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On September 21 2015 12:44 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 12:28 andrewlt wrote:
It's just like a lottery. Lotteries pay out a lot of money too but they also make a lot of money. There's no end of people who are willing to give them money. Yes, but no one would ever call a lottery a game of skill. Let's be honest here: the only reason lotteries are allowed is because they're run by the state.
Well, the reason games of chance are not allowed is because they compete with the state's lottery monopoly. Game of skill is their loophole to get around it.
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On September 21 2015 12:51 cLutZ wrote:
I am concerned by two trends: 1) Offensive lines being terrible; and 2) Offenses being very effective regardless of #1.
This is generating games that I just don't really enjoy. Particularly when teams go no huddle+ shotgun and rip apart defenses even as thier qb is dying.
its because everybody wants the next rodgers, he literally invented this. all these hyper mobile QBs that dont have 1/10th the accuracy of rodgers in the pocket or on the run. He's been doing this shit with a garbage line ever since he started.
everybody wants a super defense but you only need to look at the patriots to see what the NFL is really about right now. Just having an unguardable passing game that can march down the field and auto win games since the passing rules are absolutely ridiculous right now and favor receivers so much.
its why I drafted all WRs in my fantasy first ^^ antonio brown and julio jones to the bank
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On September 21 2015 13:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
everybody wants a super defense but you only need to look at the patriots to see what the NFL is really about right now. Just having an unguardable passing game that can march down the field and auto win games since the passing rules are absolutely ridiculous right now and favor receivers so much.
Tell this to the Saints and Lions, please.
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On the spectrum of gambling to skill, Fantasy Football seems to be pretty close to Poker. It's not a pure gamble, but there's a heavy gambling element to it. If you do your research and put the time in, you can consistently put the odds in your favor. Over the long haul, that should turn you into a winning player.
However, the "winnings" from the advertisements are a very questionable measure. Is it net winnings? Possibly not. A lot of advertisements for these sorts of things tend to go with gross winnings. If you buy into 100 different "leagues" for $100 each and then "win" $6,000, Fan Duel could then say you won $6,000. However, you actually netted a $4,000 loss. I'm not sure exactly what metric they're using in their advertisements.
It is possible that $2 million is actually legit net. Just like poker, there are plenty of idiots out there who think they know how to play because they do okay within their group of friends, but really are clueless. So there is money to be made and a smart bettor can make a whole lot if he knows how to budget his money properly and put the odds in his favor. It's especially possible if the guy won a major giveaway game that was funded by Fan Duel for the purpose of advertisement. And they do seem to have some of those happening.
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On September 21 2015 12:51 cLutZ wrote:
I am concerned by two trends: 1) Offensive lines being terrible; and 2) Offenses being very effective regardless of #1.
This is generating games that I just don't really enjoy. Particularly when teams go no huddle+ shotgun and rip apart defenses even as thier qb is dying.
To be fair, this isn't that new. Remember Martz's Rams? Warner and Bulger regularly got annihilated on their way to 4,000+ yards.
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On September 21 2015 13:40 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 12:51 cLutZ wrote:
I am concerned by two trends: 1) Offensive lines being terrible; and 2) Offenses being very effective regardless of #1.
This is generating games that I just don't really enjoy. Particularly when teams go no huddle+ shotgun and rip apart defenses even as thier qb is dying. To be fair, this isn't that new. Remember Martz's Rams? Warner and Bulger regularly got annihilated on their way to 4,000+ yards.
That was, IMO because they were in Martz offenses, which are totally trash with a bad O-Line (see when he came to Chicago). They had Pace and other solid linemen, and it consisted of a bunch of deep routes, plus Faulk being able to screen it up.
I am more talking about the Steelers, Colts, Broncos, even the Jags and Raiders. I don't mind if you have a Wilson, Luck, or Rodgers who are mobile and accurate and manage to pull it off (to respond to our friend above). Also, the Pats actually are the team with a line that I see as functioning well in this environment.
But overall, the point is, you shouldnt be able to give up 4 sacks in a game and score more than 20 points, its just ridiculous. Like, any drive that a team doesn't get a sack on now seems to end up being a scoring drive. Its absurd.
Also, the sheer number of penalties in games I've watched this year is just ridiculous. I think in like 6 games I might have seen 1k yards in penalties.
