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GreenHorizons
United States23168 Posts
On February 26 2020 11:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: ' No fly zone, a zone you can't fly through' - Biden 2020 Don't know if you saw the clip of him saying he's running for Senate and if you don't like him vote for the other Biden but his campaign is basically elder abuse at this point | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9113 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Edit: Hm... that Israel point might not work so well, though. Or maybe it'll just isolate the already strongly red right-wing Jewish demographic. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44196 Posts
Oh my god. If you have to explain to us that you're not boring... | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 26 2020 12:02 JimmiC wrote: No way bloomburg was in the military let alone a major. I'm sure he would buy his way out and then talk all tough just like the current mope, who insults legitimate warriors. + Show Spoiler + joking about the major part, but I do think he would be very trumpian in both dodging service and then bragging about how tough he is. I am also bad at words myself :X | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
However, after tonight's debate, I actually think that he might have an easier time debating Trump than these folks. All of his best defenses were against critiques that were more conservative than his own (i.e. from moderates). Conversely, he looked the weakest against other progressive critiques (e.g. guns) or critiques that don't fall on clean ideological lines. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 26 2020 12:24 Stratos_speAr wrote: Sanders really just isn't very good at debates. He honestly just tends to repeat his campaign talking points. Which isn't a fundamentally strong strategy, especially in a serious one-on-one, but in a shouting match like this and a very agitated political climate... it kind of works. It didn't in 2016. I will say that one of the things I do very much like about his answers, though, is that he does pretty much always answer the question, fluff and all, rather than deflecting. Hard to rank this debate; was mostly a struggle to stay relevant. Steyer, Buttman, and Klobuchar looked a lot like sideshows this time around, struggling to be seen. Warren said a few interesting things, but was almost just on stage as a backup for Sanders. Sanders did his usual thing and it came out so-so. Biden wasn't bad, but he seems to be the "winner" according to the mediaverse I've seen (topics were well-suited for him this time, but he doesn't have the polish he did in 2012 or so). Bloomer was the most interesting to me. I wouldn't say this was a particularly great debate for him, but it certainly wasn't anywhere near as bad as last time. Once the dust has settled, though, it seems that a big part of his fundamental problem is that, on stage, he looked decidedly like a Republican. Wonder if that has something to do with his only very recent conversion to being a Democrat. Also, as an aside, this tweet amused me. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11490 Posts
On February 26 2020 10:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yup lmao. Apparently half the country was recently murdered  I assume he meant 150 thousand over a bunch of years. Maybe you get 150 million if you add up all deaths to any kind of weapon in the US history under any circumstances, including during wars? And especially count stuff like bombs etc as "guns" too? I am not certain if even that would be enough. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
WWI - 117k WWII - 419k Vietnam War - 58k Does not seem to come close to 150mln. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28640 Posts
 being facetious here cuz even then the number isn't close (for all of america's faults, she does not bear the brunt of the blame for the two world wars. ) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11490 Posts
Note that i am not talking about US deaths. The original statement was that "US gun violence killed", so i am talking not about US soldiers (which were killed not by US gun violence, but by vietnamese gun violence etc...), but people who were killed by US soldiers in the wars. Will probably not reach 150 million either, but should be a much larger number. Maybe if we get all the deaths worldwide by guns made in the US? That could actually fit. But i don't think that stats for that would be easy to get. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28640 Posts
But no, with the exception of ww2, the armed conflicts where USA have been involved in haven't gotten all that high death tolls, and in ww2, the US is responsible for a fairly low number of casualties overall (compared to the 55-85 million estimated). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll#Modern_wars_with_greater_than_25,000_deaths_by_death_toll gives as good of an overview as anything . Even if you were to say that the mexican revolution was caused by the US (total nonsense, but they were slightly involved) and that all the casualties from the korean war were caused by the US), and that you give US blame the full blame for stuff like mozambican and angolan civil war + south american ones (some of these are very big stretches), and the soviet invasion of afghanistan (where the US contributed to it being a quagmire for sure but where this is still entirely unfair), all of these together + casualties from ww2 caused by USA, I still can't even get to 50 million. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 26 2020 17:15 virpi wrote: So allow me a question: Why are you doing these gigantic debate shows in the US? Has it always been this way? Having so many candidates shouting over each other does not help any of them. And it's bound to happen, it also happens, when you invite at least three politicians to a TV show. Why aren't you doing smaller interview sessions with journalists from different TV networks? (I know that won't happen, but it would be so much more coherent.) Because everything about the American electoral system is a fucking joke. Our country has an irrational love for trash reality TV and we turned our elections into just another episode. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25038 Posts
On February 26 2020 21:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: Because everything about the American electoral system is a fucking joke. Our country has an irrational love for trash reality TV and we turned our elections into just another episode. It’s not just that side of the Atlantic. I don’t really understand this format, especially for primaries. It’s a pretty niche audience, I assume most of us primary nerds would prefer something more substantiative and less chaotic. You don’t see people going to the opera and they’ve got flashing lights and cheerleaders. I guess it’s more to generate clips of zingers and gaffes to recycle throughout the news cycle and online, which does make sense although it still sucks. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 26 2020 22:43 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s not just that side of the Atlantic. I don’t really understand this format, especially for primaries. It’s a pretty niche audience, I assume most of us primary nerds would prefer something more substantiative and less chaotic. You don’t see people going to the opera and they’ve got flashing lights and cheerleaders. I guess it’s more to generate clips of zingers and gaffes to recycle throughout the news cycle and online, which does make sense although it still sucks. It all makes its way to CNN, Fox, et. al. So there's always that incentive for slam dunks and suplexes. Even if they only occur in a manufactured narrative. It's nauseating. | ||
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