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On September 30 2018 00:21 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2018 00:18 Tappo wrote:On September 29 2018 14:17 Rebs wrote:On September 29 2018 08:35 Wala.Revolution wrote:+ Show Spoiler [my thought on endgame content] +I didn't play wow for that long and I only played one other mmo in my life. I might be wrong but hardest part of doing mythic raiding (or any highest endgame content) is finding a group of people who have the same level of time commitment. If I were looking for a guild for mythic raiding, and another boomkin and I applied to same guild with all other things equal except ilvl and corresponding parses as a result of that ilvl/trait difference, wouldn't the one with higher parse have a bigger chance? Parses matter but they matter in the context of how well you are doing relative to what you have and alot of other factors, if guilds are just taking the "highest parse" you dont want to be in that guild. All other things being equal is a very restrictive condition to place here, your hypothetical might be valid, but its still just a hypothetical because all things wont be equal, and they shouldnt be, and thats the point. + Show Spoiler + The first 3 tiers of legion I raided with a 3 day guild that regularly finishes in the top 150-200 and is mostly made of people similar to me who played in top 30-40 guilds back in the vanilla - cata days and they took me primarly on my experience despite being 6 years out of the game, with a fresh US account that had nothing on it. I did prove to them that the EU account was mine with all the achievements etc but thats about it, and all of this barely into an expac that was in many ways a completely different game to the one I had left. There were alot of better geared people then me available because I started a month late, but my parses (and other discerning factors like mechanics) along with the conversations I had with them put me over the hill. The inability to do "full damage" along wiith some people getting lucky and others not has literally existed since the beginning of time, and frankly the amount of effort it takes is a joke compared to what it was. Things wont always be equal and some people will have better items then you and some wont. Loot is important but Ive never felt a sense of accomplishment getting loot. Its always been about what the loot allows me to achieve and gives me the best chance to achieve it. Guilds and players always talk about loot being a means to progression and not an end. Yet 90 percent of the complaints are about not getting loot because it doesnt allow me to be the best i can be. I dont know.. it just feels weird. Points like having to hold onto 40x pieces because of the looming tuning passes does make sense. I am sitting in the same boat and its kinda anoying. But tbh I did that last expac too so it doesnt really feel like a big deal either. Loot is also always going to be gated in some way or the other. The major whinging always tends to be over how and when its gated. You dont need 40 pieces. People already clear ALL CONTENT with their current traits. If one trait feels incredible overtuned, which only seems to be the case for moonkin, you should have an backup. There is no need to be an hoarder. Blizzard is not going to completely gut a certain trait out of nothing The 40 peices thing was obviously hyperbole. This was the case for my monk aswell until they gutted swift RH and I would have been in the dumps if I hadnt held onto the 4x chest pieces that I had to choose from when they started tuning. How do I know which of those 4 chest pieces is going to be the best after the round of tuning ? Explain that to me? Why should i just arbitrarily pick 1 backup ? What if I get rid of the wrong one ? And to take that example further, they didnt just nerf Swift RH, they absolutely murdered it. Its gone from douuble the second best trait by far the best trait to the 3rd worst. Everyone knew it would get nerfed but you had no idea what was going to get adjusted and how. So really stop. your argument is terrible. I can literally off the top of my head thing about 20 items/pieces/trinkets that I had to hold onto last expansion in just the first 3 tiers. And yes Blizzard has a history of absolutely gutting things and would have suffered greatly if I didnt because I had no way of knowing how the tuning passes would affect my class. The people that are clearing all content are doing so with time and investment that not all people have. SO please shutup about that. Comparing the time and investment from mythic raiders who have time and the ability to refarm things as needed to optimize their performance to regular people is wrong. So what if I can clear all content ? What does that have to do with my inability to optimize my character on a personal level ? As for full damage, I dont know who you are talking to about that because I was disagreeing with that sentiment and someones concern on that. What I will say though is what if I dont play perfectly? Being gated from my ability to do so (if that is indeed the case). The what aboutism is real. No its not the end of the world. But its still something you have to do and its not a good feeling not matter how much you try to be an asshole about it saying it doesnt matter.
