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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 15:43 GMT
#17521
