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xDaunt
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Plansix
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And he only pretended to no care once reporters reminded him that he made that bet on camera. At first he claimed to not have said it at all. Maybe he didn’t remember, being in his early 70s? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On October 16 2018 07:07 xDaunt wrote: I'm just amused at how swift and merciless the ridicule of Warren has been. This is the kind of misstep that should get communications people fired. The funniest part was Trump's response. Here she is, trying to bait him into coughing up $1 million, and his response is "who cares." lol. She's a one-trick that Democrats are hoping can bleed enough progressive support off Bernie to make the "sensible alternative" poll well. She should have left it at "I was told this story my whole life and I realize now that it may or may not be true. But while we're talking about Native Americans here's a list of some of the ways the US is screwing them over". But she (and the media) mostly cared about her "heritage" just enough to check a box and this shit: Warren had described herself as a minority on a law professors' listing for several years, ending in 1995. She has said she wanted to meet people like herself, but stopped when she realized that's not what the listing was for. www.politico.com This was a completely idiotic move by Warren and it's sad to see Democrats think this wasn't stupid. On October 16 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote: He could have Jared get the million from the Saudis. Since his indebt son in-law is our unofficial ambassador to whatever nation the Kushner’s want to get a loan from. I’m sure they would to Jared a solid and help Trump cover that bet. And he only pretended to no care once reporters reminded him that he made that bet on camera. At first he claimed to not have said it at all. Maybe he didn’t remember, being in his early 70s? You can keep your shitposting/whataboutism in the mega-thread p6. But Republicans are kidding themselves if they think Trump is going to take SA killing a journalist seriously, so are Democrats for thinking it made Russia so much worse than other nations we call allies. STATEMENT FROM THE CHEROKEE NATION ON WARREN'S IGNORANCE: "A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage." - Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr. www.kjrh.com | ||
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xDaunt
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On October 16 2018 08:52 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, I'm having a really hard time seeing the silver lining in what Warren has done for Democrats. Not only is it retarded on the merits and politically damaging to her, but it couldn't have really come at a worse time for the Democrat Party as a whole. The Democrats desperately need to get some good news going (or some really bad news for the GOP) to combat the downhill slide that they have been on since the Kavanaugh confirmation. Instead, Warren has sucked up all of the air space in a very bad way, and is even drawing some Democrats into stupidly defending her. Democrats should just disown Warren now and save themselves the trouble of having to deal with her stupidity on the national stage in the next year or so as the presidential primary contest heats up. She's clearly not the answer to Trump, so put her out to pasture now. She's basically the best we have in either party when it comes to consumer protection (albeit a low bar) so I wouldn't disown her altogether (she's no Joe Manchin), but a presidential run is a waste of time and resources. But you know there's not really going to be a way for you or other Republicans to spin this journalist thing as anything other than Trump's love of money winning over everything, combined with the decades long bipartisan boot licking of Saudi royalty, right? | ||
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xDaunt
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On October 16 2018 09:02 xDaunt wrote: Well, let's see what Trump does before jumping to any conclusions. I'd also like to see what the Saudis do with their upcoming statement. Clearly someone is putting pressure on them to come clean. We saw his initial reaction which made it abundantly clear his priority was profiting off of our relationship with SA. "pressure to come clean" lol? You mean they got caught dead to rights and lying is only making them look worse? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 16 2018 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote: We saw his initial reaction which made it abundantly clear his priority was profiting off of our relationship with SA. "pressure to come clean" lol? You mean they got caught dead to rights and lying is only making them look worse? There's a big difference between what politicians say publicly about their private conversations and what they actually say in their private conversations. What Trump said today about his conversation with the king is a big zero. What I'm more interested in is Trump sending Pompeo to Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis preparing to admit some degree of wrongdoing. But for the record, I do not expect Trump to get in the way of US weapons sales to the Saudis. As he pointed out, that's a sanction that hurts us more than them. