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GreenHorizons
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Stratos_speAr
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The only decent message I can see about Biden is "not Trump". I don't think that's a winning message. It's the kind of message that makes any true progressive want to drink until they black out. | ||
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vult
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Maine is within 100 votes at 66% reporting last time i saw. | ||
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JimmiC
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BigFan
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Sent.
Poland9322 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:04 Salazarz wrote: This, right here, is why I am absolutely convinced that modern democracies are doomed to failure. We are simply incapable of any large-scale ventures that would take more than a single election cycle to come to fruition any more. UK somehow managed to get Brexit done  | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:15 JimmiC wrote: And currently biden is under 15 percent which means no delegates right? Maybe it is not over for Bernie! Biden's projected to get a lot more than 15% in California. Also, I'm seeing on multiple websites that Biden is closing the gap in Texas instead of falling farther behind. Bernie would have to absolutely destroy Biden in California to salvage is losses (or lack of a big win in Texas) elsewhere. | ||
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vult
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Stratos_speAr
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On March 04 2020 13:18 vult wrote: You're probably right, tbh. It's pretty obvious that many Biden voters would not be keen on voting for Bernie if he won, and many Bernie voters are very against Biden's behavior and demeanor. I'd give Biden the edge because he was at least Obama's VP, and many Bernie supports are "blue no matter who" people so they'd flip. I think it's exactly the opposite. This is pretty much a "how to" guide on crushing the enthusiasm in your party and depressing voter turnout. I think it's very likely that a huge chunk of Bernie supporters just stay home. Hell, it'll take every ounce of feeling of "civic duty" for me to get my ass out of bed and vote for Biden on that day. Also, just saw another post talking about how Biden has basically no ground game to speak of and is yet winning all over the place. An interesting talking point when thinking about election dynamics. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:18 Stratos_speAr wrote: Biden's projected to get a lot more than 15% in California. Also, I'm seeing on multiple websites that Biden is closing the gap in Texas instead of falling farther behind. Bernie would have to absolutely destroy Biden in California to salvage is losses (or lack of a big win in Texas) elsewhere. I feel like Biden is still not getting that high? He seems to tap everywhere at 30-35 (except the deep south) I don't know if he has an easy path to 50%+1 If Warren drop tomorrow morning and Sanders is ahead+ Bloomberg stay in the race, he would still be the favorite in my eye going into NY, it may be another fucking race getting decided in Florida... I feel like Warren is doing a lot better than I had tought. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:21 Nakajin wrote: I feel like Biden is still not getting that high? He seems to tap everywhere at 30-35 (except the deep south) I don't know if he has an easy path to 50%+1 If Warren drop tomorrow morning and Sanders is ahead+ Bloomberg stay in the race, he would still be the favorite in my eye going into NY, it may be another fucking race getting decided in Florida... I feel like Warren is doing a lot better than I had tought. Warren is only on track to get delegates in something like 5 states. Also Biden doesn't need a majority. He only needs a plurality, and today sets him up to do that very, very nicely. Sanders entire candidacy is sunk if he doesn't have a plurality going into the convention. Not only is there zero chance in hell that he gets the nomination if he doesn't go into the convention in the lead, but he was the only candidate on the debate state that argued that the current leader going into the convention should get the nomination even if he doesn't have an outright majority. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 04 2020 12:48 Sermokala wrote: Biden is going to be absolutely wrecked in the general and anyone who doesn't see that is dangerously blind. Like much worse then Hillary bad. I thought Biden was shot in the primaries when Klobuchar had a minibump in Iowa, and Buttigieg and Sanders literally erased 15-20+ point leads from Biden in a matter of weaks in the opening primary states. Trump is unpopular. Biden is a sympathetic fool. People here have restated a million times how willing they are to turn out and vote just to get Trump out of office. People here who represent a remarkably heavy Sanders bias mention over and over how they'll support the eventual nominee no matter what. I'm not willing to discount the mob angrily filling in the ballot for whatever Not-Trump is in top position. The X factor is when the economy tanks more from Coronavirus-impacted Chinese manufacturing and a likely pandemic in America. Incumbent presidents don't do well when the economy sucks. I expected more solidarity and optimism from the consensus to vote for the eventual winner. | ||
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vult
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Nakajin
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On March 04 2020 13:27 vult wrote: Bloomberg playing spoiler in California, currently in 2nd and climbing? I also think he could win NY and Florida. No way in hell | ||
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Stratos_speAr
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vult
United States9400 Posts
I live and work in Westchester county, NY, and everyone I've spoken to supports Bloomberg. He is campaigning heavily in the area and a lot of rich folk live in the state, you'd be surprised. Florida I'm only speculating because of how many NY transplants there are, which relates to my above point. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:34 vult wrote: I live and work in Westchester county, NY, and everyone I've spoken to supports Bloomberg. He is campaigning heavily in the area and a lot of rich folk live in the state, you'd be surprised. Florida I'm only speculating because of how many NY transplants there are, which relates to my above point. There's a really good chance Bloomberg drops out tomorrow. AP reports that he's going to "re-evaluate" his campaign tomorrow. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 04 2020 13:27 Danglars wrote: Trump is unpopular. Biden is a sympathetic fool. People here have restated a million times how willing they are to turn out and vote just to get Trump out of office. People here who represent a remarkably heavy Sanders bias mention over and over how they'll support the eventual nominee no matter what. I'm not willing to discount the mob angrily filling in the ballot for whatever Not-Trump is in top position. Not that I'm part of that "eventual nominee no matter what" group, but at this stage I'm about 50/50 on whether or not to vote Trump instead. Biden is definitely notionally closer to what I'd want policy-wise, but to vote for him would be to give the DNC the green light on business as usual. Was a difficult pill to swallow in 2016, only to watch it fail spectacularly when it came time to deliver results. To support it again in 2020 seems truly insane. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
That depressing, sinking feeling as you watch a bleak, pessimistic future form right in front of your eyes. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24146 Posts
Long lines, malfunctioning machines and limited polling staff meant many voters in Los Angeles struggled to cast their primary ballots on Tuesday. Mark Meuser, an election law attorney, said he waited over an hour to cast his vote. He blames the longer wait times on a new voting system in Los Angeles County. "The location I am at only has six voting stations and only 1/4 of the allotted staff actually showed up today," At the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles, Mallory Brown, 29, told NBC News she waited three hours to vote. She believes the long wait times were because voters had to wait in two separate lines, one outside the building and another inside. "A lot of people just started leaving because they weren’t getting updates about how long it would take or what the process was," she said. "People were just getting discouraged and I saw a lot of people getting out of line as I was waiting." www.nbcnews.com AP and Fox News have called California for Bernie but MSNBC and CNN are still waiting. | ||
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