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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 26 2016 15:09 GMT
#4861
Anyone who gets annoyed by not getting invites to the groups, have you actually tried making one yourself once? There's a billion dps going to sign up immediately and only thing you can judge them by in the finder is their ilvl. If every single person of that list whispered you an achievement or something, you'd spend 5 minutes scrolling through your chat to see them all.

Like just put in the info window what your progress on main is. Maybe spec as well. If they want more info, they will whisper you.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-26 15:36:14
December 26 2016 15:33 GMT
#4862
On December 27 2016 00:09 daemir wrote:
Anyone who gets annoyed by not getting invites to the groups, have you actually tried making one yourself once? There's a billion dps going to sign up immediately and only thing you can judge them by in the finder is their ilvl. If every single person of that list whispered you an achievement or something, you'd spend 5 minutes scrolling through your chat to see them all.

Like just put in the info window what your progress on main is. Maybe spec as well. If they want more info, they will whisper you.

What is this question lol. Everyone makes groups themselves with their keys and knows what it is like. I never had to spend 5 minutes to scroll through acv whispers though.
Off-season = best season
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 26 2016 16:31 GMT
#4863
+12 hov depleted lfg
Anyone who thinks its hard to find a group as dps hasnt tried trying a group as shadow. It's like on a completely different level of impossible. But at least 7.1.5 is right around the corner.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-26 16:42:24
December 26 2016 16:42 GMT
#4864
Everyone makes groups themselves with their keys


I don't ever do that (can only run your own key a few times, no need to PUG it as it's more valuable than an average run) but plenty of making runs with other peoples keys
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 26 2016 16:53 GMT
#4865
I only ever get BRH or VoW keys, it's been a month since I've run my own key.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 26 2016 17:13 GMT
#4866
VoW is pretty cool, i just don't run HOV ever or certain affixes of BRH
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 26 2016 17:21 GMT
#4867
On December 27 2016 02:13 Cyro wrote:
VoW is pretty cool, i just don't run HOV ever or certain affixes of BRH


I don't like tanking VoW, and I'm usually tanking my own keys to make it easier.
Also dunno why but doing 3 chests seems harder in VoW than in other dungeons.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 26 2016 18:20 GMT
#4868
VotW has most of the trash frontloaded at the start and benefits from clean big pulls there as well as kiting big adds into bosses 3+4
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-26 18:41:02
December 26 2016 18:40 GMT
#4869
On December 27 2016 00:33 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 00:09 daemir wrote:
Anyone who gets annoyed by not getting invites to the groups, have you actually tried making one yourself once? There's a billion dps going to sign up immediately and only thing you can judge them by in the finder is their ilvl. If every single person of that list whispered you an achievement or something, you'd spend 5 minutes scrolling through your chat to see them all.

Like just put in the info window what your progress on main is. Maybe spec as well. If they want more info, they will whisper you.

What is this question lol. Everyone makes groups themselves with their keys and knows what it is like. I never had to spend 5 minutes to scroll through acv whispers though.


No, majority of people do not make their own grps, they queue up for other's grps and whine when they don't get invited. That's down to simple human behaviour, go the route of least resistance. People in general do not want to take responsibility of building a group.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
December 26 2016 20:44 GMT
#4870
Since I started the PUG whine, I will clarify that I'm talking about groups who I've seen for 5minutes without a healer and then they reject my 855+ healer for a lowly m+ run because of gear. Yes, I've asked every time. Of course I start my own group for my keys and I have been building PUG raids since WotLK (back when you had to pick all the right classes to get every buff). I don't complain about my assumptions.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-26 21:17:53
December 26 2016 21:10 GMT
#4871
On December 27 2016 03:40 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 00:33 Redox wrote:
On December 27 2016 00:09 daemir wrote:
Anyone who gets annoyed by not getting invites to the groups, have you actually tried making one yourself once? There's a billion dps going to sign up immediately and only thing you can judge them by in the finder is their ilvl. If every single person of that list whispered you an achievement or something, you'd spend 5 minutes scrolling through your chat to see them all.

Like just put in the info window what your progress on main is. Maybe spec as well. If they want more info, they will whisper you.

What is this question lol. Everyone makes groups themselves with their keys and knows what it is like. I never had to spend 5 minutes to scroll through acv whispers though.


No, majority of people do not make their own grps, they queue up for other's grps and whine when they don't get invited. That's down to simple human behaviour, go the route of least resistance. People in general do not want to take responsibility of building a group.

We were talking about badly to mediocre equipped DDs that have trouble finding a group. Of course these players use their keys because it allows them to get groups way above their own equip or skill level. Those guys are the source for the keys for others that have no trouble finding a group and do hundreds of M+.
Of course their own key is only good for 3 dungeons or so, after that they have to use other people's keys themselves and then it gets more difficult. That is not the path of less resistance at all.


