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I like it, assuming that the currency does actually exponentially grow with higher keys. He says a +10 gives 3x that a +7 does, so a +13 should give much more than 3x what a +10 does, right? That's what exponential growth means. So someone doing a +16 would be getting more than 10x than someone doing a +10.
Exponential like that seems a little extreme, but assuming it is giving heavy rewards for people pushing keys, I think it's a good system. If the reward is capped at +10 then the system is still favoring raiders. It's easy for a raider to do a weekly +10 and also to farm the raids to scrap, but a mythic+ player cannot easily farm the raids. So raiders would have an easier time getting dungeon azerite gear than people who actually farm dungeons.
edit: I think from reading the whole post it's clear that he was bullshitting us about the currency scaling with the level of the key completed with exponential growth. I don't know wtf he was saying with that but I'm 99% sure it'll just be capped at +10 (or +15 if that's the cap by then) and top players will not get azerite any faster than average players.
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This system sounds awesome.
*remove good currency system for getting gear*
people mad
*bring it back*
people happy
Maybe stop removing good shit, Ion
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if the healer is sitting at 90% after your pulls you need to pull bigger
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He says a +10 gives 3x that a +7 does, so a +13 should give much more than 3x what a +10 does, right? That's what exponential growth means. So someone doing a +16 would be getting more than 10x than someone doing a +10.
so a +13 should give much more than 3x what a +10 does, right?
10 is already higher than 7, so 3x 10 is a much bigger gain than 3x 7.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/YeEhloZ.png)
^Exponential curve showing +3 levels = 3x reward.
So the question of where the cap is (if there is one at all) is important, considering that a 385 piece would cost maybe 2 thousand points. At that cost, people doing 10's would get one piece before the new season while those doing a ~15 each week would get around 1 per week.
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has anyone else's guild had phantom members online? don't know if it's a bug with the app, but it's getting annoying
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Guild interface has been shit ever since it got changed. Some people in my guild simply never show as online.
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Have they confirmed that the currency will keep growing after +10 or is +10 the maximum?
It would be nice to have an incentive to do higher keys, not that I have gotten past a +13 yet lol
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On October 20 2018 23:09 KadaverBB wrote:
Have they confirmed that the currency will keep growing after +10 or is +10 the maximum?
It would be nice to have an incentive to do higher keys, not that I have gotten past a +13 yet lol
It'll be on PTR soon so I think we'll have some answers, at least what their first draft is. It'd really be better if there was no cap but exponential increase is absurd. It's sad but I think it's more likely that the guy whose job is to communicate to the community (Lore - the WoW community manager) is not good at writing clearly.
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Can confirm guild interface has been wonky since 8.0
Since they integrated it with battle.net instead of the realm it's also entirely broken a few times, not even registering me as being in a guild while i'm walking around playing with guildies.
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1/3 of my guild disappears in 2 seconds of UI opening.
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Holinka is back on the wow team. New role is lead combat designer, so class design and pvp combat.
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Double post, please ignore.
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"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it.
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until you remember it's still Holinka
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On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it.
When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner.
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On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it.
Now that post is right on the "BLIZZARD IS PROMOTING WOW SO THEY ARE REALLY DESPERATE" level. Looks like people are still pissed that they have to use a GCD every 1.5 - 3 minutes for a cooldown
On October 21 2018 22:22 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner.
What exactly is the problem with the combat system?
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On October 22 2018 01:01 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. Now that post is right on the "BLIZZARD IS PROMOTING WOW SO THEY ARE REALLY DESPERATE" level. Looks like people are still pissed that they have to use a GCD every 1.5 - 3 minutes for a cooldown Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 22:22 Mohdoo wrote:On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner. What exactly is the problem with the combat system? The fact that a bunch of classes got told 'your fucked, go wait until 8.1 to be fun' when BfA launched?
You can spin it any way you want. A year ago Holinka got offered a new position within Blizzard, the fact that its not mentioned what likely points to an unreleased project, and now hes back to take charge of the entire combat system?
I've been in this thread defending Blizzard plenty and I'm having fun in WoW but others aren't. And this very much smells like a "We need someone experienced to come in here and clean this up".
