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PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
February 10 2008 01:38 GMT
#341
http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=7847796

Republican Caucus Preliminary Results: With 40% of the precincts reporting - Ron Paul 49%, Mike Huckabee 21%, John Mccain 16%. Democratic Caucus Preliminary Results: No clear lead with only 15% precincts reporting.
Once again back is the incredible!
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
February 10 2008 01:38 GMT
#342
obama wins washington and nebraska
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 10 2008 02:14 GMT
#343
Nice. Here's hoping he wins LA.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 10 2008 02:41 GMT
#344
Obama ahead in Lousiana right now, 44% vs Hillary's 40%.

Live results at http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/dates/index.html#20080209
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 10 2008 03:15 GMT
#345
and cnn projected obama as winner right now; Obama has 53%-38% advantage with 36% in.

Going to bed now after studying/reading tl to 4:am haha. night.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 03:38:09
February 10 2008 03:37 GMT
#346
Cool, he's got the lead (unless you count super delegates). I'd actually put a little money on Obama winning at this point, especially with Hillary broke. He definitely has an edge in the argument of who would be more likely to beat McCain.
wtf was that signature
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 10 2008 04:18 GMT
#347
hillary apparently raised 10 million from 100 000 since super tuesday
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 10 2008 04:26 GMT
#348
But is that part of the 5 million she chipped in herself or separate?
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 10 2008 04:29 GMT
#349
not sure
this is all I've seen
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#3ca2db69,2008-02-09
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
February 10 2008 05:06 GMT
#350
Obama wins Louisiana.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 10 2008 05:16 GMT
#351
Here's hoping he wins the Potomac primary. Also no surprise that the nomination might come down to get the Florida delegates released. Damn Clintons.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 10 2008 07:02 GMT
#352
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid353515028?bctid=416343938


absolutely beautiful speech by obama
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 08:12:56
February 10 2008 07:29 GMT
#353
On February 06 2008 11:51 Last Romantic wrote:
I cast my vote in favor of McCain.

First time I've ever voted.. curious exercise, this whole affair.

kind of surprised by this, after his whole 'gook' comment deal
On February 10 2008 12:37 Servolisk wrote:
I'd actually put a little money on Obama winning at this point

clinton's are just getting warmed up
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
February 10 2008 09:20 GMT
#354
I gotta agree with Bill Clinton. This entire thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. All the cable news networks have been replaying Obama's speech over and over all night, just like they did with all his other speeches. Every time he wins a primary he gives a huge ridiculous speech that is completely scripted and completely predictable. Off the cuff, he is not nearly as talented.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 11:39:09
February 10 2008 11:05 GMT
#355
On February 10 2008 18:20 BlackJack wrote:
I gotta agree with Bill Clinton. This entire thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. All the cable news networks have been replaying Obama's speech over and over all night, just like they did with all his other speeches. Every time he wins a primary he gives a huge ridiculous speech that is completely scripted and completely predictable. Off the cuff, he is not nearly as talented.

bill shouldn't talk tbh

he and obama are very similar candidates, back when bill was campaigning for president he was almost a mirror image of obamas candidacy.

if he thinks it's now a fairy tale way to campaign then he needs to lecture himself for the way he ran in the past

edit: i feel i should back that up with support, so here

http://cbs4.com/politics/bill.clinton.obama.2.613376.html
http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/01/14/obama-style-harkens-to-bill/
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
February 10 2008 17:17 GMT
#356
On February 10 2008 18:20 BlackJack wrote:
I gotta agree with Bill Clinton. This entire thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. All the cable news networks have been replaying Obama's speech over and over all night, just like they did with all his other speeches. Every time he wins a primary he gives a huge ridiculous speech that is completely scripted and completely predictable. Off the cuff, he is not nearly as talented.


