is it ok to like a slut?
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GoSexyPerli
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BigBalls
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its better than youll do with anyone else if she fools around with someone else, well, youre 16, youll recover but take advantage of it | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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GoSexyPerli
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Liquid`Drone
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go for it, you're gonna regret it if you don't. ^_^ | ||
Muhweli
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Sorry. i don't wanna start a flame war or anything. Heya, ObsoleteLogic, you got a point there but prostitute's cost money lol | ||
BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 15:03 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Stupid, stupid, and uh... stupid. I know I'm in the extreme minority on this forum, being a conservative, but for god's sake... can't you people keep it in your pants? Think with your head, not with your cock. Not with BigBalls cock, either. By "take advantage of it", he really means, "take advantage of her." If you're going to have cheap, meaningless sex, find a prostitute. That way you're only inflicting idiocy on yourself. not take advantage of her, take advantage of the situation heres a kidwhois16yearsold that probably doesnt have significant amounts of sexual experience. what he needs is a girl to basically make a man out of him. (sorryfor thistypingbullshit thiskeyboard fucking sucksandthespacebar and theL key fucking jam) he sayshelikesthegirl, so go outwith her, havesex with her andhave agood time. you dontwant to regret thislater, take advantageofopportunities thatarise(nopun intended) OMFG THISFUCKING SPACEBAR ISDRIVINGMETHROUGH THEROOF butyeah,if youre looking for adeep platonic meaningful relationship, then youre gay. sex is an integral part to love, and you seem to like this girl. go out with her, fuck her, have fun with her, youll mature both sexually and in a relationship sense, i see no reason to not go out with her besides a possible STD (which i highly doubt considering your age) | ||
Frits
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ObsoleteLogic
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GoSexyPerli
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ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 15:10 BigBalls wrote: not take advantage of her, take advantage of the situation Clever twist of words, same meaning. heres a kidwhois16yearsold that probably doesnt have significant amounts of sexual experience. what he needs is a girl to basically make a man out of him. (sorryfor thistypingbullshit thiskeyboard fucking sucksandthespacebar and theL key fucking jam) he sayshelikesthegirl, so go outwith her, havesex with her andhave agood time. you dontwant to regret thislater, take advantageofopportunities thatarise(nopun intended) OMFG THISFUCKING SPACEBAR ISDRIVINGMETHROUGH THEROOF Get a flat-head screwdriver, pry it out, clean it, and put it back in. butyeah,if youre looking for adeep platonic meaningful relationship, then youre gay. I take offense to that. Sorry I see women as more than giant cock-mittens. sex is an integral part to love, and you seem to like this girl. go out with her, fuck her, have fun with her, youll mature both sexually and in a relationship sense, i see no reason to not go out with her besides a possible STD (which i highly doubt considering your age) Grow in a relationship sense? What, a sense of hollow, purely hedonistic relations? Life isn't all fun and games. | ||
GoSexyPerli
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ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 15:16 GoSexyPerli wrote: Big Balls = genious So the real reason for this post wasn't to ask honest advice from people, but to have your own personal opinion justified. I see. | ||
BigBalls
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we went out for a long time, probably about 18 months. she wasnt a slut, but im about 90% sure she cheated on me (the day after we broke up she had a new boyfriend) i went off to college 6 hours from home, you can kind of put 2 and 2 together. i really hate her guts to this day but Im glad I went out with her. I got lots more sexual experience than I had, and I got a good sense of relationships. i really dont see many negative aspects to you going out with her, she could break your heart, but the benefits outweigh the consequences (and if she does break your heart, you learn a lot from a relationship of that type) | ||
GoSexyPerli
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SurG
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- be man, geez, why whould you bring it to nerds forum? ![]() - use condoms please | ||
BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 15:17 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Clever twist of words, same meaning. Get a flat-head screwdriver, pry it out, clean it, and put it back in. I take offense to that. Sorry I see women as more than giant cock-mittens. Grow in a relationship sense? What, a sense of hollow, purely hedonistic relations? Life isn't all fun and games. as for the cock mittens comment: hes physically attracted to this girl. He should not be looking for a platonic relationship with this girl. I have tons of girl friends who I would never do anything with. Would I if the chance arose? Maybe a couple, but most I wouldnt. (should have clarified that not all platonic relationships are bad) Im sure he has other girl friends, good girl friends. This is a girl he likes and is attracted to. Why would he want something platonic. As for the relationship sense, he clearly likes this girl and has feelings for her (he mentioned more than just looks) Hes 16 man, he probably hasnt had too many relationships where he really cared about a girl. It would definitely help him grow in a relationship sense finally, sex is most definitely integral to relationships. Why dont I just go out with some of my best friends who arent that hot? Who cares right, i mean sex isnt important. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 15:20 BigBalls wrote: i had a "real relationship" with a girl that ended about a year ago we went out for a long time, probably about 18 months. she wasnt a slut, but im about 90% sure she cheated on me (the day after we broke up she had a new boyfriend) i went off to college 6 hours from home, you can kind of put 2 and 2 together. i really hate her guts to this day but Im glad I went out with her. I got lots more sexual experience than I had, and I got a good sense of relationships. i really dont see many negative aspects to you going out with her, she could break your heart, but the benefits outweigh the consequences (and if she does break your heart, you learn a lot from a relationship of that type) That sucks dude, and I know real relationships can bring a lot of heartbreak, but also that good can come out of that pain. But you can either seek the good after the bad in life, or you can start going for the good right away. You're making sexual experience out to inherently be good, because it is pleasurable. But that doesn't make it so; perfectly normal people have admitted to enjoy violence, that release of aggression, but its results are not purely beneficial, regardless of circumstances. Sometimes it is necessary, but only because of unfortunate situations. Anyways, my point is that just because you enjoy something, doesn't mean its good. | ||
GoSexyPerli
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BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 15:26 ObsoleteLogic wrote: That sucks dude, and I know real relationships can bring a lot of heartbreak, but also that good can come out of that pain. But you can either seek the good after the bad in life, or you can start going for the good right away. You're making sexual experience out to inherently be good, because it is pleasurable. But that doesn't make it so; perfectly normal people have admitted to enjoy violence, that release of aggression, but its results are not purely beneficial, regardless of circumstances. Sometimes it is necessary, but only because of unfortunate situations. Anyways, my point is that just because you enjoy something, doesn't mean its good. who cares about morals man. The purpose of being alive is to have fun. We only live one life, everyones driving purpose behind EVERY ACTION is fun. why work a shitty job that pays well? So one can have fun in retirement. Every action has an intention of ending with some type of fun activity. Who cares if its morally wrong to have sex. If he enjoys it, go for it (as long as its within legal limits). If something he is doing is bringing harm to others, then its a bad action. If his definition of sex is rape, then surely it is not good. But if he isnt kobe bryant, and he thinks sex is not ass raping a girl in a hotel room, then hes seeking pleasure out of it, and his partner is getting pleasure out of it. It is a good thing. and getting sexual experience early is also a good thing. once you get to college you dont want to be a little 2 pump chump hornball that turns off all the girls he meets. | ||
choader
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It is the most beautiful thing in the world to be in love with someone who is in love with you. Anyone who disagrees has never experienced this. | ||
choader
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draeger
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If this girl has a lot of experience in this field (as you implied in your post), use it to your advantage also. The more experience somebody has had, the more comfortable they are with experimenting with different things. In the end, it makes you more well rounded sexually if you can feel comfortable in 3-4 different positions instead of just military position. I don't recall you mentioning what your current level of experience is, so just be warned that once you have your first time you become a fucking nympho. As long as you're prepared to accept that at 16, man up and hit that shit. | ||
GoSexyPerli
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GoSexyPerli
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BigBalls
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she broke up with him this summer (they dont ive close to each other)and i got a letter from her (A FUCKING LETTER IN THE MAIL BABY). im trying to get her to come visit me before she goes back to school (she will have a full week at school with him before i get there FUCK). shes a good friend of mine and you know, if all i can get with her is one sexual encounter, I would take it. I dont want to regret anything I do, basically the same reason Im going to LA for wcg finals. I dont want to look back and say, ya know, what if i did go, what could have happened | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 15:31 BigBalls wrote: who cares about morals man. The purpose of being alive is to have fun. We only live one life, everyones driving purpose behind EVERY ACTION is fun. why work a shitty job that pays well? So one can have fun in retirement. Every action has an intention of ending with some type of fun activity. Who cares if its morally wrong to have sex. If he enjoys it, go for it (as long as its within legal limits). If something he is doing is bringing harm to others, then its a bad action. If his definition of sex is rape, then surely it is not good. But if he isnt kobe bryant, and he thinks sex is not ass raping a girl in a hotel room, then hes seeking pleasure out of it, and his partner is getting pleasure out of it. It is a good thing. and getting sexual experience early is also a good thing. once you get to college you dont want to be a little 2 pump chump hornball that turns off all the girls he meets. Did you just read the last sentence, or the whole paragraph? Hitler enjoyed masturbating while a prostitute kicked him. He also enjoyed killing Jews. The basis of your argument is legality, but why? You just said who cares about morals. Legislature is a form of instilling and regulating proper moral conduct. As for caring about morality, cultures which started with moral affluence, rose to great things, but ultimately fell apart when they became morally lax. Just look at ancient Rome; they started with a strong military and strong virtues. Paederasty wasn't a cornerstone of their lifestyles (as it was of the Greeks, who never held on to much for long), they had strong religious virtues. But as their coffers grew, their moral backbone bent. Infanticde, homosexuality, pedophilia in general, all became commonplace and were never fully eradicated from the Empire, particularly in the Eastern (post Constantine, naturally). Just an observation (I did a report on this a few years ago) EDIT: Forgot to quote EDIT: P.S., not every action is driven by fun. Man saves child from a burning house! Doesn't sound like a fun-based activity, to me. | ||
SurG
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Btw, getting wasted when going out with girls is VERY stupid thing to do. ![]() ![]() | ||
draeger
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Well in that case, if you happen to give a lackluster performance she won't know any better ![]() | ||
Kontra[MDK]
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and btw.. Dont drink and drive! Smoke n' Flyyyyyyyyyy | ||
bASesinAtOR