Hyperbole sums up the whole situation perfectly. 20 items? Which one? And you clearly want to be a special snowflake. Dont you think you have to go the extra mile for that?
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There is no need to be an hoarder. Blizzard is not going to completely gut a certain trait out of nothing.
The best havoc trait got nerfed by >2x and one of the lower ones buffed by 2x. The trait used to be 3-4x better on the live server and now it's less desirable.
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On September 30 2018 04:07 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +There is no need to be an hoarder. Blizzard is not going to completely gut a certain trait out of nothing. The best havoc trait got nerfed by >2x and one of the lower ones buffed by 2x. The trait used to be 3-4x better on the live server and now it's less desirable.
i think hes proved at this point hes just here to bait. I dont think there is anything left to discuss. He has no arguments beyond, "dont be an entitled snowflake" which isnt really an argument. Hi Tom[ Lahren, is that you ?
On September 30 2018 01:55 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2018 00:21 Rebs wrote:On September 30 2018 00:18 Tappo wrote:On September 29 2018 14:17 Rebs wrote:On September 29 2018 08:35 Wala.Revolution wrote:+ Show Spoiler [my thought on endgame content] +I didn't play wow for that long and I only played one other mmo in my life. I might be wrong but hardest part of doing mythic raiding (or any highest endgame content) is finding a group of people who have the same level of time commitment. If I were looking for a guild for mythic raiding, and another boomkin and I applied to same guild with all other things equal except ilvl and corresponding parses as a result of that ilvl/trait difference, wouldn't the one with higher parse have a bigger chance? Parses matter but they matter in the context of how well you are doing relative to what you have and alot of other factors, if guilds are just taking the "highest parse" you dont want to be in that guild. All other things being equal is a very restrictive condition to place here, your hypothetical might be valid, but its still just a hypothetical because all things wont be equal, and they shouldnt be, and thats the point. + Show Spoiler + The first 3 tiers of legion I raided with a 3 day guild that regularly finishes in the top 150-200 and is mostly made of people similar to me who played in top 30-40 guilds back in the vanilla - cata days and they took me primarly on my experience despite being 6 years out of the game, with a fresh US account that had nothing on it. I did prove to them that the EU account was mine with all the achievements etc but thats about it, and all of this barely into an expac that was in many ways a completely different game to the one I had left. There were alot of better geared people then me available because I started a month late, but my parses (and other discerning factors like mechanics) along with the conversations I had with them put me over the hill. The inability to do "full damage" along wiith some people getting lucky and others not has literally existed since the beginning of time, and frankly the amount of effort it takes is a joke compared to what it was. Things wont always be equal and some people will have better items then you and some wont. Loot is important but Ive never felt a sense of accomplishment getting loot. Its always been about what the loot allows me to achieve and gives me the best chance to achieve it. Guilds and players always talk about loot being a means to progression and not an end. Yet 90 percent of the complaints are about not getting loot because it doesnt allow me to be the best i can be. I dont know.. it just feels weird. Points like having to hold onto 40x pieces because of the looming tuning passes does make sense. I am sitting in the same boat and its kinda anoying. But tbh I did that last expac too so it doesnt really feel like a big deal either. Loot is also always going to be gated in some way or the other. The major whinging always tends to be over how and when its gated. You dont need 40 pieces. People already clear ALL CONTENT with their current traits. If one trait feels incredible overtuned, which only seems to be the case for moonkin, you should have an backup. There is no need to be an hoarder. Blizzard is not going to completely gut a certain trait out of nothing The 40 peices thing was obviously hyperbole. This was the case for my monk aswell until they gutted swift RH and I would have been in the dumps if I hadnt held onto the 4x chest pieces that I had to choose from when they started tuning. How do I know which of those 4 chest pieces is going to be the best after the round of tuning ? Explain that to me? Why should i just arbitrarily pick 1 backup ? What if I get rid of the wrong one ? And to take that example further, they didnt just nerf Swift RH, they absolutely murdered it. Its gone from douuble the second best trait by far the best trait to the 3rd worst. Everyone knew it would get nerfed but you had no idea what was going to get adjusted and how. So really stop. your argument is terrible. I can literally off the top of my head thing about 20 items/pieces/trinkets that I had to hold onto last expansion in just the first 3 tiers. And yes Blizzard has a history of absolutely gutting things and would have suffered greatly if I didnt because I had no way of knowing how the tuning passes would affect my class. The people that are clearing all content are doing so with time and investment that not all people have. SO please shutup about that. Comparing the time and investment from mythic raiders who have time and the ability to refarm things as needed to optimize their performance to regular people is wrong. So what if I can clear all content ? What does that have to do with my inability to optimize my character on a personal level ? As for full damage, I dont know who you are talking to about that because I was disagreeing with that sentiment and someones concern on that. What I will say though is what if I dont play perfectly? Being gated from my ability to do so (if that is indeed the case). The what aboutism is real. No its not the end of the world. But its still something you have to do and its not a good feeling not matter how much you try to be an asshole about it saying it doesnt matter. Hyperbole sums up the whole situation perfectly. 20 items? Which one? And you clearly want to be a special snowflake. Dont you think you have to go the extra mile for that?
I dont really have a problem with any of those things, I am happy with the game, but the grievances people have are legitimate. You clearly didnt even follow the discussion when you replied to me initially so Im not really sure how to deal with the lack of a clue here.
Im just gonna snowflake my way out of this one. My feelings are clearly way to hurt to deal with this anymore.
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On September 30 2018 04:07 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +There is no need to be an hoarder. Blizzard is not going to completely gut a certain trait out of nothing. The best havoc trait got nerfed by >2x and one of the lower ones buffed by 2x. The trait used to be 3-4x better on the live server and now it's less desirable.
So you are saying they nerfed something that is overtuned and buffed something that is undertuned? Like they balanced them to be on the same level? Are you talking about those changes?:
Eyes of Rage damage increased by 20%.
Furious Gaze haste increased by 40% and duration increased to 12 seconds (was 8 seconds).
Revolving Blades damage reduced by 35%.
Thirsting Blades damage increased by 70%.
Here is how Mythic Havoc azerite traits go: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=2134&class=DemonHunter
Revolving Blades was nerfed the last time 24. September. Even before that, people didnt go 3/3 Revolving Blades at all cost. The only one dominating ones are the Uldir traits. So tell me, how does this proof your point of having to hoard traits.
By the way: I added that you should have a backup for something that is heavily overtuned. When they "gut" that kind of trait, its not out of nothing. And having like 3 different azerite armor on every spot is not hoarding. But of course, people have to hyperbole with 40 pieces! So please tell me, what classes have to hoard a shitton of azerite gear just because the are going to be completely fucked once trait X is nerfed. Less desirable doesnt equal useless.
"But 340 bis azerite gear traits are better than bad 385!" is also bullshit. You see alot of people wearing 385 azerite with All-Classes trait. So either those people havent been lucky enough to get their precious BIS 340 gear or they dont know to gear up. Which is odd, because they top all damage meters
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Warcraft Logs
@WarcraftLogs
Sufficient warning has been given, and the "knowingly uploading bugged logs" clause is now in effect.
From this point forward, if you upload third room MOTHER exploits, your entire guild as well as all characters involved in the kill will be permanently banned from WCL.
"as well as all characters involved in the kill will be permanently banned from WCL"
I get this for exploits like the MOTHER stuff where it's clear to everyone what's happening, i usually hearth out of such cases. I hope that's not extended to weird shit because i've had more than a couple of logs removed because some random guy that i didn't know was doing an exploit without my knowledge. With 20-30 man groups you can hardly be sure that everyone else is playing legit.