As opposed to hillary who is what? Shrill, annoying, truth-distorting?
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 10 2008 17:54 GMT
#357
Don't forget crying.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 10 2008 18:16 GMT
#358
Isn't Maine voting today?
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 19:09:22
February 10 2008 18:49 GMT
#359

Next Up for the Democrats: Civil War

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By FRANK RICH
Published: February 10, 2008

WHAT if a presidential candidate held what she billed as “the largest, most interactive town hall in political history” on national television, and no one noticed?
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The untold story in the run-up to Super Tuesday was Hillary Clinton’s elaborate live prime-time special the night before the vote. Presiding from a studio in New York, the candidate took questions from audiences in 21 other cities. She had plugged the event four days earlier in the last gasp of her debate with Barack Obama and paid a small fortune for it: an hour of time on the Hallmark Channel plus satellite TV hookups for the assemblies of supporters stretching from coast to coast.

The same news media that constantly revisited the Oprah-Caroline-Maria rally in California ignored “Voices Across America: A National Town Hall.” The Clinton campaign would no doubt attribute this to press bias, but it scrupulously designed the event to avoid making news. Like the scripted “Ask President Bush” sessions during the 2004 campaign, this town hall seemed to unfold in Stepford. The anodyne questions (“What else would you do to help take care of our veterans?”) merely cued up laundry lists of talking points. Some in attendance appeared to trance out.

But I’m glad I watched every minute, right up until Mrs. Clinton was abruptly cut off in midsentence so Hallmark could resume its previously scheduled programming (a movie promising “A Season for Miracles,” aptly enough). However boring, this show was a dramatic encapsulation of how a once-invincible candidate ended up in a dead heat, crippled by poll-tested corporate packaging that markets her as a synthetic product leeched of most human qualities. What’s more, it offered a naked preview of how nastily the Clintons will fight, whatever the collateral damage to the Democratic Party, in the endgame to come.

For a campaign that began with tightly monitored Web “chats” and then planted questions at its earlier town-hall meetings, a Bush-style pseudo-event like the Hallmark special is nothing new, of course. What’s remarkable is that instead of learning from these mistakes, Mrs. Clinton’s handlers keep doubling down.

Less than two weeks ago she was airlifted into her own, less effective version of “Mission Accomplished.” Instead of declaring faux victory in Iraq, she starred in a made-for-television rally declaring faux victory in a Florida primary that was held in defiance of party rules, involved no campaigning and awarded no delegates. As Andrea Mitchell of NBC News said, it was “the Potemkin village of victory celebrations.”

The Hallmark show, enacted on an anachronistic studio set that looked like a deliberate throwback to the good old days of 1992, was equally desperate. If the point was to generate donations or excitement, the effect was the reverse. A campaign operative, speaking on MSNBC, claimed that 250,000 viewers had seen an online incarnation of the event in addition to “who knows how many” Hallmark channel viewers. Who knows, indeed? What we do know is that by then the “Yes We Can” Obama video fronted by the hip-hop vocalist will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas had been averaging roughly a million YouTube views a day. (Cost to the Obama campaign: zero.)

Two days after her town-hall extravaganza, Mrs. Clinton revealed the $5 million loan she had made to her own campaign to survive a month in which the Obama operation had raised $32 million to her $13.5 million. That poignant confession led to a spike in contributions that Mr. Obama also topped. Though Tuesday was largely a draw in popular votes and delegates, every other indicator, from the candidates’ real and virtual crowds to hard cash, points to a steadily widening Obama-Clinton gap. The Clinton campaign might be an imploding Potemkin village itself were it not for the fungible profits from Bill Clinton’s murky post-presidency business deals. (The Clintons, unlike Mr. Obama, have not released their income-tax returns.)

The campaign’s other most potent form of currency remains its thick deck of race cards. This was all too apparent in the Hallmark show. In its carefully calibrated cross section of geographically and demographically diverse cast members — young, old, one gay man, one vet, two union members — African-Americans were reduced to also-rans. One black woman, the former TV correspondent Carole Simpson, was given the servile role of the meeting’s nominal moderator, Ed McMahon to Mrs. Clinton’s top banana. Scattered black faces could be seen in the audience. But in the entire televised hour, there was not a single African-American questioner, whether to toss a softball or ask about the Clintons’ own recent misadventures in racial politics.

