EPTI actually might try leveling as survival, see how that goes. Though it kinda defeats the purpose of a hunter to me, if i understand correctly. It's more melee than range combat, isn't it?
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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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m4ini
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I actually might try leveling as survival, see how that goes. Though it kinda defeats the purpose of a hunter to me, if i understand correctly. It's more melee than range combat, isn't it? | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10152 Posts
On October 16 2018 19:48 m4ini wrote: Yeah i heard/read, MM is pretty dead. I actually might try leveling as survival, see how that goes. Though it kinda defeats the purpose of a hunter to me, if i understand correctly. It's more melee than range combat, isn't it? It is a melee class. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 16 2018 19:48 m4ini wrote: Yeah i heard/read, MM is pretty dead. I actually might try leveling as survival, see how that goes. Though it kinda defeats the purpose of a hunter to me, if i understand correctly. It's more melee than range combat, isn't it? Its not more melee. its completely melee :p | ||
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m4ini
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It's not as braindead as "barbed, animalbite, cobracobra animalbite" though by the looks. Most likely going to end up playing survival in the end, since BM doesn't seem to have a decent cleave either (on low level at least, no idea later down the line). | ||
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Mohdoo
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Thanks for all the weak auras recommendations, guys! This is really helpful and allows me to better manage my cool downs. I think I may still be missing some fundamental quality of DH tanking, though. My general philosophy in m+ is: - use spikes+shield right before engaging - fracture, immolation, fracture - spirit bomb - fracture, fracture - spam soul cleave - use fiery whatever for shield + damage reduction on thicc mobs - keep using spikes + shield on cool down But it really seems like I am a lot squishier than I should be. At the end of the day, I am just getting really low HP throughout fights. At least compared to blood DKs. DK/Monks seem invincible compared to me. Here's me: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/proudmoore/Mohdoo I know I need to grab some enchants and socket, but I doubt that is the reason I seem to be taking a lot of damage. Maybe I don't fully understand how I am supposed to be effectively healing myself. Should I be tending more towards soul cleave rather than spirit bomb when trying to just stay alive? I feel like I must be fundamentally doing something wrong. Should I be kiting as I tank, or standing still? How do my movements influence the amount of damage I take? This is my first time ever playing beyond hitting max level, so I feel like I am missing something major. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
Generally AFAIK pop demon spikes 1-2x when pulling a new pack, spam spirit bombs and then kite for a bit while it's down. You avoid most damage if you're not in melee range. Having a frost mage makes it much easier too! The sigil azerite power is really good for control since it reduces the CD of all sigils by so much (-2s every 10s just from infernal strike) use spikes+shield right before engaging If you're talking about Soul Barrier you're supposed to use it with 4-5 souls. LR is popular too, give it a try. It sounds like you're soul cleaving too much, people use fracture+immo to get souls for spirit bombs and then they use soul cleave on spare globals afterwards when the soul cleave won't eat any souls. For pure mitigation you can run a build without spirit bomb AFAIK but that's not done in a dungeon context. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2018 01:08 Cyro wrote: That's a common feeling for veng, they're squishy outside of mitigation which isn't up all that much. BDK is OP. Generally AFAIK pop demon spikes 1-2x when pulling a new pack, spam spirit bombs and then kite for a bit while it's down. You avoid most damage if you're not in melee range. Having a frost mage makes it much easier too! The sigil azerite power is really good for control since it reduces the CD of all sigils by so much (-2s every 10s just from infernal strike) If you're talking about Soul Barrier you're supposed to use it with 4-5 souls. LR is popular too, give it a try. It sounds like you're soul cleaving too much, people use fracture+immo to get souls for spirit bombs and then they use soul cleave on spare globals afterwards when the soul cleave won't eat any souls. For pure mitigation you can run a build without spirit bomb but that's not done in a dungeon context. Doesn't spirit bomb spam mean way less self-healing? If I am too squishy, shouldn't I be healing more? By no means do I think I am correct, just trying to iron out the flaws in my logic. And just to be clear, using souls for shield still heal me as if I walked over them, right? I am not healed more by walking over my souls? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
Soul Cleave costs pain, heals you for X and absorbs souls. It doesn't require souls and it doesn't benefit from them being out. Either way you're consuming the souls which provides most of the healing - the instant heal from the soul cleave spell itself is small. Consuming a Lesser Soul Fragment heals you for 8% of all damage taken in the last 5 sec, minimum 1% of maximum health. You can spirit bomb and soul cleave but you can't soul cleave and spirit bomb so usually people are not spending fragments by walking over them or with soul cleave, they're trying to spirit bomb with them. I'm not sure of the details for full defensive play. In this case you need the threat from a quick handful of spirit bombs so that you can kite for half of the fight without losing aggro, not taking the damage is far more effective than trying to bruteforce heal through it since we don't have nearly the power of a BDK for doing that. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 17 2018 00:07 NonY wrote: I realized I didn't do any raiding the past week so I wanted to do LFR this morning to kill 3 bosses for my reorigination stack. Queued as all 3 roles, rushed the group along, did all the damage I could, etc. We ended up killing zek'voz and then instantly getting teleported out right after, before anyone could even loot. Like it was probably 0.3 seconds or less between kill and teleport out. I honestly don't know how many stacks I had so I can't even verify whether I got a stack or not but it's crazy that it ended up being that close. I feel like I should have gotten it because we got the kill, I completed the wing, all that registered. It was just so close. if you walk back in it should show your reorg stacks. If youve never missed any and its weekkkkk 7 it should be that many no ? or atleast your secondary stat gain will tell you for sure I think ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/AjXoWpp.jpg) Interestingly, there was a week or 2 in there that I completely skipped Uldir and when I did like 5-6 bosses the week after targeting an azerite piece it brought me back up to week 6. I think it might be counting boss kills since launch and letting you catchup. So if you skipped a week and killed extra the week after to cover for the missed week you get caught up. | ||
