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On October 27 2014 00:07 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday  It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify. It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans. I reckon that EU would have StarDust and MC though. Maybe ForGG? I guess as long as the EU players are good, and same with the Muricans, I wouldn't complain about Blizzcon; but I"m most likely not even gonna hype next year's, unless there's a good reason to.
Aeromi said in the Post SPL Shuffle Thread that Blizzard might use a visa policy that would prevent 95% of the EU Koreans to participate next year, ForGG not being one of them. I don't know about MC and the GEM players, but I'm not sure that would work out well for them ; and I don't know either for the mYi players. I would be really sad if mYi's entire recruitment policy was shut down by Blizzard's decision, they have made some awesome moves picking up SD, jjakji and Sacsri and their Koreans are becoming true "foreign" Koreans Polt-style, speaking English and all
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On October 27 2014 00:10 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify. It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans. But I think the point remains that (even this year) there needs to be more points available for the BEST players in the world who chose to stay home and practice instead of moving around the world and chase tournaments.
Have they released the numbers on how many points will be awarded on tournaments yet? Maybe they're looking into that and will implement something like WCS being worth a LOT more than any other tournament, so that doing well in GSL consistently matters more than chasing a billion small tournaments (kinda like what JD and Snute did).
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On October 27 2014 00:10 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify. It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans. But I think the point remains that (even this year) there needs to be more points available for the BEST players in the world who chose to stay home and practice instead of moving around the world and chase tournaments.
Yeah obviously KR needs more tournaments. But they aren't going to come out of nowhere, and I fear PL points won't do a big difference. I mean, you don't want to have a player doing good only in PL getting his ticket to BlizzCon while having shitty results in GSL, but on the other hand you don't want PL points to be useless. It will be hard to balance imo. Although it would have given us sOs and Maru at BlizzCon instead of JD and INno, so it would have been good
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On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool. Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!
How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea):
You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out)
I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon.
This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts?
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On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool. Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis
Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts
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Hmm so basically WCS Regionals don't award WCS points? Only the season finals do? But then isn't it unfair towards all the Koreans who play in GSL and go out in the Ro8 or before?
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On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool. Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts
Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway.
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On October 27 2014 00:22 OtherWorld wrote:
Hmm so basically WCS Regionals don't award WCS points? Only the season finals do? But then isn't it unfair towards all the Koreans who play in GSL and go out in the Ro8 or before?
They would award points, but so would the season finals. It's just that I find it unfair for players like JD that never got past the round of 16 to get to blizzcon by just traveling. Season finals would award more points to the best
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On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool. Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts
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On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway.
Removing someone from the Passionboard is something serious. It shouldn't be done lightly
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On October 27 2014 00:29 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
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Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway. Removing someone from the Passionboard is something serious. It shouldn't be done lightly
I'm well aware of what I'm getting us into.
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On October 27 2014 00:29 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
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Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway. Removing someone from the Passionboard is something serious. It shouldn't be done lightly
Remember when shellshock edited like 150 images into a few of his posts and took first place?
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frankly I don't mind WCS just not being the tournament of highest skill level in the world, though if it doesn't have the absolute best players, then that's kinda unfortunate (we were close to missing soo and innovation this year)
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On October 27 2014 00:29 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:29 OtherWorld wrote:On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway. Removing someone from the Passionboard is something serious. It shouldn't be done lightly Remember when shellshock edited like 150 images into a few of his posts and took first place?
He got rid of them when we exposed his behaviour though, so I guess there's that. :D
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On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway.
Seconded if he doesn't remove some hashtags asap!
Also, sorry but I'm a bit distracted and couldn't really follow the suggestion 
I think I'm going to step away from the computer and close my eyes for a while...
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On October 27 2014 00:30 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
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Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway. Seconded if he doesn't remove some hashtags asap! Also, sorry but I'm a bit distracted and couldn't really follow the suggestion I think I'm going to step away from the computer and close my eyes for a while...
Dat passion.
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On October 27 2014 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2014 00:20 The_Templar wrote:On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players. Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high... Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda? And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players. Exactly my point. sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain?? you know what would help correct things a little bit? season finals :b I was talking about that all day yesterday It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well... Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments. Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners... I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting! How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea): You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out) I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon. This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts? #IMadeThis Stop turning posts with any amount of effort put into them into OC posts Petition to remove Sakat from the Passionboard. That's about as high of a punishment as we can bestow on this thread anyway.
I agree
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relevant to the regional discussion, vortix did quite well for himself in the against the odds tournament today
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Canada33091 Posts
On October 27 2014 00:40 dangthatsright wrote:
relevant to the regional discussion, vortix did quite well for himself in the against the odds tournament today
He also won the Vasacast thing as well, which is really impressive. Shame he fell to Jjakji 0-3 afterwards in the WCS, but that's the nature of StarCraft. Win some, lose some.
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