EPTOn April 19 2007 01:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:
They don't call him cupcake for nothing.
They don't call him cupcake for nothing.
i could go for a hostess cupcake right about now:O
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
i could go for a hostess cupcake right about now:O | ||
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zoast
United States91 Posts
On April 18 2007 23:15 XelNaga wrote: You just asked me if Jesus judged people, are you changing your stance now? Honestly though, the main point of Christianity isn't to love everyone. It's a point yes, but not the main point. I think you are mixing me up with someone else. That was the first time I said something to you. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On April 19 2007 01:07 Lemonwalrus wrote: They don't call him cupcake for nothing. yawwn... Yeah it's cliche but that's still the best argument, nobody has used it yet so why not. ~_~ | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On April 19 2007 00:50 intotherainx wrote: I think that there's a difference in the way people define happiness... the person in the original post would seem to value a relationship with Jesus the most, just like you would value whatever you do. I don't think it's wrong to spread your opinion on happiness (if you think about it, our capitalist society tells us that success is what we should ultimately strive for), and I find your generalization of religious people "claiming a kind of monopoly on values" strikingly similar, ironically, to his criticism of non-believers all being lusty drunkards that you were not okay with. I happen to be a believer but I'm not the kind of person that you think religious people are =/. I suspect that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but I do believe that there is a form of truth that you can get to without scientific proof. This body of knowledge, I think, can only be accessed by thinking in a different way than we usually do in a calculating, often oppressive capitalist society. We get to it by our feelings, beliefs, intuitions, imagination, even-- and some people happen to call that "faith." =] I never described the kind of person that I "think most religious people are", yes of course they're all different, sometimes dramatically so. There's a difference between what I was saying and what was in the original letter, which actually was making generalizations. I wasn't saying that all religious people claim a monopoly on religious values, I was just saying that it annoyed me every time someone did exactly that, and this is what the guy in the letter was doing. Yes, if you value a relationship with Jesus Christ the most then that's fine with me, I'm not trying to change you such that you become happy the same way that I do. But this IS what the guy in the original letter is doing, I thought that part about the not finding happiness and fulfillment through relationships, success, possessions, or accomplishments was a giveaway. My point is that nobody should tell you how to be happy - you find out what makes yourself happy yourself, and if that happens to be through a relationship with Jesus Christ then fine. The bad thing would be to accept that on authority without investigating for yourself what makes you happy. As for the faith part, hopefully someone else will respond. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On April 18 2007 23:15 XelNaga wrote: You just asked me if Jesus judged people, are you changing your stance now? Honestly though, the main point of Christianity isn't to love everyone. It's a point yes, but not the main point. whats the main point of Christianity then | ||
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RebelHeart
New Zealand722 Posts
On April 19 2007 02:36 Hot_Bid wrote: whats the main point of Christianity then "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:28 here's a good site that talks a bit about it:good site | ||
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baal
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HumbleZealot
Canada508 Posts
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Annor[BbG]
United States55 Posts
On April 19 2007 04:48 HumbleZealot wrote: Why are there so many Christians in this thread? Usually the Athiests around here come and bash anyone who tries to say the utter bullshit XelNaga and that [BbG] kid were saying earlier. It takes more than an atheist that doesn't know his own theories to 'bash' Christianity. Atheist: I took one biology class!!! Now that I studied evolution for a good 3-4 weeks I know its true. Since evolution is true, I can do whatever I want in life without any consequences. That's why atheists are atheists, they don't want to be held accountable. Atheists don't have a problem with how the world was created, they just have a problem with the concept of God. Since the Evolutionary Theory is based off the Bible, the two theories are very similar except for that 'started' everything is their main difference. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
it's like saying "wow, you're stupid for believing in gravity or physics because you haven't studied those for more than 3-4 weeks" and i love your linking believing in scientific fact to leading a careless, consequence free life, those two are surely directly related. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On April 19 2007 05:07 Annor[BbG] wrote: It takes more than an atheist that doesn't know his own theories to 'bash' Christianity. Atheist: I took one biology class!!! Now that I studied evolution for a good 3-4 weeks I know its true. Since evolution is true, I can do whatever I want in life without any consequences. That's why atheists are atheists, they don't want to be held accountable. That's like saying that you're an atheist with respect to Zeus because you don't want to be struck by lightning. | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
