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JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 01:57:19
May 15 2015 01:56 GMT
#921
Are we sure that the ideal gas law even works in this situation? It makes some assumptions that I don't know if they apply to a football. I mean, it's not a glass tube in a lab. Maybe it's close enough but I've never heard one way or another.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 15 2015 01:59 GMT
#922
Because footballs are pliable, the ideal gas law overestimates the drop in pressure from a drop in temperature.
Freeeeeeedom
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 02:01:42
May 15 2015 02:00 GMT
#923
Again, MD not physicist or engineer, but I think The Ideal Gas Law is pretty good even for this. The two major issues are that Oxygen is not an ideal gas and the pressure - neither is really important enough to play any meaningful role as far as I can tell.

EDIT: cLutZ to the rescue. (now with random capitalization )
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 15 2015 02:13 GMT
#924
I'll say the effect is probably minor. But the reason for the deviation is that V1 is going to be higher than V2. So in your hard shell you get P1T2=P2T1, but more realistically its P1V1T2=P2V2T1 and they can't really measure V1, V2, but V2 is lower than V1.
Freeeeeeedom
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 04:13:02
May 15 2015 02:25 GMT
#925
Don't really feel like searching this late through that report again, does Wells have any research for any temperature change during that time period?

EDIT: Looked, couldn't find anything. Halftime was scheduled for 13 minutes, the Patriots balls however were late getting out to the field (that awkward exchange on their first possession) but that doesn't matter.

It does say that the gloving of the footballs (heating the balls up in preperation) gave ~0.7PSI difference and equalized after 15-20 minutes. So, math on heating vs cooling anyone?
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 15 2015 02:30 GMT
#926
lol Goodel is over hearing the Brady Appeal. What a farce
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 15 2015 02:46 GMT
#927
On May 15 2015 11:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:
lol Goodel is over hearing the Brady Appeal. What a farce


Mike Golic called that on their Monday show. Greeny was talking about how he just assumes Brady will appeal, and Golic jumped in(paraphrasing) 'well Goodell could always step in himself as the person in the arbitration hearing, and then that gets really interesting if he sticks to to Kraft for doing this as a favor to the other owners, or sucks up to Kraft to mend the relationship.'
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 15 2015 02:53 GMT
#928
On May 15 2015 11:46 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 11:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:
lol Goodel is over hearing the Brady Appeal. What a farce


Mike Golic called that on their Monday show. Greeny was talking about how he just assumes Brady will appeal, and Golic jumped in(paraphrasing) 'well Goodell could always step in himself as the person in the arbitration hearing, and then that gets really interesting if he sticks to to Kraft for doing this as a favor to the other owners, or sucks up to Kraft to mend the relationship.'

I get the distinct feeling that the Patriots are headed to court over this. As a employee of the league I have a very fucking hard time feeling like his being a "neutral arbiter" looks good in a potential law suit. What a shit show this whole thing is turning out to be over something that other teams got caught doing with actually solid evidence and weren't punished for.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 13:52:05
May 15 2015 12:41 GMT
#929
On May 15 2015 11:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 11:46 red_ wrote:
On May 15 2015 11:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:
lol Goodel is over hearing the Brady Appeal. What a farce


Mike Golic called that on their Monday show. Greeny was talking about how he just assumes Brady will appeal, and Golic jumped in(paraphrasing) 'well Goodell could always step in himself as the person in the arbitration hearing, and then that gets really interesting if he sticks to to Kraft for doing this as a favor to the other owners, or sucks up to Kraft to mend the relationship.'

I get the distinct feeling that the Patriots are headed to court over this. As a employee of the league I have a very fucking hard time feeling like his being a "neutral arbiter" looks good in a potential law suit. What a shit show this whole thing is turning out to be over something that other teams got caught doing with actually solid evidence and weren't punished for.


did u expect anything else from a gang of billionaires who feel like Tom Brady is trying to get tough with them?
Tom Brady chose the "Pete Rose method" of dealing with billionaires. Take it from Pete.. it don't work.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2015 14:39 GMT
#930
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 15:04:53
May 15 2015 15:00 GMT
#931
Robert Kraft is going to war with Goodell. My money is on Kraft. GG commish
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
May 15 2015 16:06 GMT
#932
On May 15 2015 23:39 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 07:34 giftdgecko wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:15 JimmiC wrote:
My point was regardless of whether it meets the burden in the court of law he did it, and everyone not blinded by fandum knows that. Protesting so hard is what's making it such a big deal.

Societaly I think it's sad that people care more about whether it's provable in court then whether or not he did it. USA is most litigious country by far!

I'm curious how you know he did it? How you know that he is as guilty as OJ?

I've spent every day since this came out giving reasons as to why I don't think anything happened, let alone that Brady knew. I'm eager to hear your reasons. Yes I'm a fan, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one blinded.

EDIT: Tone is important here, I'm legitimately asking your reasons that haven't been explained in what the Patriots just put out.



