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On February 08 2008 00:49 Hawk wrote:
I was reading the paper today and they ahd a story about young voters. One girl said something to the extent of 'I voted for hillary because I think we need a woman in the White House. It's a big step forward for feminists'
Allow me to take the time say:
Fuck you if your vote was based on sex
Fuck you if your vote was based on skin color
Fuck you if your vote was based on religious beliefs
My fucking GOD. I didn't realize that all of these things were more important than the character of the candidate and their fucking platforms
/end rant
All i can say to that is: if there were an atheist candidate i would vote for him hands down. Religious beliefs are big part of a person's character.
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On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems.
umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans.
And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time.
People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to.
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ahahahahah
cnn is such a joke
girl reporter spent 2 minutes going on about how clinton raised 3 mil in one day and they were all successful fundraising. and then said as quickly as possible - and obama claims he raised 7 million since tuesday"
what a bunch of bullshit spin
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On February 08 2008 02:02 stk01001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems. umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans. And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time. People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to.
Clinton gets a lot of votes from 60+ democrats.
She is less popular among young democrats (like 30%)
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Fox is saying Romney is to drop out.
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romney just did
suspended campaign
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Yeah he just conceded. Now Huckabee has to decide whether or not to fight or to let McCain gain steam for a longer period of time.
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McCain is pretty much the nominee for the Republicans, now he has to wait to see if Hillary gets the nomination and just sit back and have Conservatives decide which bitter pill they wish to take.
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people need to question whether the media reports the leading candidates? or makes them. Way in the beginning of the race in 2007, we have heard rumors that "oh it's most likely going to be hilary or obama" PFFT! On what fucking basis? who is the one that analyzed that? anyways, since then hilary and obama have gotten the most airtime on main news outlets. but the un even coverage isn't just in the democratic side. the media plays the same game with republicans, putting one person's face in front of all the voters that aren't heavily into politics.
What is the impression people get? a vast number of people don't even do their research on candidates, and vote with what the unbiased tv spoon fed them (joking haha) Even I fell into this trap. Back before i had my political values and principles straightened out, I too went along with the "oh so and so & so and so are the leading candidates" and ten subconsciously it was like someone told me "choose one of them" BOOM. There it is. Anyone else go through the same sort of thinking process i went through, consciously or not? Of course we can all think and choose to do and choose to elect whoever we want, but there is a thing called psych-Ops. psychological operations. If you control the input into a human, then statistically you will get a very high percentage of a known output.
Here's some evidence. As of februrary and late january, there are 2 dem candidates, and 4 reps. However, for weeks when i would watch ABC NBC or FOX report the results, they would always show only 5. who was left out? hilary and obama were shown on one frame with percentages totalling 100% or 97% at the minimum. On the republican side, they would always show Romney, McCain, and Huckabee, but their summed percentages would never ammoung to a modest 97%!!! WAHTS WRONG HERE!? hello? there IS another republican candidate. It's one thing when there are like 20 candidates, like in the beginning of the race, when it may be cumbersome to display everyone with less than 5%, (although i strongly believe they should), but it's another when there are only 6 left. They take the time to display 5, but as i have observed for these weeks, not show Ron Paul's numbers, or his face (as if he wasn't in the fucking race). Now one must wonder, "is it really that difficult to show one more person's numbers? i mean, it is an even 6. they can show 3 and 3 on two frames, or 2 2 and 2 on three frames. When i added up the numbers there is a decent remainder of points left out of the 100. And many times, the remainder (Ron Paul's give or take a couple points) would be even greater than the 3rd place republican nominee. Yet ABC and FOX think somehow fourth place is worth showing more than third place. obviously because fourth place is beating third (O.o???).Or maybe it could be that they habitually forgot about Ron Paul, (give them a break, the news reporters work hard. They can screw up with our news info sometimes)
Anyway, all i'm trying to get across is that maybe we should think and question if 1) the political-media complex, is truly "reporting" the leading candidates, or 2) the media influences who becomes the leading candidate and eventually the winner, via the "best teacher of all" - repetition.
As well as HOW strongly media influences the outcomes of the election... I've read one research that said the biggest factor of winning the elections is media coverage. - how much time and how often your name and face is on the boob tube.
Lets pray America doesn't go down the toilet.
