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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 03:39:00
July 05 2016 03:35 GMT
#201
On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well.

That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right.

Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2016 03:35 GMT
#202
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 03:45:47
July 05 2016 03:43 GMT
#203
its not the same thing. it's worse.

here's one of the reasons, LeBron left the cavs at that time because it didnt have the proper support he needed. Compared to the current OKC line up you have a prime westbrook, serviceable bench on Kanter Co., Dipo at the 2 and an up and coming young star(?) on Adams and yet he bailed.

given that LeBron went to the Heat with Bosh and Wade, the heat were not a historically 73-win team
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2016 04:14 GMT
#204
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
July 05 2016 05:19 GMT
#205
I'm in the pro-super team camp. It's going to be entertaining as hell and I can't blame a player for maximizing their chance to win a championship. It goes to show how fragile a championship capable team/window is... OKC cheaped out on Harden and their window to win shrunk considerably. Now KD's gone and the odds that Westbrook leaves next year is high. Makes you wish the league was half as big and talent would be more concentrated.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
July 05 2016 05:20 GMT
#206
is it possible for OP or admin to create a trade thread to track all the moves?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
July 05 2016 05:24 GMT
#207
i just go here...
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16647240/nba-free-agency-2016-latest-news-buzz-rumors

its pretty unrealistic to ask someone to track all this stuff....
maybe the OP could add this link though?
if anyone else cares that is.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10506 Posts
July 05 2016 06:02 GMT
#208
On July 05 2016 14:19 trifecta wrote:
I'm in the pro-super team camp. It's going to be entertaining as hell and I can't blame a player for maximizing their chance to win a championship. It goes to show how fragile a championship capable team/window is... OKC cheaped out on Harden and their window to win shrunk considerably. Now KD's gone and the odds that Westbrook leaves next year is high. Makes you wish the league was half as big and talent would be more concentrated.


What if LBJ signed a minimum contract with the Warriors?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 06:18:07
July 05 2016 06:17 GMT
#209
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An artist's impression of GS's big 4
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10506 Posts
July 05 2016 06:33 GMT
#210
I wonder how Steph Curry feels about KD joining the Warriors. I feel like this will hurt his legacy a lot. Right now he's the reigning scoring champion, he probably won't be next year. He's also the reigning MVP, which he probably won't be next year. Nobody on GSW should be MVP next year since they could replace any player and still be the #1 seed. He also probably won't be the Finals MVP considering he couldn't even win it without Durant on the team. To top it all off he now has to hear everyone saying he is part of a super-team when his team was organically built just 2 days ago.

The up-side is that he will probably win some more rings but let's be honest, the warriors probably would have won more championships even without Durant. The biggest question that is yet to be answered is whether the '16-'17 Warriors will be Curry's team or Durant's team. Curry may go from being the biggest thing in the league to being Westbrook 2.0.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 07:42:36
July 05 2016 07:14 GMT
#211
its a 2 year deal with the option to get out after 1 year. Curry will put them right at the cap or over when his contract expires next year. who knows how long Durant will stay with the team.

isn't this legacy talk sorta putting the cart before the (4) horse(men). this comment is not just aimed at the post above... i'm hearing more about everybody's "legacy" than i am about actual basketball. just play some damn basketball.

win 3 or 4 or 5 championships in a row.. go to the finals 8 out of 10 years... do something first.. then let's talk legacy.

On July 05 2016 15:17 Scarecrow wrote:
An artist's impression of GS's big 4

isn't that just the standard 4 horsemen of the apocalypse? Death ( extreme right) , Famine, War ( guy with teh sword) & Conquest ( extreme left).

here is the real 4 horsemen here..Flair, Blanchard, Anderson, and some other guy.

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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 05 2016 08:19 GMT
#212
On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well.

That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right.

Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create.


I'll hold you to that if it happens.

But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion.


On July 05 2016 15:33 BlackJack wrote:
I wonder how Steph Curry feels about KD joining the Warriors. I feel like this will hurt his legacy a lot. Right now he's the reigning scoring champion, he probably won't be next year. He's also the reigning MVP, which he probably won't be next year. Nobody on GSW should be MVP next year since they could replace any player and still be the #1 seed. He also probably won't be the Finals MVP considering he couldn't even win it without Durant on the team. To top it all off he now has to hear everyone saying he is part of a super-team when his team was organically built just 2 days ago.

