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BfA Community Links:
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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 16:05:12
October 15 2018 16:04 GMT
#9621
Yeah that seems wild

Based on the other data we have, the sub stuff seems plausible. The 47% drop in 2 months being the most relevant and shocking part. I have friends that played through parts of WOD but dropped BFA after a month.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 16:46:19
October 15 2018 16:44 GMT
#9622
The thought of losing weakauras made me wonder how shit I’d suddenly become without them. I’m certain a lot of people would have to relearn a ton of things.

Imagine not having an interrupt tracker and having to actually memorize and mentally keep track of interrupt CDs

My favourite weakauras are the ones that remind me to poison my daggers or tell me I don’t have my pet out lol
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 15 2018 16:48 GMT
#9623
I've never used weak auras. Anyone got any DH recommends for weak auras?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
October 15 2018 16:55 GMT
#9624
Could send you mine, i'l take a few screenshots of em
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 16:58:22
October 15 2018 16:58 GMT
#9625
And if you are inclined to browse heres a good place to start.

https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/demon-hunter
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:01:02
October 15 2018 16:58 GMT
#9626
My advice is to check out Wago.io and search popular auras under the DH filter. If you run M+ there’s a ton of good auras for that too ( interrupt trackers,etc). You can also watch some top DH players stream and see if anything looks good/useful. Most streamers list their ui/auras in their info.

Most basic class auras will just re skin Ui elements. Like my basic rogue auras give me a fancy energy/combo point bar. I also have a roll the bones tracker for when I play Outlaw.

My point being, if you think of anything that could potentially be useful for your class, there’s most likely an aura for it already.

edit: wago advice sniped by 6 seconds
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
October 15 2018 17:01 GMT
#9627
"Show me what I should have" is imo the wrong way to go about it and can lead to useless cluttered screens.

Think about what you want, what your missing currently instead.
Need to see cooldowns at a glance without talking your eyes off the center of the screen to see if your standing in fire?
Need to know if X is ready, or what your health is?

Ask yourself what information you need at hand to play better and go from there.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:10:13
October 15 2018 17:02 GMT
#9628
[image loading]

Purge, Interrupt and AOE stun CD on the left



Main action bar close to center screen to keep eyes on character

Demonic/Momentum tracker



Fel rush + VR cooldown/charge indicators

Immolation Aura and Prepared fury/sec buff trackers under them

Trackers for the three active azerite powers (furious gaze, revolving blades and thirsting)

CD tracker for Meta, trinket and Blur



HP + Fury bars center screen, fury bar changes color when at or above 40 fury; that part is Icehud.


Most of it is only shown while on cooldown or while active. I played without a lot of that stuff until a few days ago but i've really missed it and it helps!

You can do a lot of cool stuff with WA like having dynamic positions depending on if other auras in the same group are active or not.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:14:21
October 15 2018 17:05 GMT
#9629
On October 16 2018 02:01 Gorsameth wrote:
"Show me what I should have" is imo the wrong way to go about it and can lead to useless cluttered screens.

Think about what you want, what your missing currently instead.
Need to see cooldowns at a glance without talking your eyes off the center of the screen to see if your standing in fire?
Need to know if X is ready, or what your health is?

Ask yourself what information you need at hand to play better and go from there.

Agreed, but I think taking inspiration from others is a part of that process and is important to remember. Obviously he shouldn’t blindly copy his favourite player, but looking at that player and going hmm that seems useful I’m gonna use it is something I’ve done a few times.

Also that’s a clean setup Cyro
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
October 15 2018 17:09 GMT
#9630
If youre doing m+, at the very least an interrupt tracker is very useful to make the rotation easier.
https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz
Then theres an amalgamation of WA's for almost every single spell in every dungeon, though i consider those a bit overkill and like 80% of them are quite useless to track tbh. Unfortunately they arent sorted by dungeons. Still helpful for beginners i think.
https://wago.io/r1lqyX32M
If you are a bloodelf(or any purge class), this WA shows on nameplates when you can purge something (with arcane torrent).
https://wago.io/rkvhCRT7X
And of course for 10+ this shows the infested debuff on the nameplates of mobs.
https://wago.io/r18N589rQ

This is all class indepent basic stuff, not even touching class buffs, procs, rotation etc. If you want to succeed in m+, you should have these.


As for the sub discussion, I basically quit, but my account is still subbed for like ever because of tokens. I wonder how many more people there are who pay in tokens and would quit if they had to pay real money.

Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:42:01
October 15 2018 17:39 GMT
#9631
I think for a beginner who has no idea and may not even realise what he needs and doesnt need it would be helpful to pick up a popular weak aura package and then reverse engineer why things are where they are and that stimulates the person interested in it to explore and learn more. Maybe start of by tweaking that preset to their own tastes.