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Sometimes the poor line play is a byproduct of a pass first offense. Playing in reverse instead of steaming forward against these ridiculously athletic hybrid OLB/DE types is a no win situation.
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On September 21 2015 13:55 giftdgecko wrote:
Sometimes the poor line play is a byproduct of a pass first offense. Playing in reverse instead of steaming forward against these ridiculously athletic hybrid OLB/DE types is a no win situation.
Except, only the uptempo pass-first (pass only often) offenses are effective.
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On September 21 2015 13:27 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 13:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
everybody wants a super defense but you only need to look at the patriots to see what the NFL is really about right now. Just having an unguardable passing game that can march down the field and auto win games since the passing rules are absolutely ridiculous right now and favor receivers so much. Tell this to the Saints and Lions, please.
i dont get it, the saints and lions offenses have proved to be woefully inept so far this year. stafford is not a good quarterback, i have always said that. hes a "stats" quarterback and not even that amazing of stats for some one that has had megatron.
The saints won a superbowl in 2009 if you remember  although nfl was different then now obv
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On September 21 2015 13:51 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 13:40 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2015 12:51 cLutZ wrote:
I am concerned by two trends: 1) Offensive lines being terrible; and 2) Offenses being very effective regardless of #1.
This is generating games that I just don't really enjoy. Particularly when teams go no huddle+ shotgun and rip apart defenses even as thier qb is dying. To be fair, this isn't that new. Remember Martz's Rams? Warner and Bulger regularly got annihilated on their way to 4,000+ yards. That was, IMO because they were in Martz offenses, which are totally trash with a bad O-Line (see when he came to Chicago). They had Pace and other solid linemen, and it consisted of a bunch of deep routes, plus Faulk being able to screen it up. I am more talking about the Steelers, Colts, Broncos, even the Jags and Raiders. I don't mind if you have a Wilson, Luck, or Rodgers who are mobile and accurate and manage to pull it off (to respond to our friend above). Also, the Pats actually are the team with a line that I see as functioning well in this environment. But overall, the point is, you shouldnt be able to give up 4 sacks in a game and score more than 20 points, its just ridiculous. Like, any drive that a team doesn't get a sack on now seems to end up being a scoring drive. Its absurd. Also, the sheer number of penalties in games I've watched this year is just ridiculous. I think in like 6 games I might have seen 1k yards in penalties.
I'm not as familiar with football stats resources as I am NBA - is there a place to look up sacks and pressures of the last 5 years vs. 90-95 and 95-00?
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On September 21 2015 14:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 13:27 Jibba wrote:On September 21 2015 13:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
everybody wants a super defense but you only need to look at the patriots to see what the NFL is really about right now. Just having an unguardable passing game that can march down the field and auto win games since the passing rules are absolutely ridiculous right now and favor receivers so much. Tell this to the Saints and Lions, please. i dont get it, the saints and lions offenses have proved to be woefully inept so far this year. stafford is not a good quarterback, i have always said that. hes a "stats" quarterback and not even that amazing of stats for some one that has had megatron. The saints won a superbowl in 2009 if you remember although nfl was different then now obv
The Lions have a miserable offensive line and another OC/HC combo that's trying to fit their system onto the team instead of adjusting their system to the players (see: Broncos, Vikings - crazy what happens when you let AP run the ball more than 11 times, and not out of shotgun!).
The Lions' offense before wasn't exactly good, but it was explosive because of Calvin. Now we're not even explosive. We're trying to play like the Saints, but the blocking schemes are too complicated/we don't have enough talent on the OL, and we're losing out of the strengths of Stafford and Megatron. Caldwell and Lombardi were brought in to reduce Stafford's interceptions, which is a fair goal, but they've also taken away what made him special. Maybe this would be a different discussion if the o-line were good again, but they're not.
The Lions aren't weren't even good at the hurry up today. I think Lombardi is in large part to blame for the scheme and playcalling, but even Linehan's play-action would've been destroyed with this line.
The Saints are suffering from poor o-line play too, but it's also compounded by Drew Brees looking 56 instead of 36.
I brought up these two teams because I generally agree with clutz that offensive line play is degenerating and QBs are successful anyways, but these two teams... They both have talent in the backfield and the Lions have as good WRs at 1-2 as anyone besides the Broncos.