The up-side is that he will probably win some more rings but let's be honest, the warriors probably would have won more championships even without Durant. The biggest question that is yet to be answered is whether the '16-'17 Warriors will be Curry's team or Durant's team. Curry may go from being the biggest thing in the league to being Westbrook 2.0.



From a purely historical point of view, this actually will improve things for Curry. For as much of "what could have been?" is worth asking, the reality is most of the non-MJ/LeBrons have about a 2-3 year window to win MVPs. Curry has 2 and this was probably the end of his window. Curry is still going to be MVP-caliber, but he and everyone else should realize that the thing to do is chase rings. There's a reason the Spurs have taken the approach they have with Duncan for years. They got 3 more Finals trips and 2 more rings out it.

There's also the issue that hadn't come up yet: the Warriors title window was going to start closing after this year. OKC is probably better next year than this year (with Durant), and a healthy, 73-win Warriors team needed an all-time great performance from Klay to even stay in the series with OKC. They were still going to win 60+ next year, but their brand of basketball doesn't translate as well into the Playoffs, as we've seen both of the last two years. (Granted, they won the Finals they should have lost & lost the Finals they should have won. Go figure.) Anthony Davis lurks (on the assumption the Pelicans can get it together) and you still have to beat LeBron in a series. Something that is insanely hard to do. (At least for the next 2-3 years.)

Which means this actually broke really, really well for Curry. The Title Window for the Warriors is now open for as long as they can keep Curry + Durant together, which is probably 4-6 years, given NBA history. That's good for Warrior fans, maybe not so great for a lot of other fans. But as we've seen with plenty of Big 3 setups, they're completely beatable in the playoffs.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
July 05 2016 08:25 GMT
#213
On July 05 2016 12:43 icystorage wrote:
its not the same thing. it's worse.

here's one of the reasons, LeBron left the cavs at that time because it didnt have the proper support he needed. Compared to the current OKC line up you have a prime westbrook, serviceable bench on Kanter Co., Dipo at the 2 and an up and coming young star(?) on Adams and yet he bailed.

given that LeBron went to the Heat with Bosh and Wade, the heat were not a historically 73-win team

So you can only go to a super team and win rings if the team you played for initially was really bad? How is that fair? I can't blame durant for not wanting to play with westbrook anymore and I can't blame him for wanting to win rings now instead of seeing what happens with Canter and Adams.

At least GSW deserves to buy a superstar player: their whole team is made up by smart draft picks and superior coaching. Its not like it is a team formed by a couple of superstars who decided to take pay cuts to play together.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 09:34:35
July 05 2016 09:33 GMT
#214
Oh, and on the difference between Lebron's Decision & Durant's move:

From a purely historic point of view, Durant's move I would judge as worse. The optics of LeBron's was, however, far worse. He pretty much went on national TV to rip the hearts out of Cleveland fans, even if he didn't intend it that way. There's a reason LeBron wrote an essay for his return to Cleveland & Durant did the same thing. Notice how many times the "taking my talents to South Beach" clip has been played in regards to Durant's possible move? Yeah, video is far worse than print.

When LeBron went to Miami, the reality was that none of the 3 teams (Cleveland, Toronto or Miami) had the assets to acquire the necessary pieces to challenge Boston. 3 All-stars were going to end up as a circular firing squad for their own desire for rings. It was just unthinkable that it would happen in Free Agency, rather than as trades. (There's also issues with the talent boom starting from the mid-2000s and no one willing to trade good players. Or just less stupid GMs.)

With Durant, unless they win multiple rings, this is going to be looked at pretty dang badly in hindsight. He was the star of the team that choked away a Finals trip, to the team that ended up letting a championship slip away. The move is also going to set off a massive reorganization of the entire star-structure of the league, and it might even cause changes in the next CBA. The effects of this move are going to be felt for a very long time.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 10:11:49
July 05 2016 10:11 GMT
#215
Last time i saw a big four it was

Kobe
Shaq
Payton
Karl Malone

and we all saw how that went.. now we can argue that none of the GSW players are in the end of their careers like Payton and Karl Malone but it's 2 superstars and 2 mega stars wanting the ball and wanting the spotlight..