The Clinton camp does not leave such matters to chance. This decision was a cold, political cost-benefit calculus. In October, seven months after the two candidates’ dueling church perorations in Selma, USA Today found Hillary Clinton leading Mr. Obama among African-American Democrats by a margin of 62 percent to 34 percent. But once black voters met Mr. Obama and started to gravitate toward him, Bill Clinton and the campaign’s other surrogates stopped caring about what African-Americans thought. In an effort to scare off white voters, Mr. Obama was ghettoized as a cocaine user (by the chief Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, among others), “the black candidate” (as Clinton strategists told the Associated Press) and Jesse Jackson redux (by Mr. Clinton himself).

The result? Black America has largely deserted the Clintons. In her California primary victory, Mrs. Clinton drew only 19 percent of the black vote. The campaign saw this coming and so saw no percentage in bestowing precious minutes of prime-time television on African-American queries.

That time went instead to the Hispanic population that was still in play in Super Tuesday’s voting in the West. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Angeles had a cameo, and one of the satellite meetings was held in the National Hispanic Cultural Center in Albuquerque. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s smart politics, especially since Mr. Obama has been behind the curve in wooing this constituency.

But the wholesale substitution of Hispanics for blacks on the Hallmark show is tainted by a creepy racial back story. Last month a Hispanic pollster employed by the Clinton campaign pitted the two groups against each other by telling The New Yorker that Hispanic voters have “not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Mrs. Clinton then seconded the motion by telling Tim Russert in a debate that her pollster was “making a historical statement.”

It wasn’t an accurate statement, historical or otherwise. It was a lie, and a bigoted lie at that, given that it branded Hispanics, a group as heterogeneous as any other, as monolithic racists. As the columnist Gregory Rodriguez pointed out in The Los Angeles Times, all three black members of Congress in that city won in heavily Latino districts; black mayors as various as David Dinkins in New York in the 1980s and Ron Kirk in Dallas in the 1990s received more than 70 percent of the Hispanic vote. The real point of the Clinton campaign’s decision to sow misinformation and racial division, Mr. Rodriguez concluded, was to “undermine one of Obama’s central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types.”

If that was the intent, it didn’t work. Mrs. Clinton did pile up her expected large margin among Latino voters in California. But her tight grip on that electorate is loosening. Mr. Obama, who captured only 26 percent of Hispanic voters in Nevada last month, did better than that in every state on Tuesday, reaching 41 percent in Arizona and 53 percent in Connecticut. Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign’s attempt to drive white voters away from Mr. Obama by playing the race card has backfired. His white vote tally rises every week. Though Mrs. Clinton won California by almost 10 percentage points, among whites she beat Mr. Obama by only 3 points.

The question now is how much more racial friction the Clinton campaign will gin up if its Hispanic support starts to erode in Texas, whose March 4 vote it sees as its latest firewall. Clearly it will stop at little. That’s why you now hear Clinton operatives talk ever more brazenly about trying to reverse party rulings so that they can hijack 366 ghost delegates from Florida and the other rogue primary, Michigan, where Mr. Obama wasn’t even on the ballot. So much for Mrs. Clinton’s assurance on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall that it didn’t matter if she alone kept her name on the Michigan ballot because the vote “is not going to count for anything.”

Last month, two eminent African-American historians who have served in government, Mary Frances Berry (in the Carter and Clinton years) and Roger Wilkins (in the Johnson administration), wrote Howard Dean, the Democrats’ chairman, to warn him of the perils of that credentials fight. Last week, Mr. Dean became sufficiently alarmed to propose brokering an “arrangement” if a clear-cut victory by one candidate hasn’t rendered the issue moot by the spring. But does anyone seriously believe that Howard Dean can deter a Clinton combine so ruthless that it risked shredding three decades of mutual affection with black America to win a primary?

A race-tinged brawl at the convention, some nine weeks before Election Day, will not be a Hallmark moment. As Mr. Wilkins reiterated to me last week, it will be a flashback to the Democratic civil war of 1968, a suicide for the party no matter which victor ends up holding the rancid spoils.



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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
February 10 2008 18:50 GMT
#360
On February 11 2008 02:54 zer0das wrote:
Don't forget crying.


People cry and faint when they hear Obama speak. That's basically what he is running on.
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