(ofcourse some doubt Holinka's ability as a developer, but if you left it to community opinion no one would be worthy to touch WoW and every designer ruined the game.)
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On October 22 2018 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2018 01:01 Tappo wrote:On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. Now that post is right on the "BLIZZARD IS PROMOTING WOW SO THEY ARE REALLY DESPERATE" level. Looks like people are still pissed that they have to use a GCD every 1.5 - 3 minutes for a cooldown On October 21 2018 22:22 Mohdoo wrote:On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner. What exactly is the problem with the combat system? The fact that a bunch of classes got told 'your fucked, go wait until 8.1 to be fun' when BfA launched? You can spin it any way you want. A year ago Holinka got offered a new position within Blizzard, the fact that its not mentioned what likely points to an unreleased project, and now hes back to take charge of the entire combat system? I've been in this thread defending Blizzard plenty and I'm having fun in WoW but others aren't. And this very much smells like a "We need someone experienced to come in here and clean this up".
In what addon were all classes AND specs 100% equally viable? And what classes are currently COMPLETELY fucked? I just went through the G'huun mythic logs. Found every spec but Demonology Warlock. Quick reminder: It took them almost 2 years in classic to not-really-fix the talent trees
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On October 22 2018 01:01 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. Now that post is right on the "BLIZZARD IS PROMOTING WOW SO THEY ARE REALLY DESPERATE" level. Looks like people are still pissed that they have to use a GCD every 1.5 - 3 minutes for a cooldown Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 22:22 Mohdoo wrote:On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner. What exactly is the problem with the combat system?
The global cool down change was terrible. Just plain worse. However, gcd was fine with this guy, if I recall correctly. So if all he does is revert that change, he's cool in my book.
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On October 22 2018 01:01 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. Now that post is right on the "BLIZZARD IS PROMOTING WOW SO THEY ARE REALLY DESPERATE" level. Looks like people are still pissed that they have to use a GCD every 1.5 - 3 minutes for a cooldown Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 22:22 Mohdoo wrote:On October 21 2018 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:"Person that left to work on something else is brought back" is a pretty big sign that Blizzard realized they fucked up and that the current team can't handle it. When I have a bunch of guests over, and they all know I suck at cooking, they should not be relieved when they realize I've recruited my dog to help with dinner. What exactly is the problem with the combat system?
Its fucking boring man compared to legion, let alone mop. Not only did they gut specs yet again and give us nothing new for the 10 levels, but some specs are just fundamentally broken, for example mm hunter and shadow priest and ele shaman.
The gcd change plays a part as well of course. It's not just one spell every few minutes.
Personally, i loved playing prot pala in legion. It wasnt the best tank class but it was very versatile between very high dmg, okayish sustain and high group utility. With the 10ish seconds cd heal spell i could snipeheal party members when i didnt need to heal myself, which was a big boon in dungeons, especially on bosses like Xavius or medivh. With the legendary helm equipped that spell even had 2 charges. Now, not only did they change it so it heals relative to my OWN current hp, so basically fuck all when im high and the target is low, it is also on GCD so i can not afford to use it on anyone but me ever. That alone killed half of my enjoyment of playing pala.
But on top of that i also lost my big aoe burst spell to get snap aggro on big groups and changes in spell dmg values forced me to go holy shield talent, rather than Blessed Hammers, which replaced my main filler spell and were castable without a target. Not only did they do aoe dmg, the best part was that they had a chance to reset AS cooldown on CAST, even if you did not hit a target, so i could spam them between group pulls and fish for a reset instead of either waiting it out or pulling with a single target spell.
And since the dmg of AS itself is quite low now (which also lost its aoe and selfheal component btw) i have to go CJ instead of FA, which means even fewer resets of AS.
So there you have it, those are MY problems with the combat system right now. Im sure other people feel similar about their specs, hence the outcry. 
In what addon were all classes AND specs 100% equally viable? And what classes are currently COMPLETELY fucked? I just went through the G'huun mythic logs. Found every spec but Demonology Warlock. Quick reminder: It took them almost 2 years in classic to not-really-fix the talent trees
just because you do ok dmg doesnt mean its enjoyable.
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