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On October 16 2018 10:11 xDaunt wrote: There's a big difference between what politicians say publicly about their private conversations and what they actually say in their private conversations. What Trump said today about his conversation with the king is a big zero. What I'm more interested in is Trump sending Pompeo to Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis preparing to admit some degree of wrongdoing. But for the record, I do not expect Trump to get in the way of US weapons sales to the Saudis. As he pointed out, that's a sanction that hurts us more than them. Probably less so with Trump than most politicians, but that's fair. I don't think they have a choice in admitting their role though. I mean I think it would benefit us a lot more than them to stop arming a state engaged in ethnic cleansing, supporting terrorists, killed a US resident journalist, dictatorship, etc... But the money tho. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 16 2018 11:47 GreenHorizons wrote: Probably less so with Trump than most politicians, but that's fair. I don't think they have a choice in admitting their role though. If anything, I think that there's a bigger difference between what Trump says in public versus what he says in private. Just look at how he negotiates. I mean I think it would benefit us a lot more than them to stop arming a state engaged in ethnic cleansing, supporting terrorists, killed a US resident journalist, dictatorship, etc... But the money tho. What exactly is the benefit to us to not sell weapons to the Saudis? It's not like the rest of the world gives us a shit and is going to fellate us for stopping the sales. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On October 16 2018 12:06 xDaunt wrote: If anything, I think that there's a bigger difference between what Trump says in public versus what he says in private. Just look at how he negotiates. What exactly is the benefit to us to not sell weapons to the Saudis? It's not like the rest of the world gives us a shit and is going to fellate us for stopping the sales. I have to think his negotiations sound a lot like the semi-coherent stuff he says in public, I don't why I should think otherwise? Besides not helping them arm terrorists and execute an ethnic cleansing campaign, it's not as easy for some other country to come in as some people make it sound. We actually have a lot of leverage there as a lot of the equipment we've been selling has decades long integration time frames. To replace them would take billions and a long time. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11990 Posts
On October 16 2018 12:25 GreenHorizons wrote: I have to think his negotiations sound a lot like the semi-coherent stuff he says in public, I don't why I should think otherwise? Besides not helping them arm terrorists and execute an ethnic cleansing campaign, it's not as easy for some other country to come in as some people make it sound. We actually have a lot of leverage there as a lot of the equipment we've been selling has decades long integration time frames. To replace them would take billions and a long time. I am a bit confused about this "Other people would sell them stuff" argument. There must be a reason they are currently buying US stuff, and not "other peoples" stuff. Maybe it's cheaper, maybe it's better, and there is also that integration time that you mention here. As such, there is a cost for them to change that. And i think a big actual reason to stop selling them stuff is to stop being complicit in the stuff they are doing. Even if you may not be able to stop them from murdering lots of people, you could at least stop helping them do it. And i guess with "you" i don't mean only the US, as Germany is also selling arms to SA, which i very much think we shouldn't. Even if you can't stop a bad thing from happening, you can at least stop helping it from happening. That is not as good as stopping it, sure. But since stopping it is not on the table, there is only "Help" and "Don't help". Aside from the "murderous genocide in Yemen" thing, there is also the acute situation. A man needed some paperwork from the Saudi Embassy to marry. Instead of giving him that paperwork, they murder him, chop him to pieces, and fly away with those pieces hidden in suitcases. To me, that sounds like something that is not okay. And something that probably requires a response. Basically, i don't think SA is a country that one should be friends with. For some reason, they managed to get onto the US "good guys" list, and now it doesn't matter anymore what they actually do, it is apparently very hard to fall of that list. This is weird. | ||
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xDaunt
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Cook Political report shows that rural Oregonians are tilting against their more progressive Portland neighbors. It's a big enough state with enough rural voters that an energized Right can overcome the metro. Oregon could get a Republican governor as head of a blue state. Congressionally, CPR has changed some races since 10/4: 13 congressional races were previously marked Toss-Ups, now in leans R section. 5 congressional races changed from leans D to Toss-Ups. Everything's still close enough for actual results to swing the other way (like polls ahead of Trump). I'm stunned the Democrats blew such a massive generic ballot edge. Nine of those should be D-favored, and rest should be D-leans or tossup. | ||
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xDaunt
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GreenHorizons
