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DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
April 18 2007 22:45 GMT
#321
This is like the 846th time this has happened on TLnet...
It's a comedy to claim thy superiority when it's anothers' inferiority which elevated thy mediocrity
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 22:51:20
April 18 2007 22:48 GMT
#322
On April 19 2007 07:43 MaxdigsSoda wrote:

Well little boy, i said that because uh.. he's completely insane?

Then you say.. hardly being ridiculous? Well, He's doing a psychoanalysis on every atheist in the world. Which is impossible because we dont follow "evolution" in the same way chrisitans follow the bible, christians are often so ignorant that they think we are a bunch of sheep following the evolution theory just like you christians follow the bible.

We dont. You are the sheep, we are not.

Dumbass kids.



Wait a second.. Did you just tell me that he's psychoanalyzing every atheist, an impossibility because every atheist is different and don't follow evolution the same. Then go on to say that every Christian is the same? You do realize that there are hundreds of different Christian denominations, different interpretations and opinions? Exegetical and hermenuetical differences? There are many more ways to view and understand and believe Christianity (Not saying they are all right) than there are ways to believe and understand evolution.

Funny.. you degrade him because he made a "generalization" according to you. Then you did the same thing... Why is it that Christians are considered hypocrites? Maybe some of you should start self examining (not meaning to be rude, but really..)

Sheep eh? Yeah, we really are. And God is our shepherd (Psalm 23). But seriously, you'd be appalled to learn that faith and belief can often be the height of intellectuality. We argue from what we believe and so far, except for a few people, everyone here has been arguing out of.. some opinion they were taught when they were younger and didn't question.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 22:54:29
April 18 2007 22:48 GMT
#323
quality is going down though. what's with the retarded flaming and questions. like seriously.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 22:55:14
April 18 2007 22:54 GMT
#324
I noticed that the low post count members are the ones that seem more adamant about defending their position. I bet it is because they have not yet learned, as the high post count members have, that everybody is going to walk away from this conversation with the exact same beliefs that they entered with.

EDIT: I think that comes off a little more insulting than i meant it to, but you get the point.
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 22:55 GMT
#325
On April 19 2007 07:54 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I noticed that the low post count members are the ones that seem more adamant about defending their position. I bet it is because they have not yet learned, as the high post count members have, that everybody is going to walk away from this conversation with the exact same beliefs that they entered with.


Assuming this is the first forum we've posted on about this topic? It actually isn't, it's my... sixth? My other forum accounts have around 11,000 posts on them in the span of... two years? (Xel'Naga@www.Starcraftdream.com). The low post count only means we're new in registering, not that we don't know any better.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 22:58:48
April 18 2007 22:56 GMT
#326
I didnt mean it as an insult, just that I have never seen a compromise come out of any of the threads like this.
EDIT: And I am kind of counting myself as a low post count member.
I guess you could say that I am good enough at god debate threads to know I am not very good at god debate threads.
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 23:00 GMT
#327
On April 19 2007 07:56 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I didnt mean it as an insult, just that I have never seen a compromise come out of any of the threads like this.
EDIT: And I am kind of counting myself as a low post count member.
I guess you could say that I am good enough at god debate threads to know I am not very good at god debate threads.


Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as rude.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 18 2007 23:05 GMT
#328
On April 19 2007 00:05 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Hey can god do anything? can some christian people answer?
are you posing this as a serious question?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 23:08 GMT
#329
On April 19 2007 08:05 oneofthem wrote:
are you posing this as a serious question?


Yes he did, he was getting at a question like "Can God create a stone he can't lift". I answered it on the previous page, it's not that great of a question really, just shows a misunderstanding on the askers behalf.
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
April 18 2007 23:12 GMT
#330
On April 19 2007 07:48 XelNaga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 07:43 MaxdigsSoda wrote:

Well little boy, i said that because uh.. he's completely insane?

Then you say.. hardly being ridiculous? Well, He's doing a psychoanalysis on every atheist in the world. Which is impossible because we dont follow "evolution" in the same way chrisitans follow the bible, christians are often so ignorant that they think we are a bunch of sheep following the evolution theory just like you christians follow the bible.