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DeMoNiC
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GoSexyPerli
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
![]() Big Balls is the only one speaking the truth around here! Not every relationship has to be about candlelight dinner and long romantic walks on the beach! Enjoy life - and give her one for me ![]() On a side note, if she is indeed a slut, dont expect much of a future. I once went out with a chick like this and their "attention" wavers very quickly. These types of chix use and abuse guys to get what they want. Unfortunantly i learned this the hard way, but as BigBalls says, im all the wiser and more experienced for it. Take the relationship for what its worth. U'll know without us having to tell u whether its more than just a booty call. Sluts LOVE TEH COCK. Always remember this and listen to Mr BigBalls ur General Forum resident Casanova! :7 | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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not denying her of the same pleasure you also want. its not a fucking rape we are talking about here yo. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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Anyways, I can spout all the logical arguments and historical fact I like, but it comes down to being your decision. You can either objectify her (just because she's getting something out of it doesn't mean you aren't treating her like an object), or you can do the right thing, and look for someone else, who isn't so focused on a sexual relationship. Always keep in mind that you should be looking to do whats right, not what feels best. | ||
GoSexyPerli
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ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 15:57 Liquid`Drone wrote: "the right thing" obsoletelogic would be fucking the lady who wants to be fucked. not denying her of the same pleasure you also want. its not a fucking rape we are talking about here yo. You live in Norway. Your opinion doesn't count, because your country is morally bereft ): Go read Brave New World. Thats what your hedonistic, sexually centralized society would be like. | ||
GoSexyPerli
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ObsoleteLogic
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SurG
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objectifying somebody doesn't mean fucking and vice versa! | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 15:41 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Did you just read the last sentence, or the whole paragraph? Hitler enjoyed masturbating while a prostitute kicked him. He also enjoyed killing Jews. The basis of your argument is legality, but why? You just said who cares about morals. Legislature is a form of instilling and regulating proper moral conduct. As for caring about morality, cultures which started with moral affluence, rose to great things, but ultimately fell apart when they became morally lax. Just look at ancient Rome; they started with a strong military and strong virtues. Paederasty wasn't a cornerstone of their lifestyles (as it was of the Greeks, who never held on to much for long), they had strong religious virtues. But as their coffers grew, their moral backbone bent. Infanticde, homosexuality, pedophilia in general, all became commonplace and were never fully eradicated from the Empire, particularly in the Eastern (post Constantine, naturally). Just an observation (I did a report on this a few years ago) EDIT: Forgot to quote EDIT: P.S., not every action is driven by fun. Man saves child from a burning house! Doesn't sound like a fun-based activity, to me. just because hitler likes A and likes B doesnt mean all people who like A like B. Its logically incorrect to jump from a single case to a general case and compare his psychotic nature with anyone else. When I said who cares about morals, I was referring to you bringing up violence as an example to sex. Who cares if he has sex with this girl, as long as everything he does is within legal limits. Hes not dealing with something along those lines. hes dealing with intercourse. is that legal? yes, the age of consent is 16. is it morally correct? its not morally wrong, it may not be the best thing to do, but there isnt anything wrong with it (im not a believer in religion) as for the morality of a society causing its downfall, you mentioned 3 things, infanticide, homosexuality, pedophilia. 2 of these are illegal. one is a legal but a psychological problem. and none of these can be attributed to directly causing the downfall of an empire. just because a correlation exists, there doesnt have to be a cause-effect. as for the situation regarding a man saving a childs life, I would write a proof showing how it can lead to fun, but I dont have time. someone wants me to copy shit for them and mail it out, and help them take stuff out of their car, so ill do it later | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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Infanticide is the same principle as abortion; aside from the fact that there were about 30 minutes difference between the execution (of the action) of one and the other. | ||
SurG
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ObsoleteLogic
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ObsoleteLogic
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Macrophage
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SurG
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On August 06 2003 16:15 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Anyways, I've got to get to work, and this argument is starting to boil down to semantics (bleh). So, fun argument, and Perli... DO THE RIGHT THING! -_- even if it is, she likes it. That's the point. Ever stop to think that sometimes people want to be treated like objects in some ways? | ||
Yarertz
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SurG
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Orlandu
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BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 16:10 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Balls, you could connect saving a childs life to eating a french fry if you wanted to, but it wouldn't really be pertinent. If you want more examples from the Roman Empire: leniency, sloth, greed, slavery, adultery and all manner of extramarital affairs, and religious laxity. Infanticide is the same principle as abortion; aside from the fact that there were about 30 minutes difference between the execution (of the action) of one and the other. and of course all of those made them get taken over by the germanic tribes. their lack of morals made them inept at war | ||
Funktion
Australia156 Posts
Right or wrong doesn't come into it anyway. Do you both want to get it on? THEN GO FOR IT. For all you know she could of posted on some other forum "Is it wrong to hook up with some pissed cunt just for sex?". But I am religious, and that is the basis for my arguments. Didn't see that coming a mile away. | ||
radiaL
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btw, best post was BigBalls' second ![]() hahah still laughin about that one ![]() {edit} 2nd, thought it was first | ||
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Rekrul
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radiaL
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althou im not sure about logic here, he seems to be an impotent | ||
BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 16:50 [pG]Rekrul wrote: All guys are sluts, why can't girls be? cause double standards are the best thing since sliced bread | ||
TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
as a young man being naturally more emotionally stable than a young woman, i think its partially your responsibility to be protective of a girl who most likely has got alot of problems. sex is good, but it is not worth being part of a regrettable past and alot of emotional turmoil. if u really "like" her, u should take care of her, by looking out for her emotionally, not by looking out for you or her physically. i suspect if u get into a relationship with such a girl, in the end u will both just be hurt. you by knowing that you will never have anything from her that other people havnt had, and her by looking for attention in all the wrong places. if u stay away, u will just have a good friend, and in the back of your head u will always know u did the right thing | ||
C)R
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C)R
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On August 06 2003 16:13 ObsoleteLogic wrote: SurG, ever stop to think that maybe every time you wnat to fuck your girlfriend, it is objectification? I feel sorry for u ![]() | ||
Refrain[FriZ]
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Serious relationships are indeed a very serious thing and should not be dealt with lightly. It's a very intimate connection with another fellow human being with all the same feelings, emotions, intelligence. I think that if you meet a girl you really, truly like and really, truly feel attracted to, you won't immediately just have an instinct or urge to have intercourse. If you really love this girl, you'll want to have a loving(no this does not mean sex every day), lasting relationship with her. (aka being with her, doing things with her.(NO NOT SEX) Sex is a very intimate form of showing love to one another, both members should feel comfortable with it, and should trust each other very deeply; and should only be done when you both members genuinly feel that they're looking for another way to show their love to one another. Sex is only a 'byproduct' of a seriously intimate, true relationship and when it is, it can be very 'safe' as both members will be completely honest towards feelings on many perspectives on it. I think that when you really love a girl, you'll admire her for her general beauty (not for her "hotness" or whatever), her personality, feelings, and learn to respect her as a fellow being. :grammatical errors kaka: | ||
GoSexyPerli
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Vharon
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On August 06 2003 15:03 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Stupid, stupid, and uh... stupid. I know I'm in the extreme minority on this forum, being a conservative, but for god's sake... can't you people keep it in your pants? Think with your head, not with your cock. Not with BigBalls cock, either. By "take advantage of it", he really means, "take advantage of her." If you're going to have cheap, meaningless sex, find a prostitute. That way you're only inflicting idiocy on yourself. heh, don't worry i'm one of the few conservatives too. I agree with Obsolete, dont be a whore. | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 15:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah obsolete thats a stupid attitude. go for it, you're gonna regret it if you don't. ^_^ How was that a stupid attitude? That was a bad statement. | ||
Maenander
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On August 06 2003 17:23 C)R wrote: k for 16 that is pretty good, just use her for a bit, if you don't u'll regret it, trust me. It seems harsh but when you get older u'll realise that people use eachother all the time I dont like such thoughts ![]() | ||
C)R
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Vharon
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same... | ||
Maenander
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Ever heard of women thinking for themselves, who maybe want sex like in this case ? | ||
fuqin-suck
United States142 Posts
but definitely bang the shit out of her. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 18:18 Maenander wrote: Some people here speak of using girls, or taking advantage of them, or "objectification". Ever heard of women thinking for themselves, who maybe want sex like in this case ? That would be objectification of the man. It works both ways. <3 to Vharon. | ||
Lockdown-
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MusiK[WG]
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1st off perli, it does sound like ur kinda lookin for a relationship, if thats the case then go for a nicer chick not a slut, but also knowing ur 16, ill say at least do her once or twice, don't do her too many times, u might start fallin for her and trust me u DONT WANT TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HER, u said she has a nice personality, fun to be around and to talk to, and im guessin shes gonna be real good with the sex. All have a makin of someone any guy will fall hard in love with. This is where my xperince comes in, as u start to like her, u will find out more things about her past that you wont like and its gonna eat u up so bad inside especially if u fall in love with her. And knowin that shes a slut, shes most likely goin to break ur heart in the future which in turn will fuck u up more . Trust me on that, i won't call my ex a slut, she was a nice girl when we met, but after we hooked up and fell in love and everything else, i found out some things she had done in the past, things that i'm not gonna say , this led me to not trustin her and always accusin her of cheatin and stuff, she eventually broke up with me...Good for me right? No...Why? cuz i was fuckin in love with her so fuckin much, we broke up 3 months ago, i still havent moved on from her, she does want to get back together but who knows. back to u Considerin ur only 16 (btw im 22) its highly likely u wont get heartbroken in the future if u fall in love with her and she leaves or somthin. And Bigballs is right, if anythin, u will learn a lot from her if u 2 do get in a relationship, but from ur 1st post it kinda sounds like ur a nice guy who is lookin for a relationship with our kate lol, like not the type bigball's wrote his post for, so i'm kinda worried for u In conclusion, ur only 16 do her at least twice, if u want a nice girl, dont have a relationship with her, find someone betta, every girl is crazy when it comes to sex, some u gotta bring it out of them, others like our friend kate dont need that help. so if its the sex and looks, im sure u can find someone who is nicer and not a slut. And also go with ur heart and do what will make u happy. U cant go wrong with either decision, just know the consequencies of each one. 1 | ||
