[WoW] Battle for Azeroth - Page 489

On October 22 2018 02:05 Warri wrote:

Its fucking boring man compared to legion, let alone mop. Not only did they gut specs yet again and give us nothing new for the 10 levels, but some specs are just fundamentally broken, for example mm hunter and shadow priest and ele shaman.
The gcd change plays a part as well of course. It's not just one spell every few minutes.

Personally, i loved playing prot pala in legion. It wasnt the best tank class but it was very versatile between very high dmg, okayish sustain and high group utility. With the 10ish seconds cd heal spell i could snipeheal party members when i didnt need to heal myself, which was a big boon in dungeons, especially on bosses like Xavius or medivh. With the legendary helm equipped that spell even had 2 charges. Now, not only did they change it so it heals relative to my OWN current hp, so basically fuck all when im high and the target is low, it is also on GCD so i can not afford to use it on anyone but me ever. That alone killed half of my enjoyment of playing pala.
But on top of that i also lost my big aoe burst spell to get snap aggro on big groups and changes in spell dmg values forced me to go holy shield talent, rather than Blessed Hammers, which replaced my main filler spell and were castable without a target. Not only did they do aoe dmg, the best part was that they had a chance to reset AS cooldown on CAST, even if you did not hit a target, so i could spam them between group pulls and fish for a reset instead of either waiting it out or pulling with a single target spell.
And since the dmg of AS itself is quite low now (which also lost its aoe and selfheal component btw) i have to go CJ instead of FA, which means even fewer resets of AS.
So there you have it, those are MY problems with the combat system right now. Im sure other people feel similar about their specs, hence the outcry.



just because you do ok dmg doesnt mean its enjoyable.

On October 22 2018 02:18 Tappo wrote:

You cant say that Xavius was enjoyable. That boss/raid was was WAY too easy. People were hating on that raid all the time. You also had to be lucky with legendaries. You also had to farm Maw of Souls 8 hours a day to feed your weapon. And with Nighthold, the big burnout happend: NO ONE was having fun so a a couple of high end raider stopped playing (The rest just joined other raids and continued). I never heard that people were having fun with their class or in general. People posted nothing but negative feedback (Besides from suramar).

On October 22 2018 02:52 Warri wrote:

I meant the dungeon boss xavius, but what does one specific raid or boss have to do with how combat feels in general.
I wont deny that the first months of legion sucked, because of AP grind and legendary rng as you say, that is true. But people comlained and blizzad largely fixed that system. Once you had all legendaries and ap grind became irrelevant due to changes, the system was very versatile and enjoyable.

I dont understand people who complain about complaints and then when stuff gets fixed say "see it wasnt all that bad you complaind for nothing." No man, shit gets changed because of complaints. So here we are again, complaining so blizzard fixes their shit.

Edit: ah wait youre the guy from earlier in this thread...nvm im out.

On October 22 2018 03:04 Tappo wrote:

"combat feels in general" Are you talking for EVERY class?

On October 22 2018 02:05 Warri wrote:

Its fucking boring man compared to legion, let alone mop. Not only did they gut specs yet again and give us nothing new for the 10 levels, but some specs are just fundamentally broken, for example mm hunter and shadow priest and ele shaman.
The gcd change plays a part as well of course. It's not just one spell every few minutes.