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Tappo since you showed up this thread has gone from polite discussion about WoW to rude arguing. Perhaps you are not the only person contributing to this, but you are clearly the catalyst. Tone it down and keep things civil, and the same applies to any other posters who disagree with you. This post is the only moderation action you should expect prior to formal warnings, thread bans, etc.
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I didnt know you can exploit mother? You immediately die on pull if you are in room 2 or 3 from what ive seen?
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On September 30 2018 06:23 micronesia wrote:
Tappo since you showed up this thread has gone from polite discussion about WoW to rude arguing. Perhaps you are not the only person contributing to this, but you are clearly the catalyst. Tone it down and keep things civil, and the same applies to any other posters who disagree with you. This post is the only moderation action you should expect prior to formal warnings, thread bans, etc.
Im the only one providing evidence that the OH MY GOD BROKEN AZERITE is not as broken as people make it to be. Oh no wait, someone just posted that Warcraftlogs is bugged and not reliable. Fuck. Guess i have to rely on peoples feeling again. Go on with the bitching!
One of those "polite discussion" leader called me a "Strawman" for not agreeing with everyone else. He wasnt even warned for this lowest form of discredition. People in this thread just argued in circles with no way out. "gated" gated" "gated" "gated out of X"
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On September 30 2018 06:42 Warri wrote:
I didnt know you can exploit mother? You immediately die on pull if you are in room 2 or 3 from what ive seen?
You soulstone a healer, have them accept it after the boss dies and then mass res in room 3. You can pull the boss when it respawns and take it to the third room; the fire doesn't do fatal damage through healing CD's and goes away shortly after the fight starts. You then skip most of the fight as you don't have to swap rooms and have the double damage right from the start
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On September 30 2018 06:47 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2018 06:23 micronesia wrote:
Tappo since you showed up this thread has gone from polite discussion about WoW to rude arguing. Perhaps you are not the only person contributing to this, but you are clearly the catalyst. Tone it down and keep things civil, and the same applies to any other posters who disagree with you. This post is the only moderation action you should expect prior to formal warnings, thread bans, etc. Im the only one providing evidence that the OH MY GOD BROKEN AZERITE is not as broken as people make it to be. Oh no wait, someone just posted that Warcraftlogs is bugged and not reliable. Fuck. Guess i have to rely on peoples feeling again. Go on with the bitching! One of those "polite discussion" leader called me a "Strawman" for not agreeing with everyone else. He wasnt even warned for this lowest form of discredition. People in this thread just argued in circles with no way out. "gated" gated" "gated" "gated out of X"
I pretty much agree with you 100% and also agree 100% that the last page of thread has been pointless arguing that’s unpleasant to read.
It’s not “what” you are saying, it’s “how” you are saying it.
In general people love to complain about how bad WoW is while still playing it. That’s been the case forever and while I don’t care for it, complaining about the complainers is also a waste of time so I’d recommend not bothering.
Per azerite, my opinion: systems bad, but it’s not that hard to deal with it. There’s ALWAYS been problems with gear. I was still wearing mandatory 2p t19 going into Antorus and never saw an arcano. So far nothing close to that level of annoyance to me personally. xD
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I thought they fixed that mother exploit.
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Maybe they did, i haven't done it
I caused a wipe yesterday in an Atal ~12 on the hard pack. We CC'd 3 or 4 things and pulled the rest away, killing the totem with single target attacks; in the space of like 5 seconds that it took to kill it my Azerite Globules procced 3 times and blew up, breaking all of the CC's. Guess i'l be taking earthlink etc instead in the future.. 