Capn
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On August 06 2003 17:47 GoSexyPerli wrote: i have stated that i dont like her only for her hotness.... She has a great personality, easy to talk to, funny, etc. Its icing on the cake. Then go for it. How is this using the girl? She wants him, he wants her...sounds pretty simple to me what you should do. Plus, you're in high school...have some fun. You don't need to be searching for the perfect relationship right now. | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 18:54 Capn wrote: Then go for it. How is this using the girl? She wants him, he wants her...sounds pretty simple to me what you should do. Plus, you're in high school...have some fun. You don't need to be searching for the perfect relationship right now. nor do you want to mess with whores... conservatives will be coming around the mountain when they come... coming around the mountain when they come... | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 18:47 Lockdown- wrote: Obsolete Logic i admire your morals and values ![]() ![]() i completly agree same | ||
Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 06 2003 18:34 ObsoleteLogic wrote: That would be objectification of the man. It works both ways. So sex is all "objectification" in ur eyes. Hmmm. Not for me. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 19:03 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Don't take relationship advice from a guy who has "From personal experience, i have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as real love, only a strong sense of infatuation and likeness towards another individual," as his signature... hahahah | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28642 Posts
she wants sexual contact with him. he wants sexual contact with her. why should they not have sexual contact with eachother? ^_^ there's nothing keeping the girl from not having sexual contact with him and there's nothing keeping him from not having sexual contact with her, if there's anything they don't want to do then they can just tell eachother ! ! ! ! | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 19:23 Liquid`Drone wrote: * I do not want anyone to use anyone *. she wants sexual contact with him. he wants sexual contact with her. why should they not have sexual contact with eachother? ^_^ there's nothing keeping the girl from not having sexual contact with him and there's nothing keeping him from not having sexual contact with her, if there's anything they don't want to do then they can just tell eachother ! ! ! ! he asked a question.. "Is it ok to like a slut?" i was just saying... NO it's not ok. =] | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On August 06 2003 20:17 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Eri, have you ever heard of those things called "families" ? ): those things you make after you get tired of the sluts? ![]() | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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GoSexyPerli
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ObsoleteLogic
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doCrepuS
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Life isn't all fun and games. BUT IT SURE WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WERE EH? | ||
Capn
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Vicious)Soul
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Cheez
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BigBalls
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On August 06 2003 20:33 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Or in the case of your parents nazgul, the mistake t.t roflmao, but his sister definitely WASNT a mistake ![]() | ||
Capn
United States539 Posts
On August 06 2003 19:26 Vharon wrote: he asked a question.. "Is it ok to like a slut?" i was just saying... NO it's not ok. =] What's wrong with that? If you like her, you like her. | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
Now ignore all of these kids posting shit about how you should not have sex cuz it's wrong and the other ones saying you should be a man and go for it. This isn't exactly a topic you should present to a buncha SC nerds. | ||
FridayLove
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ObsoleteLogic
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On August 06 2003 20:45 Vicious)Soul wrote: More seriously, to answer the question, you obviously like her Now ignore all of these kids posting shit about how you should not have sex cuz it's wrong and the other ones saying you should be a man and go for it. This isn't exactly a topic you should present to a buncha SC nerds. You are better.... how? | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
didn't claim to be but at least everyone else here is just giving advice, you're trying to force an ideal down his throat and that's not exactly the most moral action either. | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 20:47 YouTopia[SB] wrote: Hahahha BigBalls's comments are fun to read just because of that spacebar :-o dude the spacebar is driving me nuts, its fine right now, but it was having its period before. The L key is worse. LLL = hitting L 10 times | ||
imRadu
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 19:03 Maenander wrote: So sex is all "objectification" in ur eyes. Hmmm. Not for me. No; sex between two people who sincerely love each other is not. However, I feel as though there is some discord on what mine and your defintions of love would be. In my eyes: The only thing that is truely 100% ours, that can't be taken away from us, is our will (except perhaps by death, but no one knows). You can give someone your mind, your body, all your thoughts, everything in the world, but all of that can be taken away, perverted, twisted, or turned malign. Thus the only thing you can really give someone, that no one else can stop you from, is your will. To go ahead and make the choice to continue acting with love towards that person, even though you don't feel like it. Because, face it - some days, some weeks, months, or even years, you may not feel like it. Ask any couple that has been together long enough, and they'll say that its true. In archaic languages, such as Greek and Aramaic, they had multiple words for "love"; eros - physical, philios - fraternal, and agave (agape) - choice. Conclusion - Love, true love, has all three qualities. Each requires the other to function as it should, within the whole. | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:07 ObsoleteLogic wrote: No; sex between two people who sincerely love each other is not. However, I feel as though there is some discord on what mine and your defintions of love would be. In my eyes: The only thing that is truely 100% ours, that can't be taken away from us, is our will (except perhaps by death, but no one knows). You can give someone your mind, your body, all your thoughts, everything in the world, but all of that can be taken away, perverted, twisted, or turned malign. Thus the only thing you can really give someone, that no one else can stop you from, is your will. To go ahead and make the choice to continue acting with love towards that person, even though you don't feel like it. Because, face it - some days, some weeks, months, or even years, you may not feel like it. Ask any couple that has been together long enough, and they'll say that its true. In archaic languages, such as Greek and Aramaic, they had multiple words for "love"; eros - physical, philios - fraternal, and agave (agape) - choice. Conclusion - Love, true love, has all three qualities. Each requires the other to function as it should, within the whole. whats the difference between lust love and true love? | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 20:59 Vicious)Soul wrote: didn't claim to be but at least everyone else here is just giving advice, you're trying to force an ideal down his throat and that's not exactly the most moral action either. I'm not trying to force it down his throat, and the manner in which I am speaking is no different than BigBalls. You just disagree with me, so you resort to the age old attack of, essentially, calling me a moral fascist. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:11 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Lust is purely physical. True love is physical, fraternal (not actually brotherly, but, you know what I mean. The love you have for a friend), and the love of choice (so that you act within the first two even when you don't feel like it) wrong, spitting, swallowing and gargling muahahhahaha | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
What you say is true. But remember that the majority of human beings will forget what love means if they ever even knew, and even more don't care. Don't preach to a crowd that's too hopeless to understand and will only flame you again. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
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Vicious)Soul
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On August 06 2003 21:10 ObsoleteLogic wrote: I'm not trying to force it down his throat, and the manner in which I am speaking is no different than BigBalls. You just disagree with me, so you resort to the age old attack of, essentially, calling me a moral fascist. You're making too many assumptions, i don't disagree with you. I think the best thing for him would not to have sex with this girl and find someone "nicer." Bigballs also isn't exactly presenting his opinion lightly either. I never said what he was doing was right either. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
800th post :O | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:12 BigBalls wrote: wrong, spitting, swallowing and gargling muahahhahaha Your talents I'd assume? | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:17 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Well you certainly insinuated it. Theres a fine line between advice and opinions, but I think its already pretty clearly established that we're hardly even talking about the original post anymore (: 800th post :O Sorry about insinuation, I just honestly think it's more important for him to make his own choice than to give him our moral opinions, because he hasn't exactly led our lives. People never learn from the lives of others. And Bigballs is right about one thing, if he does go out and do this, he'll at least learn something | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:19 Vicious)Soul wrote: People never learn from the lives of others. Thats a pretty naive statement, don't you think? What else is history for, then? | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:24 ObsoleteLogic wrote: The founding fathers of our country weren't individuals? Gandhi, Joan of Arc, Henry VIII, Luther, Calvin, Muhammed, Constantine, Jesus, Moses?!?!? Please (: Any basis in character education is based around the strong examples of individuals who accomplished great things; society is reflective only of those individuals which it is comprised of. im going to learn a lot more if i try something and fail than if someone tells me it doesnt work or i read something from 3000 years ago that failed. | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:27 BigBalls wrote: im going to learn a lot more if i try something and fail than if someone tells me it doesnt work or i read something from 3000 years ago that failed. Exactly. People just can't work from the lives of others, assuming they were right, even if they were! Our moral basis is comprised off of our own experiences, and at best, guided by others, but not chosen by it | ||
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On August 06 2003 21:29 BigBalls wrote: how about all those eastern religions that have men at a certain age going out into a forest for weeks on end to find them true selves? people going to the edge of life, starving themselves, almost dying, just to find out what someone else who did it could tell them? You ever read Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse? | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:29 Vicious)Soul wrote: Bigballs, I find it surprising that we're arguing the same point. Maybe I shouldn't i think its safe to say this is the fastest growing thread in the history of TL (minus the play by play starleague stuff) i type something and by the time i post it you have already posted the same thing :/ | ||
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Vicious)Soul
