[WoW] Battle for Azeroth - Page 214

On November 18 2016 17:49 Cyro wrote:
Previous raids have had 30-300 wipe bosses even when overgearing because of difficult mechanics - "Oh by the way, the boss kills everybody at 4:00" is just not that. I don't particularly enjoy some of the "Oops, somebody screwed up a bit and your whole raid got oneshot" mechanics but it's a step above mathematically impossible walls if it comes to that

On November 18 2016 23:04 nimbim wrote:
I imagine they only tried to dodge the lava and didnt use any ability in that time. You don't really have to move in a fight during questing.

On November 18 2016 23:14 NonY wrote:

I like this raid design. It's not fair with respect to racing other guilds that have different classes but that's true of most fights, just not in as obvious ways.

There are a lot of players who are interested in maximizing damage, which is clear from the attention paid to damage meter addons and logging sites. And it's not for no reason; it is a fun pursuit. So this one is for them.

What is really cool though is that a guild can avoid wasting their own time. It is clear when they're not ready yet and can spend their scheduled time together powering up their characters rather than wipe repeatedly.

It'd be bad if every fight was like this but I think they timed the entrance of this one into the expansion perfectly. It's tuned right around when people who have worked hard on their characters are crossing the required character power. Like there are mythic raiders not doing any world quests, order hall missions or weekly +10/+12 and they shouldn't continue to keep up with characters who have done those things just because raid fights prioritize strategy over performance so much. It is good to have an obstacle in the middle of raids designed to hold back certain players and guilds.

On November 19 2016 00:29 Kreb wrote:

Oh boy. That description fits nothing but maybe the top 100 guilds in the world or so. Guild after that will most definitely have a few people lagging behind on Artifact power/level or just general lack of skill. You're not tuning an instance for the top 1% then. Not even top 0.1%. More likely the top 0.05% is what the instance would be tuned for. You'd have the whole population thats killing Helya HC in 1-2 weeks who arent able to do mythic quit or lose interest in no time. Not to mention the strain you'd put guilds through because they'd have to require people to farm X ap every week to not lag behind (and all the lovely management of dealing with poeple who didnt quite make the requirements) while also requiring a very high base skill.

At best you could salvage that by remaking HC to Mythic (and make Normal and LFR follow suit, or add a new difficulty) and rename Mythic to Inhuman and tell everyone this is for the top 2000 people in the world or something. Like thats every gonna happen.

On another note, just judging by Blizzards previous handling, I'm fully expecting nerfs to come. They'll probably wait with Helya until its been killed though (also according to previous way of dealing with it). But the pace which Odyn/Ghuarm is dying at (or rather not dying) is most definitely not intended if you look at any of Blizz's actions in previous situations. With no auto-nerfing mechanic in place (a growing legendary like in WoD or debuff like in ICC or so), I dont see the current difficulty lasting long.

On November 19 2016 00:56 Cyro wrote:
I don't think it's a massive problem, it's just not at all what i expected. It's not progress for us, just a wall

On November 19 2016 00:29 Kreb wrote:

Oh boy. That description fits nothing but maybe the top 100 guilds in the world or so. Guild after that will most definitely have a few people lagging behind on Artifact power/level or just general lack of skill. You're not tuning an instance for the top 1% then. Not even top 0.1%. More likely the top 0.05% is what the instance would be tuned for. You'd have the whole population thats killing Helya HC in 1-2 weeks who arent able to do mythic quit or lose interest in no time. Not to mention the strain you'd put guilds through because they'd have to require people to farm X ap every week to not lag behind (and all the lovely management of dealing with poeple who didnt quite make the requirements) while also requiring a very high base skill.

At best you could salvage that by remaking HC to Mythic (and make Normal and LFR follow suit, or add a new difficulty) and rename Mythic to Inhuman and tell everyone this is for the top 3000 people in the world or something. Like thats every gonna happen.

On another note, just judging by Blizzards previous handling, I'm fully expecting nerfs to come. They'll probably wait with Helya until its been killed though (also according to previous way of dealing with it). But the pace which Odyn/Ghuarm is dying at (or rather not dying) is most definitely not intended if you look at any of Blizz's actions in previous situations. With no auto-nerfing mechanic in place (a growing legendary like in WoD or debuff like in ICC or so), I dont see the current difficulty lasting long.

You'd have the whole population thats killing Helya HC in 1-2 weeks who arent able to do mythic quit or lose interest in no time.

On November 19 2016 01:53 Warri wrote:
Method world first again. Really surprising, where did they get so many good raiders after that split.

On November 19 2016 01:40 Cyro wrote:
Fortified (+40% add dmg, +20% add hp) plays a huge part in that too; teeming fortified, raging fortified etc can be really harsh.

The Skittish can be taken care of with careful aggro monitoring and a tank that is set up to deal damage. Mitigation doesn't help when you can't hold aggro 'cause it doesn't apply to your groupmates, having the damage to pull the mob back in 0.5 seconds instead of 5 seconds means the world for melees