Off-season = best season
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 21:29:48
December 26 2016 21:13 GMT
#4872
Many of those groups will run more than a few dungeons, waiting for a stronger group often pays for itself. The amount of people signing up is usually quite a bit higher than the amount of active groups, too few people making/leading groups and too many that want to sign up and go that are getting chain declined or ignored
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
December 27 2016 02:27 GMT
#4873
On December 27 2016 01:31 Warri wrote:

Anyone who thinks its hard to find a group as dps hasnt tried trying a group as shadow. It's like on a completely different level of impossible. But at least 7.1.5 is right around the corner.


oh i know that feel alright... 882 shadow and gets rejected all the time because LUL no AoE. although, technically, i can pull decent AoE with aran's ruby and the leggo ring. but they won't know that. I just run +10 and i'm done for the week since i'm gonna get some crappy vers gear from the chest anyway


Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 21:43:31
December 27 2016 21:33 GMT
#4874
I leveled paladin to 108 today, ret is quite possibly the worst spec for paladin leveling (far lower dmg than prot, bit lower damage than holy? definitely the worst survivability..)

Seraphim probably gives more free stats to prot than i have on my whole gear, so that explains that part
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 22:25:23
December 27 2016 22:24 GMT
#4875
ret doesnt have any dmg outside of crusade every 2 minutes no matter at what itemlevel.
[image loading]
But the worst about that is crusade isnt even good for burst to kill one medium sized mob quickly as it has ~6-10sec ramp up time for it to be at max stacks, unlike say combustion.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-27 23:02:03
December 27 2016 22:28 GMT
#4876
Havoc has even bigger peaks and valleys than that at the moment with similar reliance on cooldowns (burst can exceed 2m or even sometimes 2.5m DPS but maybe 250-300k sustained DPS in periods with nothing up). That leads to topping meters on pull, maybe the absolute strongest burst you can get but falling >10% below ret and especially some other classes with consistently moderate damage after a bit of fight time

Lotsa stuff is changing in 7.1.5, though!

I see simcraft page is trying to put up a comparison but they have all of the talents and gear all wrong so it's useless at the moment

--

The thing i ran into was that even if i fought a mob for 25 seconds to get the perfect crusade ramp, my final DPS at the end of the fight was just lower than the other specs due to wet noodle sword

Holy might not have much going for it outside of cooldown windows while prot seems to be universally good with strong ST, strong AOE and that infamous survivability
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-28 18:26:28
December 28 2016 18:25 GMT
#4877
On December 28 2016 07:28 Cyro wrote:
Havoc has even bigger peaks and valleys than that at the moment with similar reliance on cooldowns (burst can exceed 2m or even sometimes 2.5m DPS but maybe 250-300k sustained DPS in periods with nothing up). That leads to topping meters on pull, maybe the absolute strongest burst you can get but falling >10% below ret and especially some other classes with consistently moderate damage after a bit of fight time

Lotsa stuff is changing in 7.1.5, though!

I see simcraft page is trying to put up a comparison but they have all of the talents and gear all wrong so it's useless at the moment

--

The thing i ran into was that even if i fought a mob for 25 seconds to get the perfect crusade ramp, my final DPS at the end of the fight was just lower than the other specs due to wet noodle sword

Holy might not have much going for it outside of cooldown windows while prot seems to be universally good with strong ST, strong AOE and that infamous survivability

Ret is kinda gimmicky with retribution passive though and the might buff, so yeah when youre solo questing ret isnt fully utilized.

97% parse on heroic helya as prot pala with 2 ret legs (kill me). I think if i had the pants and vantus runed id get 99%. Too bad.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-28 20:27:40
December 28 2016 20:27 GMT
#4878
Might is gone in 7.1.5, the good legendaries are nerfed a bit iirc and +12% damage compensation :D
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-29 21:42:16
December 29 2016 21:40 GMT
#4879
On December 23 2016 03:32 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2016 03:10 Warri wrote:
Some lucky dude in my tov heroic raid just got a 880+socket boe cloak. Then i got the mastery stat stick from helya coined. Then looted the same one. Already had the 875 mastery urn from nightbane too. If i looted first there is no way i wouldve coined the same item, or is that possible? fml.


Nah you can coin the same item, nothing prevents that


Well, that just happened too. Got chest from odyn 875, coined..same chest again. And i already had the same one too. At least the coin one is 5 ilvl higher...
[image loading]
Still a bit salty though. My belt slot is 860 and i just cant get an upgrade for it.
Edit: actually just noticed i have one of those in the bank too. So yeah i have 4 of them.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 30 2016 09:13 GMT
#4880
Anyone knows how non-fire mages will look come 7.1.5? I'm looking for a ranged dps that is smooth to play (for me at least), mainly for M+. Frost mage looks fun, but a part of me doubts it can compete with fire.
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