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On August 06 2003 21:30 BigBalls wrote: i think its safe to say this is the fastest growing thread in the history of TL (minus the play by play starleague stuff) i type something and by the time i post it you have already posted the same thing :/ hehe, sorry | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:26 Vicious)Soul wrote: Society is comprised of individuals, but it doesn't work backwards. The society created by the individuals isn't the individual, but that's the best we have to work off of. And on the indivudal level, it's not good enough One piece of a puzzle with the wrong image can make the whole puzzle look bad; similarly, one bad person in a group makes the group, as a whole, depreciate in value. Not that the others are bad as individuals, but by association with the one corrupted individual... you get the picture. | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:31 esk0 wrote: go have a church wedding or whatever... ooooh, i'm sorry to work off a sarcastic comment, but I'm engaged!!! Congrats to me! or just don't care...I don't really midn either way | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:30 ObsoleteLogic wrote: I really don't know where you're pulling this from. My life has been most inspired by others examples. And while its true that we can't understand the motives behind every action, we can understand their actions themselves. I mean, maybe Constantine was really just looking to A: get rich and B: get his mother off his back, but what he did put an end to thousands of brutal deaths, and terrible suffering in the Roman Empire. And when you give advice, it can be based off what other people have told you/written as well. I'm not just going off my limited personal experience, but that of my large family and the writings of philosophers and such. then try and use augustine as an example. He had SO MUCH TROUBLE converting to christianity. He knew what he wanted, he knew what everyone told him, but he just had to find it out for himself. It was a self discovery, something everyone should go through. Not advocating a religious passage for everyone, but people should discover things for themselves instead of having it passed onto them from others. However, the side obsolete is arguing isnt bad either. "The only reason I have accomplished anything is because I stood on the shoulders of giants" - Newton...gotta run, id love to talk about this more but one of my coworkers is PISSED. cya | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:33 ObsoleteLogic wrote: One piece of a puzzle with the wrong image can make the whole puzzle look bad; similarly, one bad person in a group makes the group, as a whole, depreciate in value. Not that the others are bad as individuals, but by association with the one corrupted individual... you get the picture. And that's what makes it hard forindividuals to look off of even other individuals. That which we see of other individuals is the entire collection of who they are, and their morals on a thousand different things mingle indefinitely to become a whole. | ||
DReaMe
United States337 Posts
alcohol as a reason to _NOT_ get sex? hahahahaha | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:33 BigBalls wrote: However, the side obsolete is arguing isnt bad either. "The only reason I have accomplished anything is because I stood on the shoulders of giants" - Newton So true, we can't live with just one or the other. Like I said, the examples of others can serve as a guide, which we really need pretty often, but without experiencing things for ourselves, our understanding of the reasons behind our own morals is diminished | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
For BB, when you get back, Augustine made the choice himself; of course. No one can choose anything for you (refer to my earlier point regarding your Will/Love). But he was influenced by others around him. Particularly Ambrose, whose sermons did a great deal to help Augustine question his lifestyle and beliefs. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
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Ion)Positive
Morocco1389 Posts
Seems most men think of girls as cock mittens but i'm glad there are still some real men alive. ![]() | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:37 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: ObseleteLogic wrote This guy is 16. He went to a mates house and touched up a girl. She wanted him to. If they officially date, then there might be a bit more to it. They might have to, you know, talk more and spend money. They might just have a bit of fun in the park or after class, like most teen couples. They might go chill on the wall watching the sk8rs. But, I can assure you, sex for fun is not an inherently bad thing. Ten billion people will tell you this. Ten billion people have gone through fun and hardship, and I'm pretty sure most would prefer that little extra risk[1] if it meant they can have their cock sucked one more time. And dude, this guy isn't even talking about dating seriously. He wants some pussy. It's not taking advantage. The bird was on HIM, remember. Don't be daft. Okay, I'm gonna go read the rest of this garbage :p [1] OMG THEY MITE HAEV A FIGHT AND BRAKE UP AFTER TOO WEKEKS WTF You aren't reading enough into the words. He's not just in there for pure sex, he seems to actually want a real relationship, otherwise, he woulda just fucked her and not even bothered to post this. Not everyone's emothionally numb from bad relationship experiences | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:39 C)R wrote: can u guys get any more nerdy beating the shit outta this thing? we're on a different topic, it's just too incovenient to go to a new thread | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:36 DReaMe wrote: that was fucking hilariuos, you little pussy...hahaha alcohol as a reason to _NOT_ get sex? hahahahaha Another buy-in to the stereotypes of teen life. Wake up buddy | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:41 Ion)Positive wrote: I only read about the first 10 posts, but from what I read I say "nice" to ObsoleteLogic. Seems most men think of girls as cock mittens but i'm glad there are still some real men alive. ![]() Heheheh. Take that, sexually driven punks! | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
810? Didn't I just hit 800 a few minutes ago? ): | ||
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Liquid`Ninja
Canada27 Posts
If a girl desires you, and you desire her too, and youre both okay with getting more intimate, then why not have sex? I do NOT agree with obsolete logic with almost everything he says, in that... his approach with relationships sounds so politically correct, so right, it's like so respectful I can smell boredom from a mile away! Anyways I do realize no matter what people will tell you, you can't reason with attraction and love. If I am in love with a girl, and my friends tell me not to... It's not like it's a choice or anything, if I feel attracted to her it's not like I've chosen to, attraction is not a choice. It just happens for reasons unknown, you can try to reason with love all you want... but in the end, if you havent learned this yet... then you havent learned anything at all. But, yes in a long term relationship love can become a choice... in that you have to consciously choose to love your partner, because you cannot always feel this love... 24/7 365 days a year... if you dont have fun while you are young... you wont acquire and gain as much experience and maturity as if you did. and i should know ![]() | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
"Another buy-in to the stereotypes of teen life. Wake up buddy" Sad, isn't it? | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:46 Liquid`Ninja wrote: I do NOT agree with obsolete logic with almost everything he says, in that... his approach with relationships sounds so politically correct, so right, it's like so respectful I can smell boredom from a mile away! You need sex to make your life not boring? Sucks to be you | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:46 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Haha. I work at home. Its wonderful (: "Another buy-in to the stereotypes of teen life. Wake up buddy" Sad, isn't it? eh, too common to be sad anymore | ||
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
I just fell into what I warned you of in the start of this, preaching to a crowd that doesn't care Eh, thanks for the comvo Obsolete, it's nice to think every once in a while | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:46 Liquid`Ninja wrote: I do NOT agree with obsolete logic with almost everything he says, in that... his approach with relationships sounds so politically correct, so right, it's like so respectful I can smell boredom from a mile away! Ahh! I have good, virtuous qualities! Whats wrong with me! I must be American or something ): | ||
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Vicious)Soul
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On August 06 2003 21:52 GoSexyPerli wrote: NTC_LUKE Mr.Korean(lol) you have to realize that most people on this forum probably aernt religous =[ You forget that to a christian, hell exists whether or not you're religious | ||
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Liquid`Ninja
Canada27 Posts
at least im enjoying my life now where did i mention that i needed sex to not make my life boring? i was stating how his approach to relationships sound so boring... objectify... using examples from 3000 years old roman empires... wth dude? its good to have morals and all, but. you should know... that it is all for the kid's own good for him to acquire as much experience as he can, it will serve him later in life | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:54 Vicious)Soul wrote: You forget that to a christian, hell exists whether or not you're religious And to a primative baptist, if you touch alcohol you're going to hell. Fortunately, I'm Irish Catholic. We believe if you don't bring at least a 6 pack, you don't get into heaven. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:55 Liquid`Ninja wrote: sure does! at least im enjoying my life now where did i mention that i needed sex to not make my life boring? i was stating how his approach to relationships sound so boring... objectify... using examples from 3000 years old roman empires... wth dude? its good to have morals and all, but. you should know... that it is all for the kid's own good for him to acquire as much experience as he can, it will serve him later in life Not all experiences are good, you know. Good can come out of them, but that doesn't make them good in and of themselves. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:56 Ion)Positive wrote: I don't understand why not being religious means its worth the risk. I mean if your a murderer is it really worth it even if you don't believe it that there is a chance you will suffer forever as a consequence of your actions.. But its still worth it not to live a good and honest life? Its called Pascal's Wager (acting morally even though you don't believe in religion) | ||
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Ion)Positive
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On August 06 2003 22:19 Imperium wrote: it's hard to have a serious relationship with a slut unless your a pimp? | ||
bASesinAtOR
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BlackJack
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
On August 06 2003 15:16 GoSexyPerli wrote: Big Balls = genious Muhweli = homo of course her house's name isnt kate you gay.=[ stop trying to make things hard... just get off battle.net for a week or so and you might see what i mean with this post. And i see more " off the wall" subjects on this forum then the one i made so just stfu =[ Haha, you're funny. I suppose you should too rethink your life from some points. I mean if you get mad of that house name thingie, you're obviously in a need of relaxing vacation or that sex this whole post is about. If you can't make up your mind whether you want to be with this girl or not, you obviously don't like her enough... If she is known to be what you refer as a "slut", you can still go and try it out. Maybe she'll dump, maybe you will do that to her. You're still young (lol), but can you really claim that you have this what you call "life" if you come to ask Team Liquid Forums whether you should go date with some sexy ass girl who seems to like you at least to some level... I MEAN C'MON! | ||
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My suggestion: make your pee-pee turn boner, then stick it inside of her. | ||
A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
You're a fucking moron. Not about whether or not you want to have sex, but the fact that you call this girl a slut. Girls can't want to have sex without you calling them derogatory names? People don't fit that small of a category. Go have sex, but fuck man, why would you call a girl your going to have sex with a slut? It just shows how small minded you are. Besides, your post is more than likely a story anyway. Why did you even need to ask the question, you are 16 and can't decide on your own? Heh. Right. | ||
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NuclearAntelope
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On August 07 2003 01:30 story wrote: you're 16 and only in biology? you live in the ivory coast and have a computer? come on :[ | ||
