Mark Penn, California and New York are the only states in this country that matter! Awesome :O
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 14 2008 19:25 GMT
#434
and texas. But only if they win it.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
February 14 2008 19:34 GMT
#435
On February 15 2008 04:13 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2008 03:40 fusionsdf wrote:
“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”


hahaha
oh wow


So according to Mark Penn, California and New York are the only states in this country that matter! Awesome :O

Its funny because its true.
decemberSWS
Profile Joined February 2008
Romania16 Posts
February 14 2008 19:47 GMT
#436
On January 19 2008 20:28 JensOfSweden wrote:
If I hear more european people rooting for either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton I'm gonna be sick. They (we) don't have a clue about the other candidates and it's just a huge bandwagon.

Oh and I bet Ron Paul is big in certain countries like Holland, too


Me too. -_-;
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
February 14 2008 19:58 GMT
#437
On February 15 2008 04:34 omgbnetsux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2008 04:13 Xeris wrote:
On February 15 2008 03:40 fusionsdf wrote:
“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”


hahaha
oh wow


So according to Mark Penn, California and New York are the only states in this country that matter! Awesome :O

Its funny because its true.


No it's not. California and New York are hardly significant in the general election. A Democrat will win regardless of the candidate. Significant states that Obama has yet to win include Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, California, Texas. Significant states that Obama has won include Illinois. So Mark Penn is correct no matter how you slice it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2008 20:53 GMT
#438
Grrr... Obama is behind in Ohio and Pennsylvania according to Reuters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_politics_poll_dc
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 14 2008 21:05 GMT
#439
Well nobody really won Michigan due to their delegates getting taken away (unless you count the bitch running regardless and taking all the vote).
Never Knows Best.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2008 00:38 GMT
#440
Damn the witch won New Mexico.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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