I hope it does work but at the same time it's always nice to root for the underdog.. i bet many guys will want to join LBJ to try "punish" GSW
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
July 05 2016 11:10 GMT
#216
Players union could have prevented this if they voted for cap smoothing.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
July 05 2016 11:14 GMT
#217
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
July 05 2016 12:27 GMT
#218
probably seeing a greatly reduced role in his future it appears Tim Duncan may retire. he was so good at keeping his mouth shut when the officials made bad calls. in the long term, i'm sure that attitude got him more than a few borderline calls in his favour.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--tim-duncan--leaning-strongly--toward-retiring-171549534.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10506 Posts
July 05 2016 13:37 GMT
#219
On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well.

That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right.

Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create.


I'll hold you to that if it happens.

But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion.


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On July 05 2016 15:33 BlackJack wrote:
I wonder how Steph Curry feels about KD joining the Warriors. I feel like this will hurt his legacy a lot. Right now he's the reigning scoring champion, he probably won't be next year. He's also the reigning MVP, which he probably won't be next year. Nobody on GSW should be MVP next year since they could replace any player and still be the #1 seed. He also probably won't be the Finals MVP considering he couldn't even win it without Durant on the team. To top it all off he now has to hear everyone saying he is part of a super-team when his team was organically built just 2 days ago.

The up-side is that he will probably win some more rings but let's be honest, the warriors probably would have won more championships even without Durant. The biggest question that is yet to be answered is whether the '16-'17 Warriors will be Curry's team or Durant's team. Curry may go from being the biggest thing in the league to being Westbrook 2.0.



From a purely historical point of view, this actually will improve things for Curry. For as much of "what could have been?" is worth asking, the reality is most of the non-MJ/LeBrons have about a 2-3 year window to win MVPs. Curry has 2 and this was probably the end of his window. Curry is still going to be MVP-caliber, but he and everyone else should realize that the thing to do is chase rings. There's a reason the Spurs have taken the approach they have with Duncan for years. They got 3 more Finals trips and 2 more rings out it.

There's also the issue that hadn't come up yet: the Warriors title window was going to start closing after this year. OKC is probably better next year than this year (with Durant), and a healthy, 73-win Warriors team needed an all-time great performance from Klay to even stay in the series with OKC. They were still going to win 60+ next year, but their brand of basketball doesn't translate as well into the Playoffs, as we've seen both of the last two years. (Granted, they won the Finals they should have lost & lost the Finals they should have won. Go figure.) Anthony Davis lurks (on the assumption the Pelicans can get it together) and you still have to beat LeBron in a series. Something that is insanely hard to do. (At least for the next 2-3 years.)

Which means this actually broke really, really well for Curry. The Title Window for the Warriors is now open for as long as they can keep Curry + Durant together, which is probably 4-6 years, given NBA history. That's good for Warrior fans, maybe not so great for a lot of other fans. But as we've seen with plenty of Big 3 setups, they're completely beatable in the playoffs.


There's little to suggest that either of those things are true. Without Durant, GSW is still the favorite to win the next championship, Curry is still the favorite to win the next MVP, and Curry is still the favorite to win the next scoring title. Now, only 1/3 of those things are true. Rings are always nice but you need the individual accolades as well to get yourself a billion dollar shoe deal.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 13:41:32
July 05 2016 13:38 GMT
#220
On July 05 2016 19:11 shell wrote:
Last time i saw a big four it was

Kobe
Shaq
Payton
Karl Malone

and we all saw how that went.. now we can argue that none of the GSW players are in the end of their careers like Payton and Karl Malone but it's 2 superstars and 2 mega stars wanting the ball and wanting the spotlight..

I hope it does work but at the same time it's always nice to root for the underdog.. i bet many guys will want to join LBJ to try "punish" GSW


those are completely different players though. shaq/kobe are/were very me-first type of players who demanded the ball at every opportunity. i dont see that being the case with durant/curry, they're both really laid back. i mean shit the biggest complaint when KD was on the thunder was that he didnt take enough shots himself while westbrook was jacking up 30 shots a night.

and i dont think players look at GSW and want to "punish" them, they probably just want to do the same thing. everyone likes to play on a good team with good players, it makes everything easier for you. but it takes a special situation to pull off something like this, like the fact that curry is only getting paid 12m.
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