[Christian topic] Greg Laurie - Page 19

On April 19 2007 05:07 Annor[BbG] wrote:


It takes more than an atheist that doesn't know his own theories to 'bash' Christianity.

Atheist: I took one biology class!!! Now that I studied evolution for a good 3-4 weeks I know its true. Since evolution is true, I can do whatever I want in life without any consequences.


That's why atheists are atheists, they don't want to be held accountable.

Atheists don't have a problem with how the world was created, they just have a problem with the concept of God. Since the Evolutionary Theory is based off the Bible, the two theories are very similar except for that 'started' everything is their main difference.

On April 19 2007 11:17 testpat wrote:

For example, I do not believe certain events in the bible happened, one of these is the great flood. The ark is physically impossible to build, physically impossible to maintain during the voyage, its physically impossible to gather and spread out the animals, flooding the earth in a short time does not follow the laws of physics. Fish die because of salinity changes, plants die because some can't survive in salt water. There is no geological record of such an event. Since all the other animals die, and you don't believe in evolution (assumption), all parasites & diseases must have been present in the animals on the ark. Since some diseases are fatal to their host and cannot survive outside the host, the ark must have contained larger numbers of animals - yet there is no record of such. As someone mentioned above, talk-origins discusses large number of impossibilities with the ark story.

Now, you can describe what is wrong with this, or you can postulate your own theories and we can discuss them - How it was created, how it was maintained, how the animals were gathered & dispersed, how genetic dispersity works, and why there isn't a geological record.

On April 19 2007 11:17 testpat wrote: flooding the earth in a short time does not follow the laws of physics

On April 19 2007 11:17 testpat wrote: Fish die because of salinity changes, plants die because some can't survive in salt water.

On April 19 2007 12:00 HumbleZealot wrote:
so why don't we take TheOvermind77's advice and go to White castle?

I'll drive, btw.

On April 19 2007 12:09 ThePhan2m wrote:


The ark was made to float and to hold life. You look what happened back then with todays eyes, you assume evertyhing was the same back then as it is now, and this is not the case, witch makes all your claims pointless.

There is alot of theroys about this, but you cannot look as i mentioned look at it with todays eyes, earth was alot younger, the bible says that there was a water above earth, in the upper part of the atmosphare in other words, witch protected the earth from the sun, and made life grow stronger and alot larger (like dinosaurs, cuz lizards never stop growing) than it does today. This is why the bible gives the age of the people living before the flood all around 900 years old. Conditions were different, and that is why you cant look at this with todays eyes, or it wouldnt be possible.

There were alot fewer animals, and it was 2 of each species, and the bible also says, that God sent them all to Noah, he didnt need to gather them.



how can this not follow the law of physics?


water didnt necceary have to be salt water

(once again you look at the past as if things were exactly as you observe them today)
a big event like the flood gives remarkeable changes to the earth, that we observe today, but that doenst mean you know how things were before if the whole earth was washed away!

well i cant explain these things as good as some that really have researched these things, but ive been on several seminars with different ppl that have their backround inside the evolution theory and they have seen how little real evidence there actually is, and that everything is actually based on either lies or poor evidence that actually never was suited as evidence (example Lucy)

if your are more intrested considering this topic, there is alot about this on youtube, if you search on Kent Hovind. Also about the topic, he has a own seminar called "age of the earth". There is also many neutral debates with Kent Hovind vs evolutionists, you can find all this on youtube or on googlevideo or you can download his seminars on http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php

On April 19 2007 13:22 yisun518 wrote:
we were originally zerg, then evolved to protoss, then later mutated to humans, losing psychic links. our god is xel'nage. earth was flooded with hot metallic liquid, not water. the arc was a spaceship, that carried many other animals from everywhere in the universe.

On April 19 2007 12:00 HumbleZealot wrote:

Actually its more like:
"Evolution is a theory that has existed for many centuries (long before Charles Darwin, actually) and since then a vast amount of Scientific evidence and probable theories have arisen, which suggest that the theory of evolution is probably correct. Based on this evidence, and the lack of Scientific evidence in favour of God's existence, I believe that there is no God and that evolution is indeed, a factual theory."

