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If this thread turns into a USPMT 2.0, we will not hesitate to shut it down. Do not even bother posting if all you're going to do is shit on the Democratic candidates while adding nothing of value.

Rules:
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- Don't turn this into a X doesn't stand a chance against Trump debate.
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- Do NOT turn this thread into a Republicans vs. Democrats shit-storm.

This thread will be heavily moderated. Expect the same kind of strictness as the USPMT.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 04:50 GMT
#1121
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
March 04 2020 05:00 GMT
#1122
There's a what-if brewing in my mind if Warren dropped out and endorsed Sanders on the same day as Buttigieg and Klobuchar, and how that would have influenced Maine, Mass. and Minnesota. Even if half of Warren supporters went to Sanders, it would have tipped Maine and Mass. for Sanders and kept it very close in Minnesota. Even Texas would be safer for Sanders. It would have been more pragmatic in my mind to keep the progressive movement alive in Sanders rather than continue a path that was very bleak for her chances.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 05:00 GMT
#1123
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 05:03 GMT
#1124
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44608 Posts
March 04 2020 05:03 GMT
#1125
On March 04 2020 13:50 JimmiC wrote:
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On March 04 2020 13:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On March 04 2020 13:34 vult wrote:
On March 04 2020 13:28 Nakajin wrote:
On March 04 2020 13:27 vult wrote:
Bloomberg playing spoiler in California, currently in 2nd and climbing? I also think he could win NY and Florida.


No way in hell


I live and work in Westchester county, NY, and everyone I've spoken to supports Bloomberg. He is campaigning heavily in the area and a lot of rich folk live in the state, you'd be surprised.

Florida I'm only speculating because of how many NY transplants there are, which relates to my above point.


There's a really good chance Bloomberg drops out tomorrow. AP reports that he's going to "re-evaluate" his campaign tomorrow.

If bloomberg drops out tommorow and supports Bernie would the world explode?


That wouldn't really change much. Bloomberg got basically no votes or support. Even with his money, it did nothing; Warren dropping out and supporting Sanders would have been much more useful, considering people actually vote for her.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 05:07 GMT
#1126
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 05:24:04
March 04 2020 05:20 GMT
#1127
Biden is doing well with last minute deciders so people who will get interviewed on exit polling and vote in person. Basically Biden is likely being slightly overrepresented in the projections atm.

Bernie has done very well with younger voters, even though younger voters haven't come out to vote which is expect in primaries. Younger voters are more likely mailed in their vote. I know california is going to be counting mail in votes for the new couple days and that total even with 100% precincts reporting can be constantly changing. Part of this is because california allows mail in voting on the day of. California overall encourages mail in voting, i'm not sure on all the other states on how they deal with mail in voting.

I wonder how much that lead biden has will shrink when mail in votes get counted and the vote get certified. I don't expect Biden to lose any of his projected states but i would expect a lot of his super tuesday night leads to shrink.

Bloomberg and Warren are oddities to me, warren's position may be to get delegates to be king maker and negotiate out a cabinet position but bloomberg i just don't know. I assume he'd endorse biden just to be anti sanders. Bloomberg got more than i hoped he would. Bloomberg really is a testament to money in politics because he seem to be getting more traction than Warren who actually ran a campaign instead of payed for a ton of advertisement.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 05:26:24
March 04 2020 05:24 GMT
#1128
On March 04 2020 14:00 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is actually pretty impressive how well Biden did when he spent no money in states like California. Bernie spent way way more then him and he still did pretty well. For some reason I thought biden would be spending similarly to Bernie or even more, not significantly less 7,000,000 to 4000 in cali. That is bonkers to me.

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-super-tuesday/share/sanders-projected-to-win-california-134.html


Biden didn't have a lot of money, he's in fact famous for being particularly bad at raising money/unwilling to go seek the support of those big donor (he has been known for this his whole career) what he's good at is getting endorsement and doing face to face politics. National coverage and name recognition helped a lot of course.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15714 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 05:38:15
March 04 2020 05:26 GMT
#1129
Maine and Massachusetts, well done Warren.

Edit: and Minnesota. Biden would have lost all 3 states if Warren endorsed Bernie. She won't win a single state tonight.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
March 04 2020 05:27 GMT
#1130
On March 04 2020 13:16 Sent. wrote:
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On March 04 2020 13:04 Salazarz wrote:
“He’s making a lot of promises that take more than four years to accomplish.”


This, right here, is why I am absolutely convinced that modern democracies are doomed to failure. We are simply incapable of any large-scale ventures that would take more than a single election cycle to come to fruition any more.


