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The goal of this post is to start a LOTV map hacker data base. Combating cheating on ladder is incredibly difficult. It is my hope that this sparks community dialogue and motivation to implement anti-hack software.
[08.12.2015]
Guidelines:
Format as per TL Hacker Database thread. Submissions should follow the format:
Hacker name:
Server:
League:
Evidence:
Vote:
Example:
Hacker name: [example]myriner
Server: LOTV_BETA
League: Master vs Diamond
Evidence: A general description of events that occurred. Highlight events (w/ time stamp) that could only happen if player was using software to obtain information in fog of war. It is too subjective to say "If the player wasn't map hacking he would have done X, Y, or Z." Some hacking is difficult to prove. Attacking a new expansion without scouting could be hacking or good game sense. The most objective evidence revolves around decisions players are making based on units in FOW. The more mouse clicks the player makes directly on units in FOW & responses to information he shouldn't have, the higher the suspicion the player is hacking.
A good test is one that has few false positives and few false negatives. The last thing we want to do is start a witch hunt and send an innocent man to the electric chair. (Watching the player's view and contrasting it with their clicks in fog of war may result in the best specificity and sensitivity)
+ Show Spoiler +
6:47 player clicks on dropship in fog of war
*16:08 player sends army to defend BEFORE the scv has vision of incoming units
*17:44 army moves north player instantly attack moves to that army's location with no vision;
19:25 scans four hellbats in fog of war just left of expansion
21:00 goes back to this expansion scans on only units there
*21:50 Moves entire army back to main with no vision of the map and is starring at the unit thats about to see the incoming attack note 21:56 is particularly encriminating
Vote: Poll: --- Was the player hacking beyond a reasonable doubt ---(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No or not enough evidence
This is only a starting point; This thread welcomes the assistance of anyone who is objective and passionate about stopping cheating on the ladder.
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http://lotv.spawningtool.com/1883/
Hacker name: [ConFed] Propenguin
Server: LOTV_BETA
League: GM v SILVER
Evidence: Responds to units in fog of war. ConFed has hacked in clan wars in the past. Click spoiler for starred time stamps. I watched this replay twice thinking there was no way he was cheating but watched it again because of the clan name. It was only after watching it a third time that I appreciated the abnormalities.+ Show Spoiler +6:47 player clicks on dropship in fog of war
*16:08 player sends army to defend BEFORE the scv has vision of incoming units
*17:44 army moves north player instantly attack moves to that army's location with no vision;
19:25 scans four hellbats in fog of war just left of expansion
21:00 goes back to this expansion scans on only units there
*21:50 Moves entire army back to main with no vision of the map and is starring at the unit thats about to see the incoming attack note 21:56 is particularly encriminating
Vote: Poll: Map Hacker(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No or not enough evidence
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It is quite as there are hackers already in the LOTV beta T_T
Thanks for making this thread though! I will look for the replay I have where I played a blatant hacker, will update soon.
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I'm okay with cheating as long as you don't imply other people that are not willing to cheat.
It is really pathetic to rely on cheats to play against others. I'm not saying "that's bad, you shouldn't do that, blabla..", I'm saying that cheating to PLAY is ridiculous (I'm not talking about the people doing that for the ladder rank)
And what about people doing that on a BETA.. I understand that people made cheats, but why do they use it ? You must have such a low esteem of yourself and be so desperate about life to cheat on a BETA where people only try to fix and experiment the game..
We shouldn't spend out time on blaming them when they obviously need serious psychological help.
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http://lotv.spawningtool.com/2034/
Hacker name: RaptoR
Server: LOTV_BETA
League: GM v Dia
Evidence: Responds to units in fog of war. Click spoiler for starred time stamps.
+ Show Spoiler + *5:50 preemptively starts to run drop ship away while looking at where vikings are approaching. *7:40 Abandons drop to attack hellions in fog of war
Poll: Map HAcker?(Vote): yes
(Vote): no or not enough evidence
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Make sure you have good, strong evidence if you post anything in here.
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are there seriously hackers in a beta ?
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Well, if there aren't yet there definitely will be eventually. It is sadly inevitable.
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I heard at the late game show that Blizzard is about to change its strategy against hacks in LoTV, but no details right now.
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Hello,
I assure that zero "ConFed" players are "Hacking." We have a strict "NO HACKING" policy that we enforce unless, the player is gm (grandmaster). As you can see ProPenguin is a "Diamond" player! He is not haxing!
Thank you SC2 community.
User was banned for this post.
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On September 10 2015 07:20 Confed_equals_no_Hax wrote:
Hello,
I assure that zero "ConFed" players are "Hacking." We have a strict "NO HACKING" policy that we enforce unless, the player is gm (grandmaster). As you can see ProPenguin is a "Diamond" player! He is not haxing!
