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Biden's response to why his message isn't resonating with Latino voters didn't even mention Latino voters.
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On March 16 2020 10:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Biden's response to why his message isn't resonating with Latino voters didn't even mention Latino voters.
"But look at all my black friends!"
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On March 16 2020 10:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I love how Sanders is just standing with an open mouth at Biden's allegations that Sanders is 'praising china' for stating that they have in fact accomplished significant gains combating extreme poverty.
This line of attack against Sanders is fucking dumb, though. I guess it might play with segments of the population and even segments of the democratic voter base, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.
On March 16 2020 10:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Biden is such a shithead. Bernie literally calls them authoritarian dictatorships two minutes ago, and is correct about UAE and Saudi's too, yet Biden acts like he didn't say that and says 'words matter, these are dictatorships'.
Bernie needs to look more confident on stage though. He's bad at hiding frustration, and while his frustration is justified imo, it's just not a good look.
Well said. On the topic of substance, Biden is seriously losing ground, but when it comes to optics and what the average uninformed viewer might take away from this, Sanders probably won't come off as pristine and Biden probably won't come off as bad as he should.
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On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages.
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Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period.
On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"?
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Canada8991 Posts
On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"?
Is there any reason why the primary candidates never announce their VP straight away? Seems like a good political move to make once in a while.
Also if less people go out voting because of Corona I assume it's good for Sanders?
Kinda like the caucus effect.
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On March 16 2020 11:09 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Is there any reason why the primary candidates never announce their VP straight away? Seems like a good political move to make once in a while. Also if less people go out voting because of Corona I assume it's good for Sanders?
Kinda like the caucus effect.
It could certainly help Sanders in states like Florida, but Biden is polling so far ahead in Florida (+40 or so) that it may not matter. I agree with you that declaring a particular runningmate early could be a good strategy, especially if it's unifying two groups.
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I don't think there are going to be any more primary contests after Tuesday. When people see voters lines cramped together for hours in Arizona that'll be all she wrote imo.
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On March 16 2020 11:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
I don't think there are going to be any more primary contests after Tuesday. When people see voters lines cramped together for hours in Arizona that'll be all she wrote imo.
There's different way it can go, maybe they push all the primary date all the way to june to create a giant day of voting, maybe with extensive mail votting.
I don't think they will cancel the primary entirely unless Sanders quit.
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On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems.
Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her.
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On March 16 2020 11:19 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
I don't think there are going to be any more primary contests after Tuesday. When people see voters lines cramped together for hours in Arizona that'll be all she wrote imo. There's different way it can go, maybe they push all the primary date all the way to june to create a giant day of voting, maybe with extensive mail votting. I don't think they will cancel the primary entirely unless Sanders quit.
You wouldn't think it would be that hard to do in the wealthiest country in the world but I'm almost 100% positive the party would argue that isn't feasible to make happen by then.
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On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her.
I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women.
Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country.
I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense.
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On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense.
It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman?
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On March 16 2020 11:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense. It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman?
There's been no assertion by either Democratic candidate that they're going to select a woman despite that woman being unqualified. Naturally, that assertion will be put forth by plenty of sexists.
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On March 16 2020 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:28 Gahlo wrote:On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense. It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman? There's been no assertion by either Democratic candidate that they're going to select a woman despite that woman being unqualified. Naturally, that assertion will be put forth by plenty of sexists.
In general, not just this occasion. In the end, it's a matter of their beliefs, not the content of their pants. The gender of a candidate shouldn't be a deciding factor - whether that's excluding women or being exclusive to them.
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On March 16 2020 11:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense. It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman?
I'm pretty sure you can find more then a few women qualified for vice-president?
I don't get how the unqualified thing get to play here.
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On March 16 2020 11:41 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:28 Gahlo wrote:On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense. It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman? There's been no assertion by either Democratic candidate that they're going to select a woman despite that woman being unqualified. Naturally, that assertion will be put forth by plenty of sexists. In general, not just this occasion. In the end, it's a matter of their beliefs, not the content of their pants. The gender of a candidate shouldn't be a deciding factor - whether that's excluding women or being exclusive to them.
Sure, but we can't just look at 2020 and ignore the entire history of American presidents and vice presidents. Not considering women as world leaders is sexist; considering women as world leaders isn't sexist... it's equality. Also, acknowledging the strengths of a person who is different from you (sex, race, politics, whatever) because they're likely to have diverse and useful perspectives, experiences, and knowledge isn't discriminatory. The runningmate's sex is a point of merit in this case, because the presidential candidates are actually putting their money where their mouths are and actually having female runningmates, rather than just merely saying they support women. The point of contention isn't just that a singular presidential race happened to have men vs. men and no women; the point of contention comes from the systemic and historic dismissal of women in positions of power (especially in the American executive branch). And to deal with that contention, women should also be vice presidents (and presidents). Not every time. But ONCE would be a good starting point.
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On March 16 2020 11:46 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 11:41 Gahlo wrote:On March 16 2020 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:28 Gahlo wrote:On March 16 2020 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2020 11:19 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Debate takeaways: Sanders generally spoke with more substance and a better train of thought than Biden, but I don't think it'll be enough for Sanders to beat Biden in the primary. (Sanders didn't annihilate Biden; Biden didn't get creamed.) Also, if either of them wants to beat Trump in the general election, they're going to need to have a female person-of-color as their runningmate, who can actually energize the Democratic half of the country and unify both the progressive wing and the moderate liberals. Period. On March 16 2020 10:57 Xxio wrote:On March 16 2020 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yo Biden just formally announced that his runningmate will be a woman. First woman VP, potentially. We predicted that would happen, but that's a pretty big reveal. That's likely to be the #1 headline from this debate, unless something else happens in the next 50 minutes. It's a bit strange. I thought the Democratic party wanted to lead the charge against sexism and all the other isms. Mixed messages. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "mixed messages"? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought Democrats were into equality, anti-sexism, and that kind of thing. Yet here we have a sexist selection process for VP. Or maybe I'm confusing Biden with new-wave dems. Also, it would be interesting if a male politician changed his identity to female and then accused Biden of bigotry for not considering him/her. I don't understand how you can look at the pairing of a male president with a female vice president and come out thinking that that's unfairly biased towards women. Historically, every president and vice president has been male. For most of that history, being a woman was necessarily disqualifying because of sexism. Balancing the ticket isn't a bad idea, whether it's having different races, sexes, or even ideologies (e.g., progressive vs. moderate liberal). It's certainly an attempt at unifying much of the country. I don't see your trans example as particularly relevant, because if Biden chooses Woman 1 for VP, that doesn't mean that all other women get to blame Biden for not choosing them due to sexism. That makes no sense. It comes down to whether or not a VP's gender is a meaningful criteria. Should well qualified men be overlooked because they're men? Should unqualified women get more of a chance because they're a woman? There's been no assertion by either Democratic candidate that they're going to select a woman despite that woman being unqualified. Naturally, that assertion will be put forth by plenty of sexists. In general, not just this occasion. In the end, it's a matter of their beliefs, not the content of their pants. The gender of a candidate shouldn't be a deciding factor - whether that's excluding women or being exclusive to them. But there is zero evidence at this point that this has happened. So if someone assumes that Biden picked a women therefore it is sexist, they are actually being sexist because they are presuming that a women was picked not because of her qualifications but her gender. It is sad a statement to the sexism in the US that a women being named as running mate is news, it is not sexist that one was picked.
You don't know one was picked. All you know is that who ever it will be, whether they've been picked already or not, is that they will be a woman. Either way, it's not my belief anyway. I'm merely explaining why Xxio feels the way they do, at least from my perspective.
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