ObsoleteLogic
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MusiK[WG]
United States54 Posts
And to obsolete Logic i understand everythin ur sayin but this is the wrong crowd or ppl for ur msg. Preach on sir ![]() And about my signature, its not the way i feel about relationships, its how my ex made me see things, i loved her and i was under the impression she loved me too, I was surpriswed when she left me cuz of a little mistake i made, which if u ask anyone that knows me and her, wasn't grounds for breakin up. that is why i came up with that signature. I honestly don't know if there is real love the way shit turned uot with me and her, my signature is sorta lookin at things from her side or a product of what she did to me. i know i'll fall in love with someone else somday and that might be true love...who knows...ok im goin offcourse here so im out... 1 | ||
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story
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im "owned." and nuclear, i just picked a random country, i have no idea where ivory coast is. | ||
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Rekrul
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On August 07 2003 02:19 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: I want Rekrul to post in this thread, then things will be interesting... I already did. | ||
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Rekrul
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Everyone of your ignorance filled posts are annoying :[ I do not judge people by their belief in Christianity + other religions. But I do judge their intelligence off of those beliefs. You sir, are lacking. jk;ladsfjdsakl;dfajdsakl;j | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 06 2003 21:48 Vicious)Soul wrote: lol owned.. You need sex to make your life not boring? Sucks to be you | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 07 2003 01:01 travis wrote: i didn't read much of this, i stopped when obsoletelogic started making stupid ass posts. My suggestion: make your pee-pee turn boner, then stick it inside of her. you're an idiot. | ||
Kobayashi
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![]() Obsolete: you think you are defending woman yet you fail to see them as human beings ("take advantage of the girl" ) woman are allowed to enjoy meaningless sex, they are allowed to make their own decisions and not everyone needs to "take advantage" of them to have meaningless sex. GoSexyPerli: You're vision of woman is not that better considering you're are describing that girl as a "slut" because she's "friendly" to other guys, I bet if one of your friends is "friendly" to a lot of girls you'll think of him as a stud and a role model for you... Bottom line, as long as you don't cheat/mislead the other person to have meaningless sex there's nothing wrong with it, it's fun, it's good for your body and mind ![]() | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 07 2003 05:01 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Obsolete I thought you were gunna stop posting after your little tournament? Everyone of your ignorance filled posts are annoying :[ I do not judge people by their belief in Christianity + other religions. But I do judge their intelligence off of those beliefs. You sir, are lacking. jk;ladsfjdsakl;dfajdsakl;j If you can't see how he is intelligent then you my good sir are lacking too... | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 05:21 Ion)Positive wrote: Do you _love_ her? If you do then go ahead and do whatever you want with her. he isn't talking about love, he's talking about sex, let's not mix the two | ||
GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
Of course you're 16, what would you know? eh? ;P | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 05:24 ProudToBeANoob wrote: there is no girl on this site ? I think a girl's advice could bring more to anybody here than those ceaseless freeposts... give me one good reason why | ||
Ion)Positive
Morocco1389 Posts
On August 07 2003 05:24 ProudToBeANoob wrote: there is no girl on this site ? I think a girl's advice could bring more to anybody here than those ceaseless freeposts... ...That was pretty ignorant. There are numerous girls that activly use this forum. Emlary is an example. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
My mistake, I found your post, funny. I personally wouldn't because it would spoil the experience with whoever you end up marrying, because it wouldn't be "special". Also, there is the STD risk. But I really don't give a shit what you do. Just remember, use the rubber ![]() | ||
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harhar
United States37 Posts
if monkeys can do it then we can too | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:59 harhar wrote: if monkeys can do it then we can too with you as a sad sad exception | ||
x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:59 harhar wrote: logic is a pussy. just fuck her. its pussy. if monkeys can do it then we can too I'm glad you are trying to reduce us to that level. If Logic is a pussy you should just fuck him then, maybe you will be kept busy and never make another sorry ass post like that again. | ||
harhar
United States37 Posts
On August 07 2003 08:06 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: I'm glad you are trying to reduce us to that level. If Logic is a pussy you should just fuck him then, maybe you will be kept busy and never make another sorry ass post like that again. i would fuck him, but he's too loose | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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On August 07 2003 07:27 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: I personally wouldn't because it would spoil the experience with whoever you end up marrying, because it wouldn't be "special". Also, there is the STD risk. But I really don't give a shit what you do. Just remember, use the rubber ![]() Omgh wtf you gotta be kidding! This is 2 0 0 3 and you wanna wait untill you get married?!?!?!? No offence, actually lots of respect for you man but no? If you want to marry virgin you would probably want to marry a virgin as well - well you just eliminated 99.99% of the western women. And STD risk? If you are gonna worry about that all the time - you'll never have any fun ![]() Oh and my advice to thread starter - sex her. use a condom if she is not on the pill. Have fun, and get serious if you want to. You can't play the love game safe, there is always the chance of getting hurt, so are you gonna stay off in fear of getting hurt? Bad idea. | ||
MaZgOt
Australia58 Posts
Make sure u use a condom and make sure she washes her cunt. and also make sure she understands that it's supposed to be a fun relationships. You'll be amazed how bitchy chicks get after they've fucked a guy.. they think they own him or something.. unless of course u do a good job and she likes it so much that she becomes your slave... this is the best. I.E. My best friend's girlfriend told him "I like it when you insult me sometime in front of friends" WHY ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT IS BEYOND ME.. but then again my friend is a fairly tall long dicked guy... and sex is sex.. so go for it.. seriously... DO U WANK? YES. WOULD SHE FUCK ANOTHER GUY? YES. SO SHE'S FUKCING OTHER GUYS AND YOU'RE WANKING... I'D RATHER REPLACE WANKING WITH FUCKING AND THE "OTHER GUYS" WITH YOU :D | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 11:27 MaZgOt wrote: If this girl is so friendly then u have to watch out for sexually transmitted diseases... VD, gonnaria etc. (not to mention aids although at that age they havent copped enough roots to get aids). Make sure u use a condom and make sure she washes her cunt. and also make sure she understands that it's supposed to be a fun relationships. You'll be amazed how bitchy chicks get after they've fucked a guy.. they think they own him or something.. unless of course u do a good job and she likes it so much that she becomes your slave... this is the best. I.E. My best friend's girlfriend told him "I like it when you insult me sometime in front of friends" WHY ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT IS BEYOND ME.. but then again my friend is a fairly tall long dicked guy... and sex is sex.. so go for it.. seriously... DO U WANK? YES. WOULD SHE FUCK ANOTHER GUY? YES. SO SHE'S FUKCING OTHER GUYS AND YOU'RE WANKING... I'D RATHER REPLACE WANKING WITH FUCKING AND THE "OTHER GUYS" WITH YOU :D you describe this girl as the lowest possible example of a human being just because she sleeps around, yet anyone can see by your post that you would fuck any girl you could find...aren't you the hypocrite | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 07 2003 11:36 Kobayashi wrote: you describe this girl as the lowest possible example of a human being just because she sleeps around, yet anyone can see by your post that you would fuck any girl you could find...aren't you the hypocrite ooowwwnnneeeedddd =] | ||
Abang_Zealot
Indonesia866 Posts
![]() hm.. imo ppl who cant stay virgin till theyre married are weak. not just coz of my religious belief but also anyway there are still plenty of asian women around ![]() | ||
Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 11:36 Kobayashi wrote: you describe this girl as the lowest possible example of a human being just because she sleeps around, yet anyone can see by your post that you would fuck any girl you could find...aren't you the hypocrite ![]() | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 12:24 Abang_Zealot wrote: "Omgh wtf you gotta be kidding! This is 2 0 0 3 and you wanna wait untill you get married?!?!?!? No offence, actually lots of respect for you man but no? If you want to marry virgin you would probably want to marry a virgin as well - well you just eliminated 99.99% of the western women. And STD risk? If you are gonna worry about that all the time - you'll never have any fun ![]() hm.. imo ppl who cant stay virgin till theyre married are weak. not just coz of my religious belief but also anyway there are still plenty of asian women around ![]() That made less sense than a kender. | ||
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Bill307
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Canada9103 Posts
Anyways, Perli, I can't give any specific advice on what to do with this girl because it would depend mainly on what you'd be looking to "get out of her", so to speak. So depending on what you want, this is what I'd recommend: - You want a serious and deep relationship of any kind = she isn't for you. - You want any kind of lasting, long term relationship = nope, not her. - You want sex but no actual emotional attachment = go for it. - You want both sex and an emotional attachment as well = depends on how much you want the sex + how little you care about the emotional attachment being mutual. So basically, she can be summed up like this: the only thing she'll ever give you is sex, and while you might feel an emotional attachment to her, the feeling will never be mutual (since the probability that she might develop actual feelings for you is so low that it's virtually null). Oh, and don't get the pleasure of sexual attraction mixed up with what I refer to as "emotional attraction", even though they're both emotions. When I say "emotional attachment", I'm referring to the kind of attachment that you'd develop with a really close friend, someone that you care about (and hopefully vice-versa). I think that this is also what ObsoleteLogic referred to as "fraternal love". In short, the problem with liking a girl like her is that the feeling will never be mutual. If this isn't a problem for you (which probably means that you're only interested in a relationship for sex), then go right ahead (bearing in mind risks such as STDs or pregnancy, of course). If you're looking for a mutual (in terms of "emotional" or "fraternal" love) relationship, then look somewhere else. Lastly, if you're looking for a mutual relationship but desire for sex is strong enough or too strong, then you'll probably choose to go with it even though you're not going to get a mutual relationship, because the sexual benefit is worth it. Alright, now that that's taken care of, I'll address another issue raised in this topic: is it right to have sex in this situation? My answer to this question is that it depends almost entirely on the participants' views on sex (with considerations for consequences such as STDs or pregnancy, of course). Since it's already pretty clear that Kate would've wanted to have sex, we'll shift the focus to Perli. In my opinion, whether or not it would have been right for Perli to have sex with Kate depends solely on how he feels about sex. From his replies in this topic, it was pretty clear that he didn't see it as anything special, and so I wrote my reply to his question accordingly. However, if it was Nex[Chap]Reaper asking for advice, then I would have told him to avoid having sex with her, since he would like to save the experience until he can share it with the woman for whom he feels true love and vice-versa. For him, it would bring far more pleasure (on the whole) to wait for the right person than to simply go with whoever comes along. It's actually quite simple why I believe that there is no absolute right or wrong in this question. Chances are, Perli and almost all of the guys on this forum will be happier having sex whenever the opportunity arises, so why would I tell