It's not a complete dumpster fire though. When/if Levy comes back, I think we return to a top defense and maybe introducing Abdullah more makes defenses blitz less.
It seems like there's a lot of non-injury related dumpster fires this year. Saints, Eagles, Dolphins, Ravens. Did anyone expect the Ravens or Dolphins defenses to be this bad?
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I'd really like it if everyone decided the nfce was so bad that no one got to go to the playoffs
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Tony Romo is out for 8 weeks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000535155/article/tony-romo-fractures-left-clavicle-in-cowboys-win
Tony Romo fractures left clavicle in Cowboys' win
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By Chris Wesseling
Around the NFL Writer
Published: Sept. 20, 2015 at 06:33 p.m.
Updated: Sept. 20, 2015 at 07:54 p.m.
One week after losing Dez Bryant to a foot fracture, the Dallas Cowboys saw their franchise quarterback go down with a serious injury.
The team announced Sunday that Tony Romo suffered a broken left clavicle in the third quarter of their 20-10 win over the Philadelphia Eagles. A timeline for his recovery will be reevaluated tomorrow.
Romo landed on his shoulder during a strip sack by linebacker Jordan Hicks. The 35-year-old quarterback previously broke his left clavicle in Week 7 of 2010, forcing him to miss the rest of the season.
"I'll be back," Romo told FOX Sports' Erin Andrews after the game. "It's going to take a little bit of time. It's a broken bone. It is what it is."
Since the injury happened a month earlier this time around, the organization is unlikely to make any rash decisions on his status. More tests will be run on Monday.
With Romo sidelined, Brandon Weeden will take control of a Cowboys offense that has relied upon a short passing game to control time of possession.
Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan will have to change gears, as Weeden simply doesn't have the touch or field vision for a ball-control passing attack.
The coaching staff did everything they could to limit Weeden's impact in one spot start last season, only to watch their replacement quarterback fail to complete a single pass to a wide receiver in the first half of a losing effort.
Minus 2014 MVP candidate Romo, All Pro wide receiver Bryant and Offensive Player of the Year DeMarco Murray, the Cowboys will struggle to win games for the foreseeable future.
They still will win the division though
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Jason Witten also sprained both his ankles and a knee but finished the game. Tough as nails
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I stand by what a said a few weeks ago about Graham being the undoing of Seattle. When the Hawks picked up Jimmy instead of paying Kam, they doomed themselves. Jimmy caught of 2 balls yesterday for 11 yards. Wilson is NOT a passer. Having Graham on the Hawks is the same thing as having Demarco Murray on the Eagles, a very talented player in a system that makes them completely ineffective.
I have no way of proving it but a think Beast Mode is purposely tanking until Kam comes back in a show of solidarity.
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A te like that in that style of offense should kick ass, even if he sees like 60% of the volume he saw in NO. Wilson can make all the throws he needs to make.
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On September 22 2015 01:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
A te like that in that style of offense should kick ass, even if he sees like 60% of the volume he saw in NO. Wilson can make all the throws he needs to make.
Not all them. He is terrible throwing down the middle of the field early in the down because he can't see the throwing lanes.
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On September 22 2015 01:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
A te like that in that style of offense should kick ass, even if he sees like 60% of the volume he saw in NO. Wilson can make all the throws he needs to make.
It shouldn't be the expense of the Hawks defense though. The last two years the hawks have had the #1 defense. This season their defence is #29 They are overstretching themselves by trying to be good at everything instead being great at what their identity is imo. In no world can Wilson throw like Brees.
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On September 22 2015 00:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
I stand by what a said a few weeks ago about Graham being the undoing of Seattle. When the Hawks picked up Jimmy instead of paying Kam, they doomed themselves. Jimmy caught of 2 balls yesterday for 11 yards. Wilson is NOT a passer. Having Graham on the Hawks is the same thing as having Demarco Murray on the Eagles, a very talented player in a system that makes them completely ineffective.
I have no way of proving it but a think Beast Mode is purposely tanking until Kam comes back in a show of solidarity.
If Graham is good as run blocker that will be exciting in terms of being a dual threat when he lines up right next to the tackles instead of instantly giving away strong side run formation.
But Seattle was young and players do want to get paid. That's really the problem Seattle has and it's not going away any time soon.
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