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On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. I'll hold you to that if it happens.  But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion.
This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed.
The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season.
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On July 06 2016 00:33 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed. The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season.
p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too
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Also Malone and Payton were at the end of their careers, and both of them, especially Malone, spent a lot of the season injured. If you replay that year 100 times, the Lakers would probably win the title 99 times.
A big 4 will definitely work, it's a dumb team. I don't blame the warriors, but I look at Durant much differently. Westbrook will probably leave/get traded. Durant murdered basketball in OKC
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So hypothetical scenario: if OKC had beaten GSW and gone on to lose to the Cavs, what team would have KD joined? If they had won the championship, would he have left at all?
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On July 06 2016 00:41 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2016 00:33 andrewlt wrote:On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed. The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season. p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too
I rate Zaza way ahead of Ribbert, he had a good year with Dallas.
Trivia: Zaza's also the only player to pull down 18 offensive rebounds in a game since Rodman in '92.
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they need a center who will play for peanuts and accept the fact that very few offensive plays will revolve around him. rots-a-ruck.
dennis rodman may have been kinda weird ..but he accepted his role and made the most out of it... furthermore, his role matched his skill set. how many offensive plays did the Bulls run that included Rodman? none?
matching the Bulls 13 losses will be a tall order.
this is a pretty good look at Durant's contract options after 1 year with teh GSWs.
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nba/kevin-durants-money-gained-money-lost-591/
all this talk about "legacy" and the guy might be gone after 1 year.
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Lakers paid Mozgov $16 million/year... Roy Hibbert, who's basically == to Mozgov (maybe SLIGHTLY worse???) signed for $5 million.
#RIP
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I just heard the news. First thought: RIP competition. GSW will be fucking unstoppable with a lineup of steph, klay, kd, draymond and zaza lol.
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On July 06 2016 00:41 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2016 00:33 andrewlt wrote:On July 05 2016 17:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 05 2016 12:35 Scarecrow wrote:On July 05 2016 11:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Don't be surprised if the team is around .500 at Christmas. Also, their defense will have to be changed around as well. That would be utterly shocking. I'll ask to change my ID to Taf the God if you're right. Also in my mind it's way worse than what Lebron did. He left a shitty team to form his own team. Durant's leaving a contender to join an established, historically great, championship team and the MVP that just beat him. It's weak af and severely tarnishes any legacy he hopes to create. I'll hold you to that if it happens. But I said "[d]on't be surprised" as it's a decent possibility, not a high likelihood. The previous Warriors feasted on transition points, which is how they got those big runs (and lots of open 3s), but that only happened when Kerr came in and got their defense fixed. The Jackson-coached Warriors had a good offense but pretty rough defense. Their defense is going to look very different in the early stages of the season, which is why they aren't going to make a run at 74 wins. Now, in 2017-18? That's a very different discussion. This is wrong. Mark Jackson fixed the defense. They went from around 26th in DRtg his first year to 4th during his last year with the Warriors. The offense was stuck in the 11th-15th rank in ORtg. Under Jackson, they ran an iso-heavy offense. I guess you can say it was similar to what the Thunder are running. It was the ball movement that Kerr fixed. The biggest concern with their defense is the loss of Bogut. They can't go small too often in the regular season because it is going to wear Draymond out. So Ezeli needs to step up and they need to get a few big, warm bodies to play rim protector in the regular season. p sure ezeli is already gone, they have zazazaza and a bunch of randoms at center now. i wonder why they didnt take a chance on roy hibbert, he signed for 5m with hornets, maybe he would've taken 2.9m to just play defense in GS. def wouldve started in GS too
GS just needs a center to play defense, rebound, and not throw offensive rebounds to the stands. Ezeli couldn't do the last one. If he isn't close enough to the basket to dunk after an offensive rebound, it's 50/50 whether the pass ends in or out of bounds.
I like watching the Warriors so this is the second most favorable outcome for me. The impossible dream would be for Durant to join the Clippers, Ballmer moves them to Seattle, Seattle wins a championship then David Stern's head explodes. I'd also be satisfied if David Stern's head explodes for no reason at all.
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So disappointed in Durant. I understand his desire to win a ring. But he could have easily stayed one more year at OKC, try to win it there and then move. Presti have been building really strong team there and they would have had a legitimate shot at the title had he stay. Instead, he leaves the ship...
As a fan of OKC this decision really disappoints me and surprises me.
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On June 23 2016 07:47 imBLIND wrote:
IF KD moves to golden state, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.
I'm pretty pissed
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote:
Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.)
East vs. West, battle of the titans round 3
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote:
Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.)
I believe it's been proven in this thread that Richard Jefferson will make all the difference.
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On July 06 2016 05:27 JimmiC wrote:
Rumor now has wade joining LBJ in CLE. A big 4 in either conference (or big 5 in Cle if richard jefferson resigns.)
How is Richard Jefferson part of a big anything?
I don't see how CLE has the cap space to offer Wade a better deal than Miami's 40/2, so they'd have to sell Wade on being able to play with LBJ and compete for titles again. LeBron could always give himself a pay-cut if he wants Wade that bad.
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we've heard from many pro players "post decision" on Durant. how many pro players had the stones to predict Durant's move to the warriors ahead of time? one "surprisingly athletic and productive NBA player at age 36" did so. Displaying his high basketball IQ extends to off the court issues.
did any other players go public and predict the Durant move to Golden State?
http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/04/richard-jefferson-predicts-kevin-durant-will-sign-with-warriors/
On July 06 2016 02:48 Xeris wrote:
Lakers paid Mozgov $16 million/year... Roy Hibbert, who's basically == to Mozgov (maybe SLIGHTLY worse???) signed for $5 million.
#RIP
because of the vagaries of the cap, its loopholes, teams now have a floor that is 90% of the cap, how execs judge ageing players etc., etc. its pretty tough to relate money directly to productivity. stuff like u've pointed out happens all the time. that said, its still a negative for the lakers and a positive for the Hornets. Ray Allen in his last season made 1/3 of what he made 2 years previous. Adding salary inflation into the mix was Ray Allen really only 1/4 of the player he was 2 years earlier? nah.
has Andrea Barnyarni ever been worth even half what he was being paid? i remember Jason Kidd, 148 years old and not even 6 and a half feet tall, out positioning Andrea for offensive rebounds night after night.
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I don't think reaching the salary floor is important. From what I understand, teams that fail to reach the salary floor simply need to pay their current players a proportionate salary to reach the floor. A team that decides not to overpay in free agency ends up giving its current players a bonus. That sounds like a win-win for the team and its current players versus overpaying somebody just to get over the floor.
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yep, good point, that's an option.
however, how many teams do you think will be more than $2M below the floor ? i say, not many. there is a million ways to spend money. as of right now, only 6 teams are below the floor (including cap holds).
Boris Diaw got traded to Utah. he is on a 4 year deal... so now that is 5 teams under the salary floor.
maybe Colangelo keeps Philly under teh floor as a good will gesture to his players who are at the start of a long slow rebuild.
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d west joined the warriors as well, def a good signing
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