them that they should wait until they can share it with their soulmate if this won't bring them as much pleasure? It all depends on the person's ethics, how emotional / affected by emotions they are, and their sex drive. This would also determine where they should draw the line in terms of sexual contact. As far as I can tell, that's all there is to it. ... Well, I shouldn't say that yet, as I have yet to address ObsoleteLogic's viewpoint. However, I'm tired and desiring of sleep at the moment, so I'll wait until tomorrow to read over all his posts and formulate an opinion and a reply. Now, there is one final point which I'd like to address: Omgh wtf you gotta be kidding! This is 2 0 0 3 and you wanna wait untill you get married?!?!?!? No offence, actually lots of respect for you man but no? If you want to marry virgin you would probably want to marry a virgin as well - well you just eliminated 99.99% of the western women. Speaking from my point of view (because that comment would apply to myself as well), it is true that such a condition would eliminate "99.99%" (it's not an actual statistic, but it gets the point across) of the western women. But, fortunately, "99.99%" of those women eliminated would also have been eliminated for personality reasons, anyways. In fact, the kind of person that I'm looking for is probably so much of a restriction that it eliminates more western women than the desire to marry a virgin, including virtually all non-virgin women. Furthermore, I've already met several girls (2 online, 1 IRL) who fit the personality requirements very well, and I'm good friends with them all (although the online ones are significantly older and younger than I am and both have boyfriends already, while the one IRL has overly-cautious parents who won't let her be friends with any boy until she's 20, and she's very obedient to them =/). All those women were met within the course of the last couple of years, so there's a good chance that I'll meet even more women that I get along really well with later on. So basically, whatever the percentage of women is with whom I wouldn't have a chance, there's still a good number of women left ![]() Well, finally. Now I can go to sleep... PS: Wait, just a quick note about STDs. Aids, Hepatitis, and Herpes cannot be cured, so if you get stuck with one those, you're stuck with it for life. Then there's Gonnohrea (or however it's spelled) which, as I learned, would require a tool to be inserted up your penis to take a sample of its inner lining to confirm the infection's prescence. In brief, you want to avoid STDs like your life depends on it (and in some cases, it does). | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 13:56 Bill307 wrote: PS: Wait, just a quick note about STDs. Aids, Hepatitis, and Herpes cannot be cured, so if you get stuck with one those, you're stuck with it for life. Then there's Gonnohrea (or however it's spelled) which, as I learned, would require a tool to be inserted up your penis to take a sample of its inner lining to confirm the infection's prescence. In brief, you want to avoid STDs like your life depends on it (and in some cases, it does). Gonohrrea can now be tested by urine sample. And my stance on STD's is not so good, I know. I could not care less. I sleep with random girls maybe twice a month average. Most norwegian girls are on the pill, and condoms suck anyway - so why would I care when I'm drunk and she's drunk and we only want to have a good time. I used a condom once in my life. I know so very well the danger of STD's, and how they can ruin my life, but as stated; I could not care less. That would explain why am not the person to get advice from on this matter ![]() | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 07 2003 05:01 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Obsolete I thought you were gunna stop posting after your little tournament? Everyone of your ignorance filled posts are annoying :[ I do not judge people by their belief in Christianity + other religions. But I do judge their intelligence off of those beliefs. You sir, are lacking. jk;ladsfjdsakl;dfajdsakl;j NICE! I love your horrible grammar whilst belittling my intelligence, ye harlequin! Now, explain to me how old fashioned values are creating a depravity in my intellect? I, unlike some of you, have a brain in addition to a cock; and I figured out which is supposed to be for thinking. P.S., as for an earlier comment regarding the downfall of the Roman Empire, military service was avoided by young men who sought to enjoy the pleasures of the high life. The army was downsized, not trained as well (leniency in the officers - they came from the same generation as the whiny soldiers, after all), and with a lack of fighting spirit. | ||
iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
On August 07 2003 14:29 ObsoleteLogic wrote: NICE! I love your horrible grammar whilst belittling my intelligence, ye harlequin! Now, explain to me how old fashioned values are creating a depravity in my intellect? I, unlike some of you, have a brain in addition to a cock; and I figured out which is supposed to be for thinking. P.S., as for an earlier comment regarding the downfall of the Roman Empire, military service was avoided by young men who sought to enjoy the pleasures of the high life. The army was downsized, not trained as well (leniency in the officers - they came from the same generation as the whiny soldiers, after all), and with a lack of fighting spirit. (o)h (m)y (g)od stop talking! (Ban) | ||
SillyCat
United States960 Posts
On August 07 2003 13:56 Bill307 wrote: Anyways, Perli, I can't give any specific advice on what to do with this girl because it would depend mainly on what you'd be looking to "get out of her", so to speak. So depending on what you want, this is what I'd recommend: | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 07 2003 14:29 ObsoleteLogic wrote: NICE! I love your horrible grammar whilst belittling my intelligence, ye harlequin! Now, explain to me how old fashioned values are creating a depravity in my intellect? I, unlike some of you, have a brain in addition to a cock; and I figured out which is supposed to be for thinking. P.S., as for an earlier comment regarding the downfall of the Roman Empire, military service was avoided by young men who sought to enjoy the pleasures of the high life. The army was downsized, not trained as well (leniency in the officers - they came from the same generation as the whiny soldiers, after all), and with a lack of fighting spirit. rekrul got owned | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
idiot... | ||
esk0
Sweden1393 Posts
that's how you did it in the good old days but not anymore | ||
iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
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Staind
Canada59 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:00 Staind wrote: Going out with someone just for sex is pretty low. fucking good friends. not unusual at all. and as long as both agree on the concept, why not? | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
The devil commands you to That is all | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:00 Staind wrote: Going out with someone just for sex is pretty low. why oh why can't a girl be interested in "going out just for sex"? it's not "low" wanting to have sex, what's low is deceiving someone in order to have sex, to put sex in front of other things that should have priority in your life, now that's "thinking with your cock" like obsolete said, that is not however what is being discussed. | ||
TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:35 TeCh)PsylO wrote: if kate was 25 it would be reasonable to just have some sex. im assuming kate is 16. that is not reasonable. actually I think a person at 25 is probably thinking about a more serious relationship, planning your future with someone...I think you get my point. At 16/17/18 it's much more reasonable to just have sex, enjoy your youth, etc etc just my opinion ![]() | ||
TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote: im thinking along the lines of mauturity levels. a 16 year old girl that is already sleeping around probably has some emotional issues. i dont think it is best to add to that problem. ...actually, yeah..16 is pretty young, but hey he's 16 too and I don't see anyone saying he has emotional issues because he want's to sleep with her (even though girls mature a lot faster than man, so he is even more imature than she is...) | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote: im thinking along the lines of mauturity levels. a 16 year old girl that is already sleeping around probably has some emotional issues. i dont think it is best to add to that problem. Maybe she enjoys it? I could could probably find ten 16 year old girls who enjoys sex just for the sex - by tomorrow. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 07 2003 14:29 ObsoleteLogic wrote: NICE! I love your horrible grammar whilst belittling my intelligence, ye harlequin! Now, explain to me how old fashioned values are creating a depravity in my intellect? I, unlike some of you, have a brain in addition to a cock; and I figured out which is supposed to be for thinking. P.S., as for an earlier comment regarding the downfall of the Roman Empire, military service was avoided by young men who sought to enjoy the pleasures of the high life. The army was downsized, not trained as well (leniency in the officers - they came from the same generation as the whiny soldiers, after all), and with a lack of fighting spirit. All I'm saying is that if you believe in one of those religions there is something wrong with your brain : - ). | ||
C)R
Canada549 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote: im thinking along the lines of mauturity levels. a 16 year old girl that is already sleeping around probably has some emotional issues. i dont think it is best to add to that problem. agreed, that is why any real relationship should be avoided. You don't see many long term relationships starting at 16 anyway. Take advantage, have sex once or twice and move on. | ||
InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3470 Posts
From what i read in your posts you dont have a serious crush on that girl but just like her and her looks. It would be rather stupid to look for a serious relationship with that girl, but it would also be stupid not to do what you both want if you dont care that she will most probably do it with other guys too. | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:44 [pG]Rekrul wrote: All I'm saying is that if you believe in one of those religions there is something wrong with your brain : - ). or hes just afraid of death to the point where it controls his life, aka something wrong with his brain :[ love you obso | ||
GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:44 [pG]Rekrul wrote: All I'm saying is that if you believe in one of those religions there is something wrong with your brain : - ). Insulting someone because they believe in a certain religion (or any religion) doesn't make you look any smarter :-0 | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 07 2003 17:21 iGgs wrote: what is the term applied when someone believes there is a god but has no religion ![]() stupid edit: thats not nice. ill amend it. naive | ||
sword_siege
United States624 Posts
On August 06 2003 16:50 [pG]Rekrul wrote: All guys are sluts, why can't girls be? Basically, it's a "cheap sperm, expensive eggs" reason. Guys can be as slutty as they want but they'll never get pregenant and have to care for a kid for 15 (and in Rekrul's case 25 years). | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 07 2003 17:27 sword_siege wrote: Basically, it's a "cheap sperm, expensive eggs" reason. Guys can be as slutty as they want but they'll never get pregenant and have to care for a kid for 15 (and in Rekrul's case 25 years). you are soooooooo lucky I'm not an admin here... | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 07 2003 17:21 iGgs wrote: what is the term applied when someone believes there is a god but has no religion ![]() The closest to that is Agnostic. That is where you acknowledge there could or couldn't be a god, but you have no way of knowing because all humans are incapable of understanding or knowing about higher powers. | ||
iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
i fall under that catagory. | ||
expostfacto
United States365 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
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Daniel
United States20 Posts
is it ok to like a slut? You have already announced by your own thread topic that you admit it would be immoral, as the word 'slut' in the first place has that negative connotation attached to it. You apparently aren't interested in discussing morality, but rather looking for thumbs up from the penis gallery. So then, "is it ok" doesn't really mean anything other than a subjective preference claim, so, to answer the question, who cares. | ||
x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
expo's right, people who believe in God but don't have religion are just deists why the hell is this thread still here and why the hell am I still talking? the kid's probably already fucked the girl 10 times over... | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 07 2003 17:27 sword_siege wrote: Basically, it's a "cheap sperm, expensive eggs" reason. Guys can be as slutty as they want but they'll never get pregenant and have to care for a kid for 15 (and in Rekrul's case 25 years). Excessive retard policy plz? | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
