|
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Alright, I'm still not 100% sure where ObsoleteLogic is coming from or what he's trying to say, but I'll try to respond to what I view to be the most likely possibility.
In short, as far as I can tell, ObsoleteLogic's argument appears to be: we should only have sex with the person whom we truly love (physical love, fraternal love, and the love of choice) primarily because we must develop our self-restraint in order to prevent the discipline of society from eroding away, which would ultimately result in humanity destroying itself. Hmm... it is difficult to argue against this concept, as it does seem very solid at the moment. However, I choose to stand by my current beliefs in this area, rather than refraining from sex primarily as a method of self-discipline. I make this choice because I do not feel that I need to refrain from sex or any other highly pleasurable activities solely to strengthen my self-restraint. Therefore, ObsoleteLogic's rationale would not work for me. It would probably work for certain other people, and I'm curious to know why he abides by this philosophy himself -- i.e. is it necessary somehow for him to discipline himself in this manner, is he doing it to be safe (as in "you can never have too much discipline"), or is he doing it strictly on principle, which I would disagree with because I believe that the goal of principle is to lead to right action, not that the goal of right action is to adhere to principle (which would only make sense if you were either God-fearing or had no concept of practicality at all). I disagree with disciplining oneself for its own sake in this sitaution because I believe that there comes a point where pleasure should not be traded for excess discipline. I suppose it's up to everyone do decide when they have sufficient discipline (in the sense that only they themselves can know when they've reached this point), though, so I can't say with certainty that ObsoleteLogic is wrong in his philosophy. As for whether or not it's right for other people to follow it: I can't say that for sure, either, though neither can he. Then there's always the possibility that I've missed his point, or at least the focus of his argument, which would suck, because I spent quite a bit of time thinking about all of this =/.
Well, that's my response to ObsoleteLogic's stance. Hopefully I was right in my assumption of what his primary argument was, otherwise there's not much point to any of what I wrote =/. I doubt that most people will be able to follow all that, but hopefully those who actually care to read it will also be those who can understand it  .
It doesn't come as any surprise to me that I essentially keep ending in "to each his own", because I believe that since I can't read minds, it's seldom possible to tell someone "this is what you should do" with absolute certainty, nor to force anything on anyone. People think in different ways, so different things work for different people. That's my approach to most (rational) differences of opinion .
|
You were pretty close, though there are a few matters on which I might be able to elucidate on. However, I don't wish for A: this thread to continue on, or B: to be further flamed for my views. If you have AIM, leave it on here?
|
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On August 09 2003 03:20 Staind wrote:
I have to agree with Obselete here. Although going out at our age is mainly just for sex I think there's more to it then that. Also, I read some place that it can have psychological damage in the future on your ability to deal in relationships - when they get more intimate. I'll try to find the link.
I'd be interested in reading about that, if you can find the link.
|
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
"ItsBill307"
I seldom use it, but I'll go on now.
|
This old post is unavailable due to an encoding issue. Please contact an admin if you would like this post restored for historical reasons.
|
im fairly familiar with 2).(minus the std part)
|
being a slut isn't bad ... it just means she's fine and every guy want to take a shot at her ... yes, pun intended ... 
|
AHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
|
On August 09 2003 08:30 Vicious)Soul wrote:
AHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
rofl
|
who cares ... shes sucking ur dick and fuckin ur brains out .. go nuts?
|
|
|
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Hehe, sounds like you had another fun night together . Also sounds like you're starting to become attracted to her emotionally as well, which can be pretty dangerous =/. There is a chance that you and her could develop a relationship like that for a while, where you both go out and do things together, but the chances that she'll stay with you for more than a bit are not good at all -- virtually nill. I don't know about you, but if I really liked a girl (sounds like you're slowly becoming like that with Kate) and we went out for a while but then she left me for some other guy, then I'd be really hurt at that point, so chances are you'll be hurt pretty bad once that happens, too.
Of course, I also know that telling you to keep that in mind isn't going to work very well either, because if you guys really do start doing stuff together, then you'll probably be so happy that you'll become super-optimistic and start thinking that maybe you guys do have a chance for something lasting after all  .
Is it worth it? I dunno. If you don't think you'll take it too hard, then I guess you could go for it. It'd probably be a good learning experience, too (as in, learning what it's like to be in a relationship with someone, etc.). It doesn't sound like you view sex as anything particularly special to share with another person, but if you do then you'll probably not want to go through with it, since you'll feel bad later on that you can no longer share it with someone in the future and truly say that that person was special and unique to you. Otherwise, if you're just out for the pleasure of it, then don't worry to much about this.
Okay, I gotta cut this short, so I'll leave it at that. Good luck.
PS: <3 u 2
|
Oh I disagree. Even now the whole relationship is generally based around sex. You want to go to the movies with her because... make out then go back to her house and have sex (this is the feeling I got). But anyways, enjoy your "slut" and have fun.
I also find it odd that you know / think she's a slut but still want to date her. :\
|
a slut is a woman with the morals of a man
|
|
|
Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Yo watch this you dirty piece of poo!
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