Personally, i loved playing prot pala in legion. It wasnt the best tank class but it was very versatile between very high dmg, okayish sustain and high group utility. With the 10ish seconds cd heal spell i could snipeheal party members when i didnt need to heal myself, which was a big boon in dungeons, especially on bosses like Xavius or medivh. With the legendary helm equipped that spell even had 2 charges. Now, not only did they change it so it heals relative to my OWN current hp, so basically fuck all when im high and the target is low, it is also on GCD so i can not afford to use it on anyone but me ever. That alone killed half of my enjoyment of playing pala.
But on top of that i also lost my big aoe burst spell to get snap aggro on big groups and changes in spell dmg values forced me to go holy shield talent, rather than Blessed Hammers, which replaced my main filler spell and were castable without a target. Not only did they do aoe dmg, the best part was that they had a chance to reset AS cooldown on CAST, even if you did not hit a target, so i could spam them between group pulls and fish for a reset instead of either waiting it out or pulling with a single target spell.
And since the dmg of AS itself is quite low now (which also lost its aoe and selfheal component btw) i have to go CJ instead of FA, which means even fewer resets of AS.
So there you have it, those are MY problems with the combat system right now. Im sure other people feel similar about their specs, hence the outcry.



just because you do ok dmg doesnt mean its enjoyable.

On October 22 2018 03:45 Danglars wrote:
I didn’t like the GCD change on the two classes and three specs I play. All my friends that played in previous expansions disliked it, moderately or extremely. So the clunkiness is shared. Not just the forum whiners, but people that were fine with other changes that negatively affected their mains. My presumption is people still don’t like the change and the experience of the 10-15 people I’ve known through the years are not anonymous or wildly unrepresentative.

On October 22 2018 05:43 NonY wrote:
For some classes, the GCD changes massively affected how openers feel and it annoyed a lot of people who were used to doing damage immediately. Like for Monk, you'd do several things simultaneously (Chi Wave and Flying Serpent Kick before the pull timer even hits 0, then Serenity/SEF is your big offensive buff off the GCD and Energizing Elixir maxes your resources off the GCD). So it felt like you were doing a lot very quickly and getting into your big burst opening very quickly. With the GCD changes, the Monk opener feels relatively worse. Talent changes play into it too with Monk.

But it's weird because now that I've played Affliction Warlock a little bit, I'm spending an eternity setting up my opener. That's the expectation with a DoT class and it doesn't bother me. It's actually kind of fun setting it all up.

Either way, you're doing a scripted set of actions for optimal DPS. So I think expectations and what you're used to matter for a lot for your enjoyment.

In my experience playing competitive StarCraft, I obviously had to use strategies and units that weren't my favorite. Part of succeeding is having a positive mindset. You have to learn to enjoy it and get over the aspects that annoy you about it. Now I'm not saying that Blizzard can design shit combat and tell players to adjust their expectations and learn to enjoy it. But at the same time I do think players could do themselves a favor by going with the flow a little more. Give your feedback to let your preference be known but don't stubbornly prevent yourself from enjoying a game you're going to play anyway.

Now having said that, being a resource starved Frost DK is probably the shittiest gameplay ever lol. I really liked FDK when you had to frost strike every 6 seconds to keep your haste buff up and you pooled resources to wait for procs for obliteration. There was rhythm and there was complexity. You didn't always have a button to hit but you needed to hit the correct one when it was time for it.

On October 22 2018 06:19 Atreides wrote:
On opener a BM hunter presses FIVE buttons before he presses the first one that actually does damage. xd

It actually doesnt bother me in pve tbh. Its weird but I mean its just pve. You press the optimal buttons in the optimal order I dont care that much how it feels.

It feels fucking awful in arena though. That+significant overnerfs+borked pet ai is why bm is utter trash there now. However survival is very, very good so it is hard to complain too much. Allthough no ranged spec hunter being viable in pvp feels.... a bit off.

Still though, I am definitely in the group of players who is FAR more annoyed with the constant bitching about the game then the game itself right now.

On October 22 2018 20:56 byte-Curious wrote:
I understand why people were annoyed by the acquisition process of Legendary items, but I don't understand why Blizzard had to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Legendaries that alter playstyle or even give some mobility / utility add so much to the game.

My Level 110 warrior just flies all over the battlefield, with six charges of Heroic Leap, and a mini sprint after each leap. Now I'm supposed to spend 45 Euros so I can give that up in exchange for... what exactly? Higher numbers, sure, but that's not something I can enjoy.