Thank you SC2 community.
lol what does this mean? if players are gm you let them hack? is this just a troll? i'm so confused
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On September 10 2015 07:20 Confed_equals_no_Hax wrote:
We have a strict "NO HACKING" policy that we enforce unless, the player is gm (grandmaster).
So if the player is GrandMaster, they are allowed to hack?
Hmm... Interesting philosophy.
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On September 10 2015 07:20 Confed_equals_no_Hax wrote:
Hello,
I assure that zero "ConFed" players are "Hacking." We have a strict "NO HACKING" policy that we enforce unless, the player is gm (grandmaster). As you can see ProPenguin is a "Diamond" player! He is not haxing!
Thank you SC2 community.
That sounds like an extremely dumb statement lol.
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On August 13 2015 12:26 crown77 wrote:http://lotv.spawningtool.com/1883/Hacker name: [ConFed] Propenguin Server: LOTV_BETA League: GM v SILVER Evidence: Responds to units in fog of war. ConFed has hacked in clan wars in the past. Click spoiler for starred time stamps. I watched this replay twice thinking there was no way he was cheating but watched it again because of the clan name. It was only after watching it a third time that I appreciated the abnormalities. + Show Spoiler +6:47 player clicks on dropship in fog of war
*16:08 player sends army to defend BEFORE the scv has vision of incoming units
*17:44 army moves north player instantly attack moves to that army's location with no vision;
19:25 scans four hellbats in fog of war just left of expansion
21:00 goes back to this expansion scans on only units there
*21:50 Moves entire army back to main with no vision of the map and is starring at the unit thats about to see the incoming attack note 21:56 is particularly encriminating Vote: Poll: Map Hacker(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No or not enough evidence
I'm not sure why more than 75% of people voted "yes" on this one. It is at best extremely weak evidence.
6:47: ProPenguin was just attacked by a tankivac at a certain location ~15 seconds earlier. He sent a couple marines and a tank to the same location which is suicide if the medivac/tank is still there, so it seems . He also does not click on the medivac so I'm not sure what the accusation is here.
16:08: He sees the hellions before moving his army towards his fourth. He was originally going towards the center. Pretty quick reaction time though.
17:44: He attacks the north base and instantly retreats upon seeing units, so........?
19:25: It's pretty clear in context that he was looking for widow mines. He also would never scan the area next to his own CC if he could see what was happening. This one is actually good evidence of him not hacking.
21:00: ProPenguin scans the defender's entrance to the base and attacks upon seeing almost no defense besides a PF and some turrets.
21:50: Upon seeing some hellions move out after no unit defense for nearly a minute he decides to retreat since all signs are pointing to a counterattack. He's looking at the spot that he's about to be attacked because he is sending his units there.
21:56: My favorite part- the "particularly encriminating" part. He moves his units in the wrong direction.
He also plays pretty badly and makes a couple of blunders that could be avoided with full map vision.
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its obviously a troll. Post = 1
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So if the player is GrandMaster, they are allowed to hack?
Hmm... Interesting philosophy.
That sounds like an extremely dumb statement lol.
lol what does this mean? if players are gm you let them hack? is this just a troll? i'm so confused
Ok, obviously it's explanation time. So look here dummies. Nios.kr is very important agreed, therefore; gm = higher rank = more reconization = more dirty esports money. As HPC (Hacker Prevention of ConFed) i do my very best to keep ALL hackers out of the best clan in the world. Therefore, do NOT ACUSE MY PLAYERS OF HACKING UNLESS, UNLESS THEY ARE GM.
Thanks, Starcraft Community
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On September 10 2015 07:12 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Well, if there aren't yet there definitely will be eventually. It is sadly inevitable.
who sais its inevitable?
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On September 10 2015 09:06 Confed_equals_no_Hax wrote:Show nested quote +So if the player is GrandMaster, they are allowed to hack?
Hmm... Interesting philosophy. Show nested quote +lol what does this mean? if players are gm you let them hack? is this just a troll? i'm so confused look here dummies. gm = higher rank = more reconization = more dirty esports money. As HPC (Hacker Prevention of ConFed) best clan in the world. Therefore, do NOT ACUSE MY PLAYERS OF HACKING UNLESS, UNLESS THEY ARE GM.
gm players are all about the dirty esports money.
HPC.... lol
Best clan in the world. hmmm... i'll take your word for it bro.
As soon as I play a ConFed in GM, i'm investigating the replay, then me and you are going to have a sit down my friend.
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As soon as I play a ConFed in GM, i'm investigating the replay, then me and you are going to have a sit down my friend.
Go for it bro. I told you that the gm's that we somehow randomly "get" aren't always "clean". read the post above before you acuse my clan and the best clan in the world
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