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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 20 2018 21:04 friendbg wrote: Are there really no legal loopholes that can make OpenBW run as an independant game? Well, if openBW ever gets finished we can go down that road and see where it leads us. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 20 2018 17:53 fish_radio wrote: Please no one liners about Blizzard being evil or something. Still. I mean, it was pretty obvious what would happen. Blizzard decided many, many years ago that there will be pretty much no autonomy in the BW scene. SC:R was just one of the final steps towards that. Personally, I never wanted SC:R, I was perfectly fine with BW. When SC:R hit and people switched, I left the scene. People embraced "death" willingly and I wanted to be no part of it. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
428 Posts
On January 20 2018 23:49 Qikz wrote: We get 2 massive twitch events that had over 30,000 viewers and a vastly renewed interest in the game? The player count outside of Korea has gone up considerably since the iCCUP days and although Afreeca are having issues with Blizzard we don't know what those are so we shouldn't judge Blizzard on things we don't understand. Put your pitchforks away and just try and enjoy playing the game. If i do the math, the missing Afreeca Team Battle combined with no ASL5 leaves us still deep in the red. | ||
Waxangel
United States33584 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On April 26 2010 19:39 Qikz wrote: KeSPA are an awful company. They care only about the money and don't give a damn about whatever fans they have. They're just in this to make a quick buck while Brood War is still popular. Someone will easily replace KeSPA, perhaps even a better company which would be alot better for spreading the scene outside of Korea. Korea wouldn't have any foreign players mainly due to influences from Kespa, without KeSPA stopping things like that eSports could finally become a worldwide thing. This is what you had to say when Blizzard took legal action versus KeSPA that eventually ended with the total annihilation of the professional Brood War scene. Full disclosure of all relevant information does not seem to be matters of utmost importance to you when Blizzard isn't involved. As far as I am aware of, official confirmations that foreign players were actively kept out of the scene by KeSPA are no where to be found, yet there you were throwing accusations to alter the subject. It is rather ironic that you are scolding people for being frustrated by competitive Brood War being held back years later with clearly the same party being involved once again. People are often rotten. Companies are in general corrupt assholes who only care about money. That isn't the core issue. The reason why people are frustrated is because they are seeing competitive Brood War being held back. They know how far Blizzard have been willing to take things if they do not have things their way. The combination of those two factors alone are terrifying for anyone who truly are invested in the competitive scene. The very foundation of competitive Brood War could be at stake, and here you are warning others of the dangers of siding against Blizzard without full information. That's fine, but don't tell others how to act. I watch Brood War to see high level games with the highest stakes available, and the only platform on which that takes place is under threat from Blizzard. That makes them accountable. I really couldn't give a rat's arse over the details that makes Blizzard act in this manner, and your constant protective stance towards Blizzard, even when it is at the cost of competitive Brood War, tells me you wouldn't be too affected if this all comes crashing down. On August 04 2012 21:39 Qikz wrote: By sponsers. Blizzard doesn't control sponsers. They're not some kind of company in a dystopian future. Can we please just watch the last bits of the last BW OSL without arguing in here? T_T The last ever OGN StarLeague to host competitive Brood War, and people were understandably upset by the fact that Ongamenet was being forced to cancel their decade long legacy. Enjoyment wasn't the natural response to come out of this particular situation. You seem to have a really unhealthy fixation on having good vibes towards Blizzard even when it all comes crashing down. That's your prerogative, but please understand that some people's priorities are different from yours. There's nothing more condescending than telling people to calm the fuck down because you personally aren't devastated by what's going on. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 20 2018 23:49 Qikz wrote: We get 2 massive twitch events that had over 30,000 viewers and a vastly renewed interest in the game? The player count outside of Korea has gone up considerably since the iCCUP days and although Afreeca are having issues with Blizzard we don't know what those are so we shouldn't judge Blizzard on things we don't understand. Put your pitchforks away and just try and enjoy playing the game. The foreign base is insignificant and lets be real, those 30k at least in the last tournament were becuase the players were very known casters, or you can see those 30k populating Battle.net? (not at all), if you see the figures in Korea the game is shrinking quite fast and once BW Korea is dead, the real and competitive game is dead too, RM has been the final nail in the coffin for BW, ironic but true. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5529 Posts