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On September 30 2018 06:47 Tappo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2018 06:23 micronesia wrote:
Tappo since you showed up this thread has gone from polite discussion about WoW to rude arguing. Perhaps you are not the only person contributing to this, but you are clearly the catalyst. Tone it down and keep things civil, and the same applies to any other posters who disagree with you. This post is the only moderation action you should expect prior to formal warnings, thread bans, etc. Im the only one providing evidence that the OH MY GOD BROKEN AZERITE is not as broken as people make it to be. Oh no wait, someone just posted that Warcraftlogs is bugged and not reliable. Fuck. Guess i have to rely on peoples feeling again. Go on with the bitching! One of those "polite discussion" leader called me a "Strawman" for not agreeing with everyone else. He wasnt even warned for this lowest form of discredition. People in this thread just argued in circles with no way out. "gated" gated" "gated" "gated out of X"
Your lack of a clue comes from that that is that I was actually on your side of the fence and you started arguing with me. Which if you had actually cared to the follow the discussion instead of just trying to pick fights would have been rather obvious. Y
The difference is that I think the game is fine while acknowledging that peoples complaints have some legitimacy.
User was warned for this post
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On October 01 2018 03:24 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2018 06:47 Tappo wrote:On September 30 2018 06:23 micronesia wrote:
Tappo since you showed up this thread has gone from polite discussion about WoW to rude arguing. Perhaps you are not the only person contributing to this, but you are clearly the catalyst. Tone it down and keep things civil, and the same applies to any other posters who disagree with you. This post is the only moderation action you should expect prior to formal warnings, thread bans, etc. Im the only one providing evidence that the OH MY GOD BROKEN AZERITE is not as broken as people make it to be. Oh no wait, someone just posted that Warcraftlogs is bugged and not reliable. Fuck. Guess i have to rely on peoples feeling again. Go on with the bitching! One of those "polite discussion" leader called me a "Strawman" for not agreeing with everyone else. He wasnt even warned for this lowest form of discredition. People in this thread just argued in circles with no way out. "gated" gated" "gated" "gated out of X" Your lack of a clue comes from that that is that I was actually on your side of the fence and you started arguing with me. Which if you had actually cared to the follow the discussion instead of just trying to pick fights would have been rather obvious. Y The difference is that I think the game is fine while acknowledging that peoples complaints have some legitimacy.
Now what? He went personal. I cant go personal. What am i supposed to do? PM is not an option here.
Not sure what side of the fence you are talking about. Most of your posts are rants about looting, time investment and hoarding. You kept on saying that people have to hoard/refarm all the time just because they adjusted traits. Which is wrong. Go for it, check all the traits on Warcraftlogs and tell me which one dominates (affliction with corruption on zul does).
God i hope you arent talking about the cutting edge azerite 340 only community. And of course you were just being hyperbole for the extra "is he for real now"
PS: I got baited. Great
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On October 01 2018 10:55 TheEmulator wrote:Rough week for me  - 8/8 normal uldir with only 1 drop that was barely an upgrade (understandable considering I'm 355 atm so it's hard to find good normal pieces) - 4/8 heroic with 0 drops atm. Hoping to kill zek at least before tuesday so I'm holding out for a drop on that. - M+ cache was a major downgrade. Timewalking cache also a major downgrade. - Mythic+ loot overall has been bad too. Only a couple of small upgrades, but nothing major. - No drop from the world boss, but that's whatever I guess
I know how you feel. I did 8/8 N and gave away all my gear because the only thing thats upgrade is azerite gear x.x
Hoping to get something good in my cache (were +5 ilvls from the gloves I had this past week).
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Still haven't gotten an upgrade from my weekly cache. But then I guess that's because I got lucky with m+...
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Yea at 360 Ilvl Normal is like meh just running for Mythrax for my Azerite piece. Still need to do the last 2 bosses in Heroic.
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Up to 356 ilvl and beat my first +9 freehold today. Woohoo!
Second boss of freehold is definitely the hardest. Every time I wipe on that dungeon, it's the second boss. Kept me from upgrading my key, but at least I finished it.
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