On August 07 2003 19:36 Kobayashi wrote: Just because she likes sex she's incapable of maintaing a long relationship and doesn't deserve to be loved? Well then 95% of all man fall into that category too. i said nothing of this sort.. im giving advice directly about perli, and am being age specific. and yes many men are "sluts", but ask any decent woman what they think of those men... | ||
Element)LoGiC
Canada1143 Posts
But then again, even if you want her for different reasons, she's still an object. Sex is among thousands of other things that you could say "objectify" a person. If you find a nice girl, and you like this kindness, then isn't she an object in the same way? She could have said "no" and nothing would happen, or she could take these boys to her room and let them feel her up( oh wait, that's what she did). Stop being a pussy. You want to deny a person of their natural human wants? Go ahead, with yourself. Your going to be an interesting person when you grow up. As for perli, only you truly know this girl. Only you can make a decision. You can take all the advice you want, but your only gonna hear what you wanna hear. So your decision is already made. Have sex with the girl, get some experience, and live your life they way you want to. | ||
GGoroDaimon
United States22 Posts
i don't think obsolete can think about all that he said in this forum if he was in perli's shoes that night (drunk+willing women) ![]() | ||
esk0
Sweden1393 Posts
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 07 2003 19:41 Daniel wrote: You have already announced by your own thread topic that you admit it would be immoral, as the word 'slut' in the first place has that negative connotation attached to it. You apparently aren't interested in discussing morality, but rather looking for thumbs up from the penis gallery. So then, "is it ok" doesn't really mean anything other than a subjective preference claim, so, to answer the question, who cares. Agreed. Dont think with your dick, please. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 07 2003 21:48 Element)LoGiC wrote: ObseleteLogic, think with your brain, not with your religion. Good morals. I thought the same way, even when i first didn't believe in god. But think of it this way, if she's willing to have sex and is not intoxicated, she is therefore allowing herself to become and object. But then again, even if you want her for different reasons, she's still an object. Sex is among thousands of other things that you could say "objectify" a person. If you find a nice girl, and you like this kindness, then isn't she an object in the same way? She could have said "no" and nothing would happen, or she could take these boys to her room and let them feel her up( oh wait, that's what she did). Stop being a pussy. You want to deny a person of their natural human wants? Go ahead, with yourself. Your going to be an interesting person when you grow up. Just because someone is willing or desires to do something doesn't make it right. It will be hard to continue this discussion without delving into theology, but I will do my best (thats a topic you really can't argue with someone who doesn't have a real interest in it). What you are suggesting is that we, as humans, should give in to our baser instincts with a mild moral guideline (namely, that of consent). RE: Objectification. Kindness - sure, you can abuse it, but if you like a girl for her kindness, thats admiration, rather than objectification (please don't start arguing semantics; look up the words if you need clarification on the difference between the two). An object is something we use to benefit ourselves in some manner. Love is giving our will over to service for another (not in slave-like manner; doing what is in their best interest). Rekrul: I guess all those brilliant people who spent their lives researching religion had things wrong with their brains, too. Obviously you're smarter than Aquinas, Augustine, Ambrose, C.S. Lewis, G. K. Chesterton, and so many, many others. It's a shame they're all dead; I'd love to see you in a debate with any of them. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Not in your case though, you're just a moron who tries to sound smart! : - ) | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
"What you are suggesting is that we, as humans, should give in to our baser instincts" give in? the question you have to ask yourself is why not, why should you fight it? | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
There's a difference between being a man and being a male. | ||
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 08 2003 06:03 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Only if you're homosexual. rofl | ||
Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 08 2003 05:11 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Brilliance and ignorance often go hand in hand :-). Not in your case though, you're just a moron who tries to sound smart! : - ) it's better than saying "FUCK HER MAN! FUCKER HER!!!!!" and sounding like an idot don't you think? | ||
ProudToBeANoob
Thailand54 Posts
agnosticism is not 'to believe in God but without being involved in any religion" but "to think that any metaphysics is pointless"...Totally different ! | ||
StoneR
Spain1252 Posts
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StoneR
Spain1252 Posts
homosexuals sux. go fuck boyz life is about havin fun | ||
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Spain1252 Posts
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doCrepuS
Cook Islands28 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On August 08 2003 06:45 doCrepuS wrote: but if you believe otherwise you are simply wrong. Here is the mentality that makes debating on these forums totally pointless. | ||
doCrepuS
Cook Islands28 Posts
On August 06 2003 18:47 Lockdown- wrote: Obsolete Logic i admire your morals and values ![]() ![]() i completly agree HOW THE FUCK IS IT MORAL TO DENY YOURSELF AND SOMEONE ELSE PLEASURE? Here, I'll make analogy for your small and simple brain: A guy goes out and buys dinner for his family. When he returns home, instead of spreading the food on the table so everybody can have a happy and tasty dining experience, he throws it in the garbage can. Is that moral? No, and neither is not fucking somebody who you want to fuck and wants to be fucked. On August 06 2003 15:03 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Stupid, stupid, and uh... stupid. I know I'm in the extreme minority on this forum, being a conservative, but for god's sake... can't you people keep it in your pants? Think with your head, not with your cock. Not with BigBalls cock, either. By "take advantage of it", he really means, "take advantage of her." If you're going to have cheap, meaningless sex, find a prostitute. That way you're only inflicting idiocy on yourself. Stop trying to act like you're superior to all of us. You have not given any reason at all why not fucking is "moral" and "smart". If the fucking is consentual, it has nothing to do with "taking advantage of somebody". Your name sums up your conservative philosophy well - it is based on religion, and is thus obsolete and ultimately flawed. | ||
MyztiC`Terran
United States374 Posts
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doCrepuS
Cook Islands28 Posts
On August 08 2003 06:49 Klogon wrote: Here is the mentality that makes debating on these forums totally pointless. well I gave my reasons before I stated that. And I do think that obsolete is wrong. So? | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
Although I do agree with Obsolete, that wasn't the point of that post. I was simply pointing out that when somebody says "but if you believe otherwise you are simply wrong." it usually implies a sense of ignorance. And with that type of attitude, you'll get nowhere by debating with them. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 08 2003 06:36 ProudToBeANoob wrote: it will turn into a religious debate, what i felt coming from the first page...And like with every religious debate, proselytism will occur... <b>agnosticism is not 'to believe in God but without being involved in any religion"</b> but "to think that any metaphysics is pointless"...Totally different ! No one ever said that. Thanks for clearing up the lack of a misconception. | ||
doCrepuS
Cook Islands28 Posts
On August 08 2003 07:05 Klogon wrote: You didn't understand me clearly deCrepuS. Although I do agree with Obsolete, that wasn't the point of that post. I was simply pointing out that when somebody says "but if you believe otherwise you are simply wrong." it usually implies a sense of ignorance. And with that type of attitude, you'll get nowhere by debating with them. what's so ignorant about saying obsolete is wrong? I know what he's saying, and I think its fucking stupid. I presented my reasons already, and I fail to see how my attitude will be detrimental to arguing my point. jesus kjs | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
If you're going to bother to argue a point at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look like a bigotted retard. I saw your point and it's the same one that's being made by half the idiots out here, if you had just said it calmly instead of being an asshole about it, we might have listened to you. | ||
GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
On August 08 2003 06:40 Stonerx wrote: lol rekrul i truly agree. homosexuals sux. go fuck boyz life is about havin fun And the closet homosexual makes a COMING OUT STATEMENT!! We have a WINNER :D :D :D :D | ||
collegeBored
United States1524 Posts
On August 06 2003 15:03 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Stupid, stupid, and uh... stupid. I know I'm in the extreme minority on this forum, being a conservative, but for god's sake... can't you people keep it in your pants? Think with your head, not with your cock. Not with BigBalls cock, either. By "take advantage of it", he really means, "take advantage of her." If you're going to have cheap, meaningless sex, find a prostitute. That way you're only inflicting idiocy on yourself. cant agree more, but thats just me, To the original post: if u dont really like her and its purely physical go for it, enjoy yourself. if its more of emotional invovlement dont, ull regret it later | ||
ProudToBeANoob
Thailand54 Posts
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On August 07 2003 17:21 iGgs wrote: what is the term applied when someone believes there is a god but has no religion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The closest to that is Agnostic. [ /QUOTE] it's not even close, that was just my point, but finally, who cares, it's freepost-time anyway... otherwise, what a nice oxymoron that "brillance and ignorance often goes hand in hand" :D you may have wanted to mention 'culture' instead of 'brillance', what i take for 'intelligence' there... but finally, who cares, it's freepost-time anyway...2 the come-back ! | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On August 08 2003 07:36 doCrepuS wrote: what's so ignorant about saying obsolete is wrong? I know what he's saying, and I think its fucking stupid. I presented my reasons already, and I fail to see how my attitude will be detrimental to arguing my point. jesus kjs sigh nevermind | ||
mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Wizzra
Netherlands514 Posts
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On August 08 2003 05:18 Kobayashi wrote: Obsolete you don't objectify a woman in order to have pleasure, you have pleasure with her, or if you prefer, you objectify her and she objectifies you. As long as it's consensual and you and the girl are both aware of the consequences of your actions I really don't understand why you shouldn't do it. You play bw,why? because it's fun,pure and simple, you are not objectifying the other player in a 1v1,you are not using him,why try to make sex look like such a complicated thing,it isn't! you can of course bring std's into discussion but then again...everything in your life involves risk you can never be completly safe as you can't deny yourself everything in order to maintain this safety. "What you are suggesting is that we, as humans, should give in to our baser instincts" give in? the question you have to ask yourself is why not, why should you fight it? You just equated sex, the most intimate physical action any two people can perform, to BW. Somehow, I mark quite a distinction between physical intimacy and a computer game. This is just an example of how desensitized the world has become. Honestly, your post sickens me. Why not resist baser instincts? Well if I didn't, I'd be bashing your head in with a 9-iron right about now. Go to the Zoo, look at the monkeys and the baboons. The ability to overcome our instincts is what keeps us above them. | ||
MrEd
Australia357 Posts