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Cyro
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 17 2018 02:34 Cyro wrote: We didn't get any on the first week IIRC? Don't remember the exact amount we've got atm Im pretty sure last week had 450. How thats been adding up till then Im not sure because I havent been paying attention. | ||
TheEmulator
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 Also broke my multiple week bad M+ cache streak with a titanforged wrist. Got nothing on my Lock, but it's just an alt so whatever. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 17 2018 04:32 TheEmulator wrote: Blizzard REALLY lowered the threshold to receive a 370 azerite cache from emissaries. I thought it would just be lowered 2-3 ilvls at most. Got my Rogue to 362 and my next emissary has a 370 azerite cache reward. Should be a good upgrade because I have 3 355s atm Also broke my multiple week bad M+ cache streak with a titanforged wrist. Got nothing on my Lock, but it's just an alt so whatever. Huh? How do you get a 370 items from emissary caches? I dont think I ever got a higher item than 340. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2018 05:41 Redox wrote: Huh? How do you get a 370 items from emissary caches? I dont think I ever got a higher item than 340. New change because their entire emissary system is garbage. If they throw us new ways to inflate our ilvl, we stop focusing on the fact that they are ruining the game with shitty systems. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 17 2018 05:42 Mohdoo wrote: New change because their entire emissary system is garbage. If they throw us new ways to inflate our ilvl, we stop focusing on the fact that they are ruining the game with shitty systems. Does this just happen every 5 caches or something? I dont get it. I did some emissaries recently and never saw this. And yeah emissaries have always been bad, which I was totally happy with. You should not get high rewards for doing those brainless chores. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 17 2018 05:46 Redox wrote: Does this just happen every 5 caches or something? I dont get it. I did some emissaries recently and never saw this. And yeah emissaries have always been bad, which I was totally happy with. You should not get high rewards for doing those brainless chores. Well.. now you do because people were upset there was no reliable way to target azerite armour. So they went with the Oprah solution.. inflated ilvls all round.. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2018 01:23 Cyro wrote: Spirit bomb costs pain and souls, does X AOE damage per soul and absorbs souls Soul Cleave costs pain, heals you for X and absorbs souls. It doesn't require souls and it doesn't benefit from them being out. Either way you're consuming the souls which provides most of the healing - the instant heal from the soul cleave spell itself is small. You can spirit bomb and soul cleave but you can't soul cleave and spirit bomb so usually people are not spending fragments by walking over them or with soul cleave, they're trying to spirit bomb with them. I'm not sure of the details for full defensive play. In this case you need the threat from a quick handful of spirit bombs so that you can kite for half of the fight without losing aggro, not taking the damage is far more effective than trying to bruteforce heal through it since we don't have nearly the power of a BDK for doing that. THANK YOU! This is all super helpful. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to answer my nublet questions. At what point can I start thinking about joining a guild? I am mostly interested in m+ rather than raiding. But I'll probably want to raid with the new raid. Is anyone in a guild that does m+10 stuff that would be interested in a 367/366 tank/DPS DH? Right now I basically just play with a friend and his gosu friends. But it would be cool to build my own group of friends ***** ALSO, wtf is with m+ not letting you requeue if someone DCs? A healer DC'd from my m+ key 3 (yes 3) times in a row. I didn't die, so it wasn't rage from me being shit. I just lost my healer mid-dungeon to a disconnect 3 fucking times in a row. There is nothing I can do without a healer :| | ||
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TheEmulator
28100 Posts
On October 17 2018 05:46 Redox wrote: Does this just happen every 5 caches or something? I dont get it. I did some emissaries recently and never saw this. And yeah emissaries have always been bad, which I was totally happy with. You should not get high rewards for doing those brainless chores. Well they changed it last week to scale with your ilvl because so many high ilvl people were complaining about their emissaries being 340 still, although they really messed up and made the threshold a bit too high so only people at or near 370 were actually getting 370 rewards (same with 355 caches). I thought they would change it to 365 at the least, but I guess they went even lower. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 17 2018 06:10 TheEmulator wrote: Well they changed it last week to scale with your ilvl because so many high ilvl people were complaining about their emissaries being 340 still, although they really messed up and made the threshold a bit too high so only people at or near 370 were actually getting 370 rewards (same with 355 caches). I thought they would change it to 365 at the least, but I guess they went even lower. I have 374 and never saw a high cache like you are talking about. Is it only once per week or something? | ||
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