On January 21 2018 01:39 Waxangel wrote: I wonder if this is posted on English forums only because Fish can't sell themselves as a faultless, saintly org in Korean communities and get away with it....? That's what I was thinking. Fish_radio was quick to pull the trigger on blaming blizzard for the takedown of Fish if anyone remembers when there was no proof and it turns out there was a generalized ban on private servers due to some new law in korea. I am not advocating or defending blizzard, I think it's shitty that ASL is being held up but we don't have both sides of the story. The starcraft community is generally a pretty mature one, hopefully everyone can maintain some level of maturity during this. | ||
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AleXoundOS
Georgia458 Posts
fish_radio, can you better structure the problems into a terse summary, break the whole text into a list of numbered/categorized items? So that we will better and clearly understand the actual problems, discuss individual solutions to them. Make the forum thread constructive (or create another one), not growing it into a collection hopeless messages and talks of inexact stuff. Foreign community highly depends on what's going on in the Korean community. While there's a delay when it actually hits the foreign community, finally foreign community is affected by a lot. Currently, it's not clear what is needed the solve what problems exactly. Petitions, announcements, website or special software development, funding, new organizations, representatives and influential people to contact Blizzard directly, etc. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
How can young players devote their lives (because that's how sports become serious and nationally recognized) if they don't even know that their game will last 10 years let alone 2 or 3. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
I do not think remastered was a cash grab. I guarantee that Remastered barely made Blizzard money compared to all their other products. I feel like Blizzards intentions were good, but they fucked up bad with their tournament requirements and still not including features. I think Remastered is great and I enjoyed it. The fact that there is still no ranking system is beyond stupid, I figured that would be coming within a month of release. I miss ASL, really want it to come back soon. Hope Blizzard gets off their asses and gets this situation resolved. | ||
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Cheesefome
314 Posts
On January 20 2018 23:49 Qikz wrote: We get 2 massive twitch events that had over 30,000 viewers and a vastly renewed interest in the game? The player count outside of Korea has gone up considerably since the iCCUP days and although Afreeca are having issues with Blizzard we don't know what those are so we shouldn't judge Blizzard on things we don't understand. Put your pitchforks away and just try and enjoy playing the game. This is kind of a ridiculous post when you consider the difficulties afreeca had with coming to an agreement with the last asl. It's not some myth that people are just throwing around. We might not know the details of their discussions but what we understand is that blizzard is charging absurd fee's for 3rd parties to host tournaments. Also, blizzard made some promises prior to remastered that never the saw the day of light. We're left with a starcraft that is buggy, extremely laggy, they practically shut down servers they promised to assist. Starcraft is in such a horrid state atm that its nearly impossible to play. 2v2//3v3 lag 90% of the time, the game shuts out, kicks me out all the time with errors, some accounts im able to customize my profile and in others it simply just doesn't give me the options. The bugs are endless, the lag is extreme. I personally dont think blizzard is in any position to be making such high demands with a game that is barely playable. The main problem that is causing suspicion is that blizzard doesn't seem to care about getting the game to function correctly. They continue to let us down patch after patch. I mean valkary's still dont shoot when you stack them... They said they fixed that on one of the first patch notes. When they release patch notes 50% of the stuff on their aren't actually fixed. Blizzard is an unreliable company atm which is why people are throwing them under the bus without questions. I'm not trying to flame you but think you haven't been playing the game or roaming the forums as much as i have. The complaints about the same thing since before "beta" remastered had been released have not even been fixed. From my point of view, they just simply don't give a crap and were looking for a quick money grab. