EPTis it ok to like a slut? - Page 17
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TeCh)PsylO
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Imperium
United States614 Posts
On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: since you bring in so much irrelevant outside shit obso i might as well do the same. freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. People have basic urges which civilization forces us to repress. The further we get towards being totally civilized (perfect morals) the more unhappy we will be. By holding back the things we want to do, we build up guilt. People feel guilty for things they think. Example: I have sex with your sister. You are angry, want to kill me. You then realize murder is wrong, and feel guilty for thinking such an awful thing. This guilt creates unhappiness. If there were no laws preventing murder, you would shoot me twice in the head and think nothing of it. As ive said, the driving force behind things in life is happiness. By restricting ourselves we make ourselves more unhappy, thus detracting from what we are trying to achieve. By upholding strong morals, all one is doing is living in fear of a god who he believes will strike down upon him for living without inhibition. all this really boils down to is a religion argument, and then into subdivisions of how strict the religion is etc. And since everyone should be agnostic (because there is no proof of the existence or non existence of god), then the argument could go on ad infinitum. So lets just call it quits. didn't he also say that dreaming of flying is equivalent to having sex with your mother? maybe I'm thinking of someone else  | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. happiness is a choice | ||
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 08 2003 21:30 CHN_Danger wrote: You fucked up yo. If it wuz me and I was drunk. I woulda left that morning knowing i fucked both those bitches The ignorant should not speak... not that that statement is directed at anyone or anything... | ||
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Vicious)Soul
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ObsoleteLogic
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bASesinAtOR
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iGgs
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. Freud wanted his mother | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 09 2003 00:09 ObsoleteLogic wrote: This thread was fine before it became, "You're an idiot! Yeah. Idiot! Moron! You're different than me, idiot!" ): Yeah, obsolete is right. The discusiion was fine before people starting flaming obsolete. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
BigBalls: I totally disagree with your post about what Freud said (and consequently Freud himself). First of all, if you did something that strongly angered me, my thought process would not go along the lines of: I want to kill you --> Murder is wrong --> I shouldn't want to kill him, it's wrong --> Unhappiness. Let's assume that I wanted to kill you for something. My thought process would be along the lines of: --> Murder is wrong, maybe I shouldn't kill him --> Murder wouldn't solve anything, [insert mental debate here about what would be the best choice of action] --> I should do [such-and-such] instead. I wouldn't feel guilt at all, and I wouldn't feel unhappiness at not being able to kill you, either. In addition, I don't live in fear of God at all, but uphold strong morals anyway. I do this because I enjoy it: I enjoy making people (myself and others*) happy, and I figure that if I'm doing the right thing, then by definition it's going to result in the best possible outcome and therefore the most happiness on the whole (very much like the utilitarian definition of what is right, although I don't approach moral decisions from the same direction as a utilitarian would). Moreover, if I did kill you, although it would satisfy my instincts, in the end I'd most likely just regret it (unless you were about to shoot me and I had a gun pointing at you already, in which case I wouldn't have a choice). I would derive almost no pleasure from satisfying many such detrimental instincts, because at the same time I'd be hurting someone else, which I would feel bad for. I feel happy and sometimes proud that I don't satisfy unwanted, harmful insticts. Now, I don't know how your or anybody's thought processes flow -- I can't know -- but I'm sure that many people who behave morally do so for more or less the same reason that I do: they feel good about doing what's right (or to be more correct, what I or what they believe is right). If someone were behaving in a moral fashion solely because they're living in fear of God, then I don't think that would be right. Probably better than going around doing whatever they want, of course, but they should be acting morally because they enjoy it, not because it's their "job" or their "duty". I could go off on even further tangents from this, but I won't, to avoid going even further off-topic. Okay, I'm gonna post this now and then respond to ObsoleteLogic's viewpoint (finally), in case the topic gets locked before I finish writing it... * Edit: Just thought I'd elaborate on this a bit, because it's not entirely true. I do not try to make everyone happy all the time or anything ridiculous like that. In general, the more dissatisfied I am with a person, the less pleasure I feel seeing them happy, and the people I outright hate I pretty much don't care about. I still wouldn't kill them for doing something that pissed me off (well, I might if I wasn't thinking rationally, which is pretty common when I'm really pissed off, so...), but mainly out of self-protection and the knowledge that I generally shouldn't kill. So yeah, just wanted to clarify my statement, because I don't want to give the impression that I'm someone who takes "turn the other [face] cheek" to the extreme  . | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 09 2003 00:09 ObsoleteLogic wrote: This thread was fine before it became, "You're an idiot! Yeah. Idiot! Moron! You're different than me, idiot!" ): I didn't call you an idiot because you have a diferent opinion, I called you an idiot because you are not capable of defending your views or debate other people's perspectives | ||
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AttackZerg
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Staind
Canada59 Posts
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