How do you know OJ did it? He was found not guilty. I in no way believe that equipment managers would adjust any equipment without consent from the players. I also think adjusting the PSI was not a game changing thing, but the resulting cover up is silly and I'm sick of the story. The wells report is ridic, but even more so is this counter.


Comparing the two is pretty silly, OJ had conclusive evidence and a good lawyer confused an ignorant jury.

I'm still not convinced science doesn't explain the change, and I don't agree with how the texts were portrayed in the report as some plot to do anything other than steal some merchandise and sell some tickets in a way they weren't supposed to.

RG is either about to cave and admit the flaws or make Brady's court case for him by taking this on himself after essentially recusing himself every other step of the way.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
May 15 2015 16:15 GMT
#933
Well on the bright side: No matter the outcome I think we are about to get a new commissioner Hopefully someone who will be willing to actually fight for some integrity of the game.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:40:48
May 15 2015 16:25 GMT
#934
On May 16 2015 01:06 giftdgecko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 23:39 JimmiC wrote:
On May 15 2015 07:34 giftdgecko wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:15 JimmiC wrote:
My point was regardless of whether it meets the burden in the court of law he did it, and everyone not blinded by fandum knows that. Protesting so hard is what's making it such a big deal.

Societaly I think it's sad that people care more about whether it's provable in court then whether or not he did it. USA is most litigious country by far!

I'm curious how you know he did it? How you know that he is as guilty as OJ?

I've spent every day since this came out giving reasons as to why I don't think anything happened, let alone that Brady knew. I'm eager to hear your reasons. Yes I'm a fan, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one blinded.

EDIT: Tone is important here, I'm legitimately asking your reasons that haven't been explained in what the Patriots just put out.



How do you know OJ did it? He was found not guilty. I in no way believe that equipment managers would adjust any equipment without consent from the players. I also think adjusting the PSI was not a game changing thing, but the resulting cover up is silly and I'm sick of the story. The wells report is ridic, but even more so is this counter.


Comparing the two is pretty silly, OJ had conclusive evidence and a good lawyer confused an ignorant jury.

I'm still not convinced science doesn't explain the change, and I don't agree with how the texts were portrayed in the report as some plot to do anything other than steal some merchandise and sell some tickets in a way they weren't supposed to.

RG is either about to cave and admit the flaws or make Brady's court case for him by taking this on himself after essentially recusing himself every other step of the way.


Bailey rarely ever talks about the clients he defends after the trial is over. Bailey says OJ is innocent. I've never seen Bailey lie on camera. OJs oldest son, from OJs 1st marriage committed the murders , and OJ helped his son clean up the mess. OJ didn't do it. This is why OJ was declared Not Guilty and why OJ was so messed up during the white Bronco chase. OJ committed a serious crime, however, he did not commit the crimes he was charged with.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2015 17:02 GMT
#935
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giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
May 15 2015 17:05 GMT
#936
On May 16 2015 02:02 JimmiC wrote:
one thing that I think has been over looked in the punishment is race relations. I think that if the NFL had come down super light on Tom a bunch of the players who are black would have felt that the reason was do to race. I believe the NFL was backed into a corner with current landscape, way Brady and Pats responded, and so on. I'm fine iwth the punishment I'm fine if it gets reduced. I think of this like when MLB corks the bat or scuffs the ball, or a nhl playres uses a illegal curve, it's cheating, punish, move on not the biggest deal.

Then you are still ignoring the possibility that nothing may have happened?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 17:22:22
May 15 2015 17:19 GMT
#937
On May 16 2015 02:02 JimmiC wrote:. I'm fine iwth the punishment I'm fine if it gets reduced. I think of this like when MLB corks the bat or scuffs the ball, or a nhl playres uses a illegal curve, it's cheating, punish, move on not the biggest deal.


its a 2 minute penalty for an illegal stick curve on an NHL hockey stick and an 8 game suspension for using a corked bat. so i don't think i'd group these 2 together...

that said, the NFL equivalent of an MLB 8 game suspension is less than 1 NFL game.

i think Brady should be sentenced to 1 year of punishment by having to play for the Jets LOL

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/n-f-l-sentences-brady-to-a-year-with-the-jets

“We need to send the message that this league has zero tolerance for cheating,” Goodell said. “We believe that a year of playing quarterback for the Jets sends that message loud and clear.”
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 15 2015 17:29 GMT
#938
rofl
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 17:47:19
May 15 2015 17:46 GMT
#939
I actually think I would prefer a 4 game suspension to that if I was Brady. I'm also fairly certain that would classify as inhumane punishment.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23885 Posts
May 15 2015 17:50 GMT
#940
On May 16 2015 02:46 Ghostcom wrote:
I actually think I would prefer a 4 game suspension to that if I was Brady. I'm also fairly certain that would classify as inhumane punishment.


I wonder before deflate gate how often Brady was actually confronted by haters? I imagine that's been one of the biggest shocks for him outside of NE.


I don't think you would even have to make him play for NY, just make him live there. Let him experience the hate up close and personal day in and day out. I'd imagine he can go months in NE without anyone saying anything negative to him at all (particularly before this).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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