It'd be a bit more like that, except less choppy since I'd bother to take more time in a real life situation. And its obvious Athiests have a problem with the concept of God, thats why arguments such as this thread take place everyday, but its not because we don't want to be held accountable (with laws and civilized society, its rather hard to avoid being held accountable), its because we simply don't believe in your God (or anyone elses, for that matter). It's also very arrogant that you assume you know why people become Athiests, I would never make such a stupid assumption about why Christians are religious, so why don't we take TheOvermind77's advice and go to White castle?

I'll drive, btw.

On April 19 2007 13:48 Annor[BbG] wrote:


Yeah all that 'scientific' evidence that explains evolution. Of course scientists have found all the missing links between humans and primates (They've only named them, not found them). Oh, of course life was created from non-life in the beginning (No one on the planet has seen that one reoccur). Oh yeah, they found the Nebraska man, two-points for evolution there. Evolution very properly explains how organisms can spontaneously become two opposite sexes that spontaneously begin sexual reproduction instead of asexual reproduction. Let us not forget how well evolution explains the spontaneous separation of plants and animals in the life chain. Amazing how there are no animals that need photosynthesis and that there are no plants that need to eat other plants or animals. Scientifically all Evolution does is make educated guesses on things they think may be true.

On April 19 2007 13:54 sith wrote:


You speak like someone who has no idea at all about the intricacies of Evolution and has not read any real material on it. Let me guess, you're going by your 6th grade science teacher explaing to you how Darwin thought of Canary's and therefore created Evolution? I'm not an expert either, but if those where actually problems with Evolution do you think it would be such an upheld theory? I just googled "evolution two sexes" and read that, and it was pretty informative, no?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sex

On April 19 2007 15:00 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
yo annor what will u do when u go to heaven, will u chill, smoke some reefa or perhaps just chill on a cloud which u can stand on and stuff

tell me the deal here, i'm interested to hear it. And dont tell me u havnt thought about it, i mean, you will work your entire life to go there, thats your reward, what will you do with it man.

The ark was made to float and to hold life. You look what happened back then with todays eyes, you assume evertyhing was the same back then as it is now, and this is not the case, witch makes all your claims pointless.

There is alot of theroys about this, but you cannot look as i mentioned look at it with todays eyes, earth was alot younger, the bible says that there was a water above earth, in the upper part of the atmosphare in other words, witch protected the earth from the sun, and made life grow stronger and alot larger (like dinosaurs, cuz lizards never stop growing) than it does today. This is why the bible gives the age of the people living before the flood all around 900 years old. Conditions were different, and that is why you cant look at this with todays eyes, or it wouldnt be possible.

There were alot fewer animals, and it was 2 of each species, and the bible also says, that God sent them all to Noah, he didnt need to gather them.

how can this not follow the law of physics?

water didnt necceary have to be salt water

(once again you look at the past as if things were exactly as you observe them today)
a big event like the flood gives remarkeable changes to the earth, that we observe today, but that doenst mean you know how things were before if the whole earth was washed away!

well i cant explain these things as good as some that really have researched these things, but ive been on several seminars with different ppl that have their backround inside the evolution theory and they have seen how little real evidence there actually is, and that everything is actually based on either lies or poor evidence that actually never was suited as evidence (example Lucy)

if your are more intrested considering this topic, there is alot about this on youtube, if you search on Kent Hovind. Also about the topic, he has a own seminar called "age of the earth". There is also many neutral debates with Kent Hovind vs evolutionists, you can find all this on youtube or on googlevideo or you can download his seminars on http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php

On April 19 2007 11:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
testpat, evolution is just a theory. just like physics parasites diseases geology water water flow floods salt fish animals ark ice age earth language plants architechture ark building salinity time etc

its all theory, unproven, not enough evidence, just not enough to support it

On April 19 2007 11:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
testpat, evolution is just a theory. just like physics parasites diseases geology water water flow floods salt fish animals ark ice age earth language plants architechture ark building salinity time etc

its all theory, unproven, not enough evidence, just not enough to support it