Pretty much if she bending over...give it to her. But dont force her to bend over. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On August 08 2003 16:19 MrEd wrote: But why restrict yourself for the sake of risking yourself? To prove you are better than monkeys? Surely at times I agree that one must restrict the inner animalistic instincts that we humans have due to moral/social/ethical or other reasons. But if nothings holding either of the parties back then, go for it. Pretty much if she bending over...give it to her. But dont force her to bend over. since you bring in so much irrelevant outside shit obso i might as well do the same. freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. People have basic urges which civilization forces us to repress. The further we get towards being totally civilized (perfect morals) the more unhappy we will be. By holding back the things we want to do, we build up guilt. People feel guilty for things they think. Example: I have sex with your sister. You are angry, want to kill me. You then realize murder is wrong, and feel guilty for thinking such an awful thing. This guilt creates unhappiness. If there were no laws preventing murder, you would shoot me twice in the head and think nothing of it. As ive said, the driving force behind things in life is happiness. By restricting ourselves we make ourselves more unhappy, thus detracting from what we are trying to achieve. By upholding strong morals, all one is doing is living in fear of a god who he believes will strike down upon him for living without inhibition. all this really boils down to is a religion argument, and then into subdivisions of how strict the religion is etc. And since everyone should be agnostic (because there is no proof of the existence or non existence of god), then the argument could go on ad infinitum. So lets just call it quits. | ||
ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
Unhappiness from self-reservation only comes so long as you're still focusing on the thing you've restricted yourself from. Good can come from everything, if we let it. To use your example, I could hold on to the thought of, "Oh man, I really want to kill that sonofabitch, but murder is wrong... grr!" Or, the sensible thing, "Well I can't kill him, that'd be wrong, so maybe he'll turn his life around. And maybe it'll wake up my sister." Furthermore, you really showed your ignorance of a religious point of view, which I won't get into for my aforementioned reasons. As for God's existence, there isn't what you call "proof", though there is an awful lot of logic. If you're interested I have a link to these arguments, but I won't bring them into the forum. | ||
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
this post became absolutely worthless about 14 pages ago, and now it's just an oppurtunity for everyone to show their own stupidity I changed my mind, this post was worthless from the moment it was started | ||
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On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: since you bring in so much irrelevant outside shit obso i might as well do the same. freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. People have basic urges which civilization forces us to repress. The further we get towards being totally civilized (perfect morals) the more unhappy we will be. By holding back the things we want to do, we build up guilt. People feel guilty for things they think. Example: I have sex with your sister. You are angry, want to kill me. You then realize murder is wrong, and feel guilty for thinking such an awful thing. This guilt creates unhappiness. If there were no laws preventing murder, you would shoot me twice in the head and think nothing of it. As ive said, the driving force behind things in life is happiness. By restricting ourselves we make ourselves more unhappy, thus detracting from what we are trying to achieve. By upholding strong morals, all one is doing is living in fear of a god who he believes will strike down upon him for living without inhibition. all this really boils down to is a religion argument, and then into subdivisions of how strict the religion is etc. And since everyone should be agnostic (because there is no proof of the existence or non existence of god), then the argument could go on ad infinitum. So lets just call it quits. didn't he also say that dreaming of flying is equivalent to having sex with your mother? maybe I'm thinking of someone else ![]() | ||
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Klogon
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On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. happiness is a choice | ||
Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On August 08 2003 21:30 CHN_Danger wrote: You fucked up yo. If it wuz me and I was drunk. I woulda left that morning knowing i fucked both those bitches The ignorant should not speak... not that that statement is directed at anyone or anything... | ||
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On August 08 2003 16:32 BigBalls wrote: freud basically said the more civilized we get, the more unhappy we become. Freud wanted his mother | ||
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Vharon
United States84 Posts
On August 09 2003 00:09 ObsoleteLogic wrote: This thread was fine before it became, "You're an idiot! Yeah. Idiot! Moron! You're different than me, idiot!" ): Yeah, obsolete is right. The discusiion was fine before people starting flaming obsolete. | ||
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BigBalls: I totally disagree with your post about what Freud said (and consequently Freud himself). First of all, if you did something that strongly angered me, my thought process would not go along the lines of: I want to kill you --> Murder is wrong --> I shouldn't want to kill him, it's wrong --> Unhappiness. Let's assume that I wanted to kill you for something. My thought process would be along the lines of: --> Murder is wrong, maybe I shouldn't kill him --> Murder wouldn't solve anything, [insert mental debate here about what would be the best choice of action] --> I should do [such-and-such] instead. I wouldn't feel guilt at all, and I wouldn't feel unhappiness at not being able to kill you, either. In addition, I don't live in fear of God at all, but uphold strong morals anyway. I do this because I enjoy it: I enjoy making people (myself and others*) happy, and I figure that if I'm doing the right thing, then by definition it's going to result in the best possible outcome and therefore the most happiness on the whole (very much like the utilitarian definition of what is right, although I don't approach moral decisions from the same direction as a utilitarian would). Moreover, if I did kill you, although it would satisfy my instincts, in the end I'd most likely just regret it (unless you were about to shoot me and I had a gun pointing at you already, in which case I wouldn't have a choice). I would derive almost no pleasure from satisfying many such detrimental instincts, because at the same time I'd be hurting someone else, which I would feel bad for. I feel happy and sometimes proud that I don't satisfy unwanted, harmful insticts. Now, I don't know how your or anybody's thought processes flow -- I can't know -- but I'm sure that many people who behave morally do so for more or less the same reason that I do: they feel good about doing what's right (or to be more correct, what I or what they believe is right). If someone were behaving in a moral fashion solely because they're living in fear of God, then I don't think that would be right. Probably better than going around doing whatever they want, of course, but they should be acting morally because they enjoy it, not because it's their "job" or their "duty". I could go off on even further tangents from this, but I won't, to avoid going even further off-topic. Okay, I'm gonna post this now and then respond to ObsoleteLogic's viewpoint (finally), in case the topic gets locked before I finish writing it... * Edit: Just thought I'd elaborate on this a bit, because it's not entirely true. I do not try to make everyone happy all the time or anything ridiculous like that. In general, the more dissatisfied I am with a person, the less pleasure I feel seeing them happy, and the people I outright hate I pretty much don't care about. I still wouldn't kill them for doing something that pissed me off (well, I might if I wasn't thinking rationally, which is pretty common when I'm really pissed off, so...), but mainly out of self-protection and the knowledge that I generally shouldn't kill. So yeah, just wanted to clarify my statement, because I don't want to give the impression that I'm someone who takes "turn the other [face] cheek" to the extreme ![]() | ||
Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On August 09 2003 00:09 ObsoleteLogic wrote: This thread was fine before it became, "You're an idiot! Yeah. Idiot! Moron! You're different than me, idiot!" ): I didn't call you an idiot because you have a diferent opinion, I called you an idiot because you are not capable of defending your views or debate other people's perspectives | ||
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In short, as far as I can tell, ObsoleteLogic's argument appears to be: we should only have sex with the person whom we truly love (physical love, fraternal love, and the love of choice) primarily because we must develop our self-restraint in order to prevent the discipline of society from eroding away, which would ultimately result in humanity destroying itself. Hmm... it is difficult to argue against this concept, as it does seem very solid at the moment. However, I choose to stand by my current beliefs in this area, rather than refraining from sex primarily as a method of self-discipline. I make this choice because I do not feel that I need to refrain from sex or any other highly pleasurable activities solely to strengthen my self-restraint. Therefore, ObsoleteLogic's rationale would not work for me. It would probably work for certain other people, and I'm curious to know why he abides by this philosophy himself -- i.e. is it necessary somehow for him to discipline himself in this manner, is he doing it to be safe (as in "you can never have too much discipline"), or is he doing it strictly on principle, which I would disagree with because I believe that the goal of principle is to lead to right action, not that the goal of right action is to adhere to principle (which would only make sense if you were either God-fearing or had no concept of practicality at all). I disagree with disciplining oneself for its own sake in this sitaution because I believe that there comes a point where pleasure should not be traded for excess discipline. I suppose it's up to everyone do decide when they have sufficient discipline (in the sense that only they themselves can know when they've reached this point), though, so I can't say with certainty that ObsoleteLogic is wrong in his philosophy. As for whether or not it's right for other people to follow it: I can't say that for sure, either, though neither can he. Then there's always the possibility that I've missed his point, or at least the focus of his argument, which would suck, because I spent quite a bit of time thinking about all of this =/. Well, that's my response to ObsoleteLogic's stance. Hopefully I was right in my assumption of what his primary argument was, otherwise there's not much point to any of what I wrote =/. I doubt that most people will be able to follow all that, but hopefully those who actually care to read it will also be those who can understand it ![]() It doesn't come as any surprise to me that I essentially keep ending in "to each his own", because I believe that since I can't read minds, it's seldom possible to tell someone "this is what you should do" with absolute certainty, nor to force anything on anyone. People think in different ways, so different things work for different people. That's my approach to most (rational) differences of opinion ![]() | ||
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On August 09 2003 03:20 Staind wrote: I have to agree with Obselete here. Although going out at our age is mainly just for sex I think there's more to it then that. Also, I read some place that it can have psychological damage in the future on your ability to deal in relationships - when they get more intimate. I'll try to find the link. I'd be interested in reading about that, if you can find the link. | ||
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I seldom use it, but I'll go on now. | ||
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United States84 Posts
On August 09 2003 08:30 Vicious)Soul wrote: AHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP rofl | ||
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![]() Of course, I also know that telling you to keep that in mind isn't going to work very well either, because if you guys really do start doing stuff together, then you'll probably be so happy that you'll become super-optimistic and start thinking that maybe you guys do have a chance for something lasting after all ![]() Is it worth it? I dunno. If you don't think you'll take it too hard, then I guess you could go for it. It'd probably be a good learning experience, too (as in, learning what it's like to be in a relationship with someone, etc.). It doesn't sound like you view sex as anything particularly special to share with another person, but if you do then you'll probably not want to go through with it, since you'll feel bad later on that you can no longer share it with someone in the future and truly say that that person was special and unique to you. Otherwise, if you're just out for the pleasure of it, then don't worry to much about this. Okay, I gotta cut this short, so I'll leave it at that. Good luck. PS: <3 u 2 | ||
Staind
Canada59 Posts
I also find it odd that you know / think she's a slut but still want to date her. :\ | ||
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