We dont. You are the sheep, we are not.

Dumbass kids.



Wait a second.. Did you just tell me that he's psychoanalyzing every atheist, an impossibility because every atheist is different and don't follow evolution the same. Then go on to say that every Christian is the same? You do realize that there are hundreds of different Christian denominations, different interpretations and opinions? Exegetical and hermenuetical differences? There are many more ways to view and understand and believe Christianity (Not saying they are all right) than there are ways to believe and understand evolution.

Funny.. you degrade him because he made a "generalization" according to you. Then you did the same thing... Why is it that Christians are considered hypocrites? Maybe some of you should start self examining (not meaning to be rude, but really..)

Sheep eh? Yeah, we really are. And God is our shepherd (Psalm 23). But seriously, you'd be appalled to learn that faith and belief can often be the height of intellectuality. We argue from what we believe and so far, except for a few people, everyone here has been arguing out of.. some opinion they were taught when they were younger and didn't question.


I didn't really mean to argue that all christians are the same, more like in COMPARISON to atheists/agnostics you are the same, and a bunch of sheep, also brainwashed.

And i don't want to argue any technical points in here about how made up religion is, cause on the internet thats kind of impossible, in real life its easier cause you can immidietly just debunk what they say. But the problem online is that a person can just write a really long message and just ignore you everytime you write a response that's making sense.

You xel naga always debunk our responses even if it makes perfect sense, probably cause you "know" it cant be true, and therefor dont even give it a fucking chance. You dumb piece of shit, intellectually inferior human with nothing but shit for brains and a pair of hands and a keyboard you use to spread your fucking idiocy, suck my balls.

// 666
what u wearing babe
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 23:16 GMT
#331
On April 19 2007 08:12 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
I didn't really mean to argue that all christians are the same, more like in COMPARISON to atheists/agnostics you are the same, and a bunch of sheep, also brainwashed.

And i don't want to argue any technical points in here about how made up religion is, cause on the internet thats kind of impossible, in real life its easier cause you can immidietly just debunk what they say. But the problem online is that a person can just write a really long message and just ignore you everytime you write a response that's making sense.

You xel naga always debunk our responses even if it makes perfect sense, probably cause you "know" it cant be true, and therefor dont even give it a fucking chance. You dumb piece of shit, intellectually inferior human with nothing but shit for brains and a pair of hands and a keyboard you use to spread your fucking idiocy, suck my balls.

// 666


I "debunk" your responses because I like to argue about everything. Then again.. Even when I say something that makes perfect sense you all try to debunk me? Odd.. That it goes both ways, that is.

I am glad though that you've learned how to string a sentence together using almost nothing but swears and insults etc. That's a real accomplishment. Maybe you'll evolve past Australopithecus in the near future.
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
April 18 2007 23:18 GMT
#332
On April 19 2007 08:16 XelNaga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 08:12 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
I didn't really mean to argue that all christians are the same, more like in COMPARISON to atheists/agnostics you are the same, and a bunch of sheep, also brainwashed.

And i don't want to argue any technical points in here about how made up religion is, cause on the internet thats kind of impossible, in real life its easier cause you can immidietly just debunk what they say. But the problem online is that a person can just write a really long message and just ignore you everytime you write a response that's making sense.

You xel naga always debunk our responses even if it makes perfect sense, probably cause you "know" it cant be true, and therefor dont even give it a fucking chance. You dumb piece of shit, intellectually inferior human with nothing but shit for brains and a pair of hands and a keyboard you use to spread your fucking idiocy, suck my balls.

// 666


I "debunk" your responses because I like to argue about everything. Then again.. Even when I say something that makes perfect sense you all try to debunk me? Odd.. That it goes both ways, that is.