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MoltkeWarding
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
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XelNaga
162 Posts
On April 19 2007 00:39 evanthebouncy~ wrote: So you are dodging my argument? You accept your weakness and is goign to dodge me? Yes or No, one definitive answer or you're weaksauce. :p The problem with the argument is that unlike everything else are you looking for an answer, or are you just trying to argue for the heck of it? If I were to continue to answer it though, I think it would be interesting. Now that you've gotten all confident, I shall try. Essentially you misunderstand the word "omnipotence". Omnipotence doesn't mean that God can do anything he wants, it more describes the amount of God's power. Don't get me wrong, God does in fact have limitless power, but while that's said he can only do whatever is actually possible, does that make sense to you? For instance, can God create a square circle? A married bachelor? A two sided triangle? Can he lie to himself? It is a misunderstanding of the word omnipotence and God's power. By virtue it is truly impossible to create a square circle, it's the same sort of idea with creating a rock he can't lift. Do you understand that? It's a little confusing. On April 19 2007 02:36 Hot_Bid wrote: whats the main point of Christianity then Well, if we're going by commandments, the first is to love God with all our heart and all our soul, and then to love our neighbors. If we're going by purpose it is to spread the good news to all the ends of the earth. On April 19 2007 05:13 j0ehoe wrote: when the next dumb kid comes up to me as im going to class tonite to bother me about joining his church, im going to think of you as i tell him to piss off. its fucking incredible how close-minded and arrogant you self righteous christian deuchebags can be. Really eh? A lot of the same could be said for everyone else in this thread. On April 19 2007 05:09 Hot_Bid wrote: what are you talking about, evolution is basically accepted as scientific fact, you don't need to study it to assume it's truth it's like saying "wow, you're stupid for believing in gravity or physics because you haven't studied those for more than 3-4 weeks" and i love your linking believing in scientific fact to leading a careless, consequence free life, those two are surely directly related. Okay, since they've started asking me the philosophical questions. I've got one for you about evolution. Those light photons, the one's that initiated the big bang, they came from...? | ||
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MaxdigsSoda
Sweden304 Posts
On April 19 2007 05:07 Annor[BbG] wrote: It takes more than an atheist that doesn't know his own theories to 'bash' Christianity. Atheist: I took one biology class!!! Now that I studied evolution for a good 3-4 weeks I know its true. Since evolution is true, I can do whatever I want in life without any consequences. That's why atheists are atheists, they don't want to be held accountable. Atheists don't have a problem with how the world was created, they just have a problem with the concept of God. Since the Evolutionary Theory is based off the Bible, the two theories are very similar except for that 'started' everything is their main difference. Haha holy shit this dude is completely fucking crazy, i guess this is why people aint really bothering with him huh? edit* And you are almost as crazy xel naga, religion is dying man keep up with the times. You cant defend religion, go back to making a couple of leaps of faith instead. | ||
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XelNaga
162 Posts
On April 19 2007 07:32 MaxdigsSoda wrote: Haha holy shit this dude is completely fucking crazy, i guess this is why people aint really bothering with him huh? edit* And you are almost as crazy xel naga, religion is dying man keep up with the times. You cant defend religion, go back to making a couple of leaps of faith instead. Why would you say that? He's hardly being ridiculous. And religion is dying? Good, I hate religion. Do you not even understand the word religion? Uhm, you know, we take leaps of faith, science takes leaps of faith.. It's nothing out of the ordinary, why is taking a leap of faith so bad? Zapling I'll reply to you in a few minutes. | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
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MaxdigsSoda
Sweden304 Posts
On April 19 2007 07:35 XelNaga wrote: Why would you say that? He's hardly being ridiculous. Well little boy, i said that because.. he's completely insane? Then you say.. hardly being ridiculous? Well, He's doing a psychoanalysis on every atheist in the world. Which is impossible because we dont follow "evolution" in the same way chrisitans follow the bible, christians are often so ignorant that they think we are a bunch of sheep following the evolution theory just like you christians follow the bible. We dont. You are the sheep(most of the time), we are not. (most of the time) Dumbass kids. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On April 19 2007 00:05 evanthebouncy~ wrote: Hey can god do anything? can some christian people answer? i heard that god can manipulate his body in such a way that he can suck his own cock | ||
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