UK somehow managed to get Brexit done


Yeah but that's not a large-scale venture, that's just putting a blindfold over your eyes and walking off a cliff.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 05:36:09
March 04 2020 05:35 GMT
#1131
Texas could very go to Biden, well this is looking like a shitty night, pfff.
If Warren doesn't drop out tomorrow she's an absolute ass
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 05:42 GMT
#1132
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 04 2020 05:47 GMT
#1133
if you could only read reddit, you'd think bernie was winning
© Current year.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 05:56:06
March 04 2020 05:53 GMT
#1134
On March 04 2020 14:42 JimmiC wrote:
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On March 04 2020 14:24 Nakajin wrote:
On March 04 2020 14:00 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is actually pretty impressive how well Biden did when he spent no money in states like California. Bernie spent way way more then him and he still did pretty well. For some reason I thought biden would be spending similarly to Bernie or even more, not significantly less 7,000,000 to 4000 in cali. That is bonkers to me.

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-super-tuesday/share/sanders-projected-to-win-california-134.html


Biden didn't have a lot of money, he's in fact famous for being particularly bad at raising money/unwilling to go seek the support of those big donor (he has been known for this his whole career) what he's good at is getting endorsement and doing face to face politics. National coverage and name recognition helped a lot of course.

I did not know that, with all the talk about him being the face of the moderates, and the talk of the billionaire class winning if he won I had assumed he would be rolling in the big donors cash.

As much as I loathe to say it, with how important money is in america elections part of the criteria for a VP pick should probably include fundraising. Trump is breaking records Biden will have to spend in the ball park to compete.

But I guess this result means maybe he wont? Im still very surprised that he could do this well spending so much less than Bernie. Was he spending this much less in Iowa and Nevada as well? Or did the money dry up with those poor performances?


Well I'd assume as he goes forward he naturally gonna have money coming in just by the fact that he's the clear front runner/ eventually the democratic nominee, but when it was still unclear how well he was gonna do compared to other moderate option he was apparently doing fairly bad money side.
I can't say I really know about Iowa and Nevada, but obviously it cost way less to have adds in these state than it does in place like California and those huge states.

Compare to Clinton who was in a similar situation four years ago he had way less money. (Clinton on the opposite apparently had a well oiled machine to get money) I remember hearing Hilary Clinton was the first presidential candidate who lost the presidential race despite having more money than her opponent. (Ross Perot excepted maybe, IDK)
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23298 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 06:14:43
March 04 2020 05:54 GMT
#1135
People are waiting 5 hours to vote in Texas. Whole country should be ashamed, but no one cares
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 05:57 GMT
#1136
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 06:07:08
March 04 2020 06:05 GMT
#1137
On March 04 2020 14:57 JimmiC wrote:
Nyt live estimates have it.

Biden 646
Sanders 580
Bloomberg 130
Warren 103
Pete 27
Klob 7

If this holds and warren was to drop out and support bernie bloomberg would become the king maker, where as if bloomberg was to just name biden it would be over right.

Fucking hell Bloomberg might get his ROI after all.


What if it end up a complete tie and Tulsi Gabbard 1 nominee become the king maker?
Bidden-Al Assad 2020 ticket anyone?
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2020 06:07 GMT
#1138
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 06:44:52
March 04 2020 06:26 GMT
#1139
Since everyone seems to have the "bad for Bernie" part right (although tbf as more votes come in, at least in CA, it could get a little better, or maybe even quite a bit better), thought I'd quote the NYT elections guy making a point that worth watching:



There is certainly no "Revolution" using the youth nor does it appear that an old time Democrat like Biden excites people that have slowly drifted from the Democrat party. Biden did best among that sort, but he's not bringing them back. Think I posted an article in the other thread some months ago about how higher turnout in 2020 might not work to the D's advantage, and I think this is part of that puzzle. Pretty interesting. Neither premise that the two main candidates are running on seem to actually be true, at least so far.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-04 06:41:31
March 04 2020 06:38 GMT
#1140
On March 04 2020 12:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Yea Biden has a much more positive public image than Clinton did.

People really, really hated Clinton. Biden looks more like an old fool.

The sad thing is, even four years ago I though Biden was the best chance to take on Trump in either the Republican or Democrat field. He used to take these pie in the sky promises and say 'that's a bunch of malarky. Here's what you can actually do' and then other candidates would chime in 'Joe's right'. He was a great pragmatist and a 'tell it like it is' sort of guy. And because Trump is a bit of a BS artist, I thought that sort of no nonsense, call a spade a spade was the way to go. But he's looking lost on stage these days, and you need to be sharp or else Trump steamrolls you. Maybe he gets the sympathy vote if, during a debate, Trump mocks him for stuttering or something.
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