I am glad though that you've learned how to string a sentence together using almost nothing but swears and insults etc. That's a real accomplishment. Maybe you'll evolve past Australopithecus in the near future.


ur shit doesnt make perfect sense cause it requires leaps of faith to make perfect sense, debunked. OWNEEEED
what u wearing babe
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 23:20 GMT
#333
On April 19 2007 08:18 MaxdigsSoda wrote:

ur shit doesnt make perfect sense cause it requires leaps of faith to make perfect sense, debunked. OWNEEEED


Yours takes just as much, if not more, faith than what I believe. There's no way around it, and to deny this reality shows a severe ignorance.. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean, but if you don't think you take leaps of faith with science then you might want to go look at the assumptions science makes... Those are all leaps of faith.
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 23:28:36
April 18 2007 23:28 GMT
#334
On April 19 2007 08:20 XelNaga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2007 08:18 MaxdigsSoda wrote:

ur shit doesnt make perfect sense cause it requires leaps of faith to make perfect sense, debunked. OWNEEEED


Yours takes just as much, if not more, faith than what I believe. There's no way around it, and to deny this reality shows a severe ignorance.. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean, but if you don't think you take leaps of faith with science then you might want to go look at the assumptions science makes... Those are all leaps of faith.


Thats bullshit, i'm agnostic (but i dont mind calling myself atheist because of the probability of no god is so large) So i dont do leaps of faith.

And you moron, assumptions arnt leaps of faith you fool. Science thinks "the probability for this being correct is very high, therefor its quite possibly true" That's not leaps of faith you moron, it's merely percentages, theories, proof gathered which adds up into the probability being very high. But if something that debunks it comes up, then science GOES WITH THAT! unlike religion, which denies it and keeps to its 'leap of faith'.


DEBUNKED OWNEEEEEEED, i'm totally crushing you man, what now? isnt it like 5-0 to me? haha i shouldnt pick on kids on internet forums
what u wearing babe
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
April 18 2007 23:32 GMT
#335
On April 19 2007 08:28 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
Thats bullshit, i'm agnostic (but i dont mind calling myself atheist because of the probability of no god is so large) So i dont do leaps of faith.


Sure you are, your first leap of faith is that you don't believe in God. Science obviously hasn't disproven the possibility. So yes, you are taking a leap of faith in assuming God doesn't exist.

On April 19 2007 08:28 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
And you moron, assumptions arnt leaps of faith you fool. Science thinks "the probability for this being correct is very high, therefor its quite possibly true" That's not leaps of faith you moron, it's merely percentages, theories, proof gathered which adds up into the probability being very high. But if something that debunks it comes up, then science GOES WITH THAT! unlike religion, which denies it and keeps to its 'leap of faith'.


Can you prove it beyond a doubt? Is it something that's repeatable? Were you there to observe and record it? Are you telling me that I'm a brainwashed "sheep", but you went and said "Science says it's true, so it must be", does that not sound a bit odd to you? Assumption --> faith that the assumption is correct. Because if the assumption isn't the theory could possibly crumble. You are taking a leap of faith, don't deny it. Science without faith is lame, and faith without science is blind. Unfortunately, you're going to have to get past the misconception (That you've been taught) that Christians are witless and ignore that which might jeopardize their faith; sorry, it's far from that.

On April 19 2007 08:28 MaxdigsSoda wrote:
DEBUNKED OWNEEEEEEED, i'm totally crushing you man, what now? isnt it like 5-0 to me? haha i shouldnt pick on kids on internet forums


Oh yes, you got me again! Drat! [/sarcasm]
DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
April 18 2007 23:35 GMT
#336
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 18 2007 23:41 GMT
#337
Maxdigs, please show some respect. Though I do agree with your statements, the insults really are just making you look like an ass. This goes for anyone simply flaming, by the way.

If you want to make your point clear, there is no need to call the person you are discussing to a fool, moron, dumb piece of shit, or say owned after every post. That's most likely the way to get banned, not achieve a discussion that leads anywhere.