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On October 17 2018 09:24 xDaunt wrote: I gotta say. This NPC meme shit is hilarious. The reactions that it is drawing from the Left are priceless. I don’t even know why you’d bother responding to that kind of trolling. It is only going to make things worse. It does provide a little insight into the state of mind of Democrats, however. They must absolutely think that the world is going mad. Had to look it up but you know that stuff applies pretty equally to Republicans and it is pretty poor as far as meme's go imo. That said, I can't believe people are actually reporting it and twitter is banning people while there are still actual neo-nazi's and open white supremacists on twitter. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
What did Trump just do? What's the news of the week? Who cares? The big orange idiot is a racist. He's a sexist. He's a xenophobe. He's a white nationalist. He's about to end democracy with facism and/or totalitarianism and/or literally getting people to murder the press. He's one bad day away from starting a nuclear war. You could do the same with a video game NPC scripting these lines. The next time Dems do a misstep, the headlines will be "Republicans pounce" or "Republicans seize on" and the like. Speaking of NPCs, artificial intelligence can nail some of these news headlines with machine learning. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On October 17 2018 13:52 Danglars wrote: The meme is pretty funny. We've seen groupthink from such outlets as MSNBC, ABC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, Atlantic. This groupthink has been going on since the 2016 presidential campaigns--a period of roughly three years. What did Trump just do? What's the news of the week? Who cares? The big orange idiot is a racist. He's a sexist. He's a xenophobe. He's a white nationalist. He's about to end democracy with facism and/or totalitarianism and/or literally getting people to murder the press. He's one bad day away from starting a nuclear war. You could do the same with a video game NPC scripting these lines. The next time Dems do a misstep, the headlines will be "Republicans pounce" or "Republicans seize on" and the like. Speaking of NPCs, artificial intelligence can nail some of these news headlines with machine learning. Consequence of all being owned by the same people I think. Same is true on the right as you well know. Also, most of those things you listed about Trump are actually true, so I don't see why it's supposedly a bad thing to point them out. But I suppose it's reflective of how utterly divorced from reality or common sense your politics has become. Looking at the Warren situation, it seems to neatly summarise the strengths of the GOP and weaknesses of the Democrats. Wins greatly galvanise the GOP, losses greatly demoralise the Democrats, while the GOP mostly sucks up losses and pushes harder, and wins don't seem to galvanise the Democrats. There's no energy. Plus the Democrats eat each other at the drop of a hat. The GOP struggles to get along most of the time, but come together when it matters. Mid-terms are starting to feel very Trump election, where the energy in the debate is sliding towards the right (why I predicted Trump was going to win). The left doesn't seem galvanised, the right does. That matters a lot on vote day. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 17 2018 19:07 iamthedave wrote: Consequence of all being owned by the same people I think. Same is true on the right as you well know. Also, most of those things you listed about Trump are actually true, so I don't see why it's supposedly a bad thing to point them out. But I suppose it's reflective of how utterly divorced from reality or common sense your politics has become. Looking at the Warren situation, it seems to neatly summarise the strengths of the GOP and weaknesses of the Democrats. Wins greatly galvanise the GOP, losses greatly demoralise the Democrats, while the GOP mostly sucks up losses and pushes harder, and wins don't seem to galvanise the Democrats. There's no energy. Plus the Democrats eat each other at the drop of a hat. The GOP struggles to get along most of the time, but come together when it matters. Mid-terms are starting to feel very Trump election, where the energy in the debate is sliding towards the right (why I predicted Trump was going to win). The left doesn't seem galvanised, the right does. That matters a lot on vote day. This just is the entry point of the cycle. You think it’s actually true, and weird that it’s a supposedly bad thing to point it out. I think people like you don’t display intelligence in your use of slurs, which makes much of your political aspect similar to an NPC. An NPC, when questioned about why they’re throwing the racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe lines all the time, might be programmed to say “I say them because they’re true, and this just shows how divorced from reality you are.” That’s exactly why the meme is funny. You actually think the Warren situation shows Dem weakness in political losses, rather than an ideological weakness in untouchable identity and oppression politics. Yes, I think you’re too divorced from reality to actually give meaningful comments on the differences between right and left on this issue. But I’ll still listen (well, particularly when you’re in this mood and not the “Do you actually believe your own bullshit? troll side) in case it ever changes. | ||
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