If they go through a process of cluttering and then uncluttering thats fine too imo, its a useful learning experience if someone is really interested in learning it. Everyone learns differently though so theres no best way I suppose.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:52:48
October 15 2018 17:50 GMT
#9632
In my own experience that's basically what I did. I threw myself full force into the ElvUI/WeakAura world before my first char was even lvl 20. It was super overwhelming tho and I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, although it was actually very beneficial for my specific situation. By the time I hit 120 I had a completely personalized setup because I had like 4-5 days of in game play time where I got to fiddle with settings constantly. I knew the ins and outs of the ElvUI config so I could change anything I wanted to on the fly, and I learned all that while the game still wasn't throwing too much else at me (leveling isn't hard these days lol).

Now if I was already 120 and doing raids/M+ I think the slower approach would have been better since completely overhauling my UI/settings out of nowhere would heavily impact gameplay.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 18:26:23
October 15 2018 18:26 GMT
#9633


Didn't hear about this until now :x
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 19:04:20
October 15 2018 19:02 GMT
#9634
About what? People not understanding the system? He played and lost a single match at 2500 and expected a gladiator reward. He even got it explained by the other guy, with his response being "nah fuck that, i played a game though".

You don't get the mythic reward by entering and leaving the dungeon, you have to "win" it.
On track to MA1950A.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 19:31:18
October 15 2018 19:23 GMT
#9635
edit: oh did he get Glad in a different week or not win a single game at the rank? Then I guess he got what he deserved
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 19:43:39
October 15 2018 19:40 GMT
#9636
The point was that it's not explained in the game that you have to do that for the reward

It's not done for the m+ cache either - there is no source that tells you either that azerite armor drops in the weekly cache, that azerite armor drops at a lower level than stated or that BLP exists which has lead to hundreds of threads from people asking why they got 355 gear from their cache which stated it would give them 365 in the UI.

I don't think that it's reasonable to demand that people understand a system with fairly complex rules that hasn't been explained well to them, or even explained at all in some cases.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 15 2018 20:39 GMT
#9637
The particular point about the way information is disseminated aside. I don't feel any sympathy for him. For someone who streams himself reading patch notes its a bit much to complain about that after misreading / misunderstanding and then shifting the posts after being proven wrong.

m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 22:29:09
October 15 2018 22:18 GMT
#9638
On October 16 2018 04:40 Cyro wrote:
The point was that it's not explained in the game that you have to do that for the reward

It's not done for the m+ cache either - there is no source that tells you either that azerite armor drops in the weekly cache, that azerite armor drops at a lower level than stated or that BLP exists which has lead to hundreds of threads from people asking why they got 355 gear from their cache which stated it would give them 365 in the UI.

I don't think that it's reasonable to demand that people understand a system with fairly complex rules that hasn't been explained well to them, or even explained at all in some cases.


No, not in the game, that's true. But to argue that this is bad when that's literally how it worked forever (i don't think mechanics were ever explained in game - you always had to look for a deeper insight somewhere else - best example for me is classic and ooc/spirit manareg/5sec rule) seems off.

And sorry. It's not explained that you have to win to get rewarded? I always assumed that winning is the prerequisite for being rewarded. He literally is asking for an ilvl 390 weapon because he qeued an arena once and lost it. Yeah sure, rules are somewhat complex, but he doesn't grasp it on literally the most basic level possible. Hell, it even has parallels to raids, where you only get locked to a raid if you kill the first boss, not if you wipe twice and then disband.

Win. Get rewarded.

Sidenote, i came back to WoW five weeks ago, basically played no legion and have never even touched mythic stuff. I know that azerite armor can drop in the weekly chest - just not guaranteed. There's blue posts literally making that clear. If i, as the filthy casual that i am, know it, i expect someone who actually invests time and effort in the game to do so too.

Could it be better explained? Of course, i'm not arguing that. Is that moron there an entitled douchebag that doesn't even try to understand what happened, and even denies it after it's being explained to him?

You bet.

I don't think that it's reasonable to demand that people understand a system with fairly complex rules that hasn't been explained well to them, or even explained at all in some cases.


It is. The other guy that he's talking to understood it, i did, and i bet many others did too. Of course, there can be things that are "foggy" at best, and i agree that sucks. But the case that you linked is as clear cut as it gets, and it instantly got confirmed by his mate that did understand it.

edit: just as a clarification, i'm not fanboying here - i have my own issues with WoW that, with this expansion, pissed me off more than with any other expansion before - i'm talking specifically the case you linked.

edit2: finally got my Mag'har Orcs too. First hunter for me in like 10 years or something, i assume BM is still the spec to level with?
On track to MA1950A.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
October 15 2018 23:24 GMT
#9639
If you want to play survival at cap, then level with it. It plays very different than traditional hunter. The only spec you ‘shouldn’t’ level as is MM but thatspec is so fucked you should more or less pretend it doesn’t exist.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-16 10:17:35
October 16 2018 10:11 GMT
#9640
Boy am i glad i didn't play MM! At one point in beta it was looking positive and then the hype train derailed, set on fire and exploded.

Some of the worst azerite balance in the game (one trait is worth literally double that of the second best trait), straight up broken gameplay (numbers/playstyle not working as obviously intended and the usual spec flaws that come from inventing a spec and then mostly abandoning it a month later)

no word on 8.1 improvements either
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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