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 21 2018 03:19 blade55555 wrote: I dislike that Blizzard is not allowing tournaments to run, that is beyond stupid and I wish they would just let the Koreans host tournaments as they please. I do not think remastered was a cash grab. I guarantee that Remastered barely made Blizzard money compared to all their other products. I feel like Blizzards intentions were good, but they fucked up bad with their tournament requirements and still not including features. I think Remastered is great and I enjoyed it. The fact that there is still no ranking system is beyond stupid, I figured that would be coming within a month of release. I miss ASL, really want it to come back soon. Hope Blizzard gets off their asses and gets this situation resolved. Every time I saw Blizzard getting too cozy with the Korean Brood War scene, there were casualties. It is getting to the point where the sight of any article with the mention of Blizzard's involvement with Brood War makes me afraid more than anything else. I don't care whether SC: Remastered was a cash grab. I do not care how much money SC: Remastered made for Blizzard. I feel like Brood War tournaments such as ATB and ASL became harder to host after Blizzard started to regulate the conditions under which they could be held. I feel like the months of previously unseen lag and technical issues hurt the streaming industry. I feel like the change of conditions for the PC cafes played a role in Brood War being played less in PC cafes of Korea than ever before. I think SC: Remastered provided excitement and interest for Brood War outside of Korea. There's no denying that. However, it came at the cost of the health of the Korean Brood War scene. I really want that to stop. I hope that situation gets resolved. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
On January 21 2018 03:30 Cheesefome wrote: I'm not trying to flame you but think you haven't been playing the game or roaming the forums as much as i have. The complaints about the same thing since before "beta" remastered had been released have not even been fixed. . Cheeseofme I respect your opinion, but what the hell is that bit in your post. I've been a member of this forum now for years, I've had over 10,000 posts and I read the forum multiple times daily even from work. I host and cast tournaments every other week and I've casted some of the recent TL Open tournaments with Sayle. I've also been playing the game since 2008 and over the past year or so I've been playing BW for at least 3 hours a day. I'm not sure what exactly else you need me to do for me to form an opinion. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On January 21 2018 01:39 Waxangel wrote: I wonder if this is posted on English forums only because Fish can't sell themselves as a faultless, saintly org in Korean communities and get away with it....? This makes me wonder why they were kicked out of that blizzard korea chat. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
Bringing up my post where I ask people to stop destroying the forum with constant arguing when we were all experiencing what would very likely be the last OSL ever I wouldn't say is me defending Blizzard. I will defend the devs of the game though as they do want to see their remastered baby do well. At the end of the day it's not their decision on the legal side of what Blizzard do and they have no choice on where to send money. I just get sick of people calling the devs shit when Grand from the dev team has even been here to tell us exactly what's going on in terms of development and why things are hard to do. I just think unless we know the full facts we shouldn't go blaming anyone for anything. Yes you can feel angry, but saying that everyone who works at Blizzard is scum or that Blizzard (including the devs) have ruined the game then I feel you're misguided. The game was destroyed by illegal betting and matchfixing. That's the reason why the OSL died in the first place. You can blame Blizzard and wanting KeSPA to pay for the rights to use their game to make money all you want, but matchfixing killed pro BW. All I've really said in this thread is that I think that this entire OP is shady as hell, because we have no proof this person is from Fish and also Fish were known to be shady as hell. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3467 Posts
2v2 ladder would be good as well to have more people playing, and lag is still an issue but overall ladder is decent. I had a lot of lag on iccup as well (not on Fish though, that worked great!). I also dont have a lot of trust in the op, there has to be some truth in it but to what extent I do not know. Fish doesnt exactly have a nice reputation. I feel bad for Afreeca and I really want them to host a tournament but to me this is quite different from Fish, who was a 3rd party server, however you want to consider things it was obvious it would not last long with SC:R. Just quitting en masse or bitching about blizzard every single time is not gonna help what s left of the community. They need to realise people are still interested in the game and get their shit together but making useful suggestions is better than just losing it after a rumour or another. I think that s what Qikz meant. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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Chrysanthemum
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realityyy
Germany50 Posts
It's sad to see it become true. They had so much potential with Starcraft 2, but to me it feels like they wasted that potential and now milk the rest out of the Starcraft franchise, leaving especially the semi-competitive players behind. | ||
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