As for the discussion ontopic, there three things that I'd like to mention.
1. How can you take the bible literal when it has been translated a million times? The only way, to me, seems to read the bible in it's original language (hebrew if I'm not wrong), so how can you call it the literal word of God?
2. There are a lot of fossils found, and the DNA matches between Humans and Chimpansees for example are almost identical. How do you explain this?
3. Logical thinking. To me, I don't think that a 2000 year old book saying how the world is 6000 years old, that adam and eve were the first two humans alive (thinking about that, wouldn't that require incest after the first time around to get more children?), that some guy built a giant wooden boat to save two of each animal, and so on. What is the logical reason behind your faith?
There was another thing, but I forgot it >_>.
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
April 18 2007 23:46 GMT
#338
I never debunk god, i just say the probability of a god such as what is presented in all religions is practicly near nonexistant , so no i dont do leaps of faith. stop twisting stuff in religion when there is a reasonable approach available, you dumbass.
7-0 to me

idiot, I didnt say "science says its true, so it must be." Stop putting shit in my mouth, I merely said the probability from the proof science gather makes it possibly correct. That's not a leap of faith. It's probability. 99.9% means "yes", 00.1% means "no" in a sense.
8-0

DEBUNKED, CRUSHED,

This is obviously hopeless, i'm so far beyond you in the technicals of religion, agnosticism, atheism, science, and practicly every other area, you dont even put up a fight. Instead all you do is twist my words and think you can get away with it? But it works for your own denial so thats cool for you right?

Moron
what u wearing babe
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 23:51:05
April 18 2007 23:48 GMT
#339
On April 19 2007 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Maxdigs, please show some respect. Though I do agree with your statements, the insults really are just making you look like an ass. This goes for anyone simply flaming, by the way.

If you want to make your point clear, there is no need to call the person you are discussing to a fool, moron, dumb piece of shit, or say owned after every post. That's most likely the way to get banned, not achieve a discussion that leads anywhere.

As for the discussion ontopic, there three things that I'd like to mention.
1. How can you take the bible literal when it has been translated a million times? The only way, to me, seems to read the bible in it's original language (hebrew if I'm not wrong), so how can you call it the literal word of God?
2. There are a lot of fossils found, and the DNA matches between Humans and Chimpansees for example are almost identical. How do you explain this?
3. Logical thinking. To me, I don't think that a 2000 year old book saying how the world is 6000 years old, that adam and eve were the first two humans alive (thinking about that, wouldn't that require incest after the first time around to get more children?), that some guy built a giant wooden boat to save two of each animal, and so on. What is the logical reason behind your faith?
There was another thing, but I forgot it >_>.


Dude i know i shouldnt treat morons badly, in real life i would never. But i cant do it on the internet, its my only flaw. (and maybe i AM an ass)
what u wearing babe
XelNaga
Profile Joined March 2007
162 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 23:51:54
April 18 2007 23:48 GMT
#340
On April 19 2007 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As for the discussion ontopic, there three things that I'd like to mention.
1. How can you take the bible literal when it has been translated a million times? The only way, to me, seems to read the bible in it's original language (hebrew if I'm not wrong), so how can you call it the literal word of God?


Well you can compare our modern interpretations to the Septuagint, the dead sea scrolls etc. Showing how little they've changed (I think a couple words at most, none of which impact the message). As well, it is incredibly important in bible study to be able to speak and read Hebrew, Arabic and Koine Greek. So, if you do know how to speak those languages and you compare that to the english translations we have, then you'll also find there isn't many changes. The most noticeable is that the book order of the OT is different (Hebrew vs English).

On April 19 2007 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
2. There are a lot of fossils found, and the DNA matches between Humans and Chimpansees for example are almost identical. How do you explain this?


The same reason why there are a lot of matches between our chemical composition and dirt; God used the same materials for everything. It all came from the same materials, but that doesn't mean one evolved from another. As for the fossil evidence.. There really isn't any. For billions of years of evolution, and finding what might be a missing link every 50 years.. Just isn't enough to support it.

On April 19 2007 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
3. Logical thinking. To me, I don't think that a 2000 year old book saying how the world is 6000 years old, that adam and eve were the first two humans alive (thinking about that, wouldn't that require incest after the first time around to get more children?), that some guy built a giant wooden boat to save two of each animal, and so on. What is the logical reason behind your faith?
There was another thing, but I forgot it >_>.


There weren't laws against incest until after Moses, so apparently it was perfectly fine until then, it would have to be for them to reproduce. Noah (that "some guy") built the ark, which they actually believe is on mount Ararat in modern Turkey. Sure, why shouldn't I believe it? I mean, some people believe we evolved from single celled organisms...
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