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i think mcain will die soon
he is way ooold
go obama
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On February 08 2008 01:43 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 00:49 Hawk wrote:
I was reading the paper today and they ahd a story about young voters. One girl said something to the extent of 'I voted for hillary because I think we need a woman in the White House. It's a big step forward for feminists'
Allow me to take the time say:
Fuck you if your vote was based on sex
Fuck you if your vote was based on skin color
Fuck you if your vote was based on religious beliefs
My fucking GOD. I didn't realize that all of these things were more important than the character of the candidate and their fucking platforms
/end rant All i can say to that is: if there were an atheist candidate i would vote for him hands down. Religious beliefs are big part of a person's character.
Even if he wanted to stop abortions, give tax breaks and wanted to stay in the war?
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On February 08 2008 02:22 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 02:02 stk01001 wrote:On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems. umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans. And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time. People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to. Clinton gets a lot of votes from 60+ democrats. She is less popular among young democrats (like 30%)
Talk to a lot of democrats.. for a lot of people, you either love or hate hillary. There's like no middle ground with her for most.
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On February 08 2008 05:08 MarklarMarklar wrote:
i think mcain will die soon
he is way ooold
go obama
That makes it interesting who his VP choice would be. Has he said or hinted anything?
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On February 08 2008 05:12 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 02:22 fusionsdf wrote:On February 08 2008 02:02 stk01001 wrote:On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems. umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans. And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time. People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to. Clinton gets a lot of votes from 60+ democrats. She is less popular among young democrats (like 30%) Talk to a lot of democrats.. for a lot of people, you either love or hate hillary. There's like no middle ground with her for most.
na theres people who wants obama to win, but would be fine with hilary too since bill is also on her back
On February 08 2008 05:35 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 05:08 MarklarMarklar wrote:
i think mcain will die soon
he is way ooold
go obama That makes it interesting who his VP choice would be. Has he said or hinted anything?
I guess Guliani? dunno. lol would be funny if Guliani is endorsing him in lots of events to be VP cause he know he will die soon.
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On February 08 2008 05:40 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 05:12 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2008 02:22 fusionsdf wrote:On February 08 2008 02:02 stk01001 wrote:On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems. umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans. And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time. People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to. Clinton gets a lot of votes from 60+ democrats. She is less popular among young democrats (like 30%) Talk to a lot of democrats.. for a lot of people, you either love or hate hillary. There's like no middle ground with her for most. na theres people who wants obama to win, but would be fine with hilary too since bill is also on her back
Yeah, I'd end up voting for her just based on the fact that I couldnt take another dumbass republican in office at this point lol
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On February 08 2008 05:40 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 05:12 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2008 02:22 fusionsdf wrote:On February 08 2008 02:02 stk01001 wrote:On February 08 2008 01:42 Hawk wrote:
If it's McCain vs Clinton, I'd put my $ on McCain.
Some republicans might hate McCain, but they all HATE hillary, as do many dems.
Hell, even if Obama gets the nod and goes against McCain, it's going to be difficult for the dems. umm no.. why do you keep saying a lot of democrats hate hillary? Have you not been paying attention to the primaries? It's obvious a lot of democrats support her. Yes some democrats do not like her, but most of the hatred for her comes primarily from republicans. And if you just look at the sheer number of votes Obama and Clinton are getting vs McCain and Romney (LOL) the two republican frontrunners, it's a complete joke. Obama and Clinton are getting tons of votes/supporters.. it's the republicans that are having a hard time. People are sick and tired of republicans in the white house.. seriously... that's all it comes down to. Clinton gets a lot of votes from 60+ democrats. She is less popular among young democrats (like 30%) Talk to a lot of democrats.. for a lot of people, you either love or hate hillary. There's like no middle ground with her for most. na theres people who wants obama to win, but would be fine with hilary too since bill is also on her back Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 05:35 Servolisk wrote:On February 08 2008 05:08 MarklarMarklar wrote:
i think mcain will die soon
he is way ooold
go obama That makes it interesting who his VP choice would be. Has he said or hinted anything? I guess Guliani? dunno. lol would be funny if Guliani is endorsing him in lots of events to be VP cause he know he will die soon.
But his mom is still alive, chances are longevity can be passed through genes
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I really think this hate for Hilary is over rated and is just a talking point from false news.
Most people really like her, Edwards and Obama are amazing candidates both in terms of appeal, issues, charisma, etc... And Hilary leading polls vs Obama?
vs OBAMA!!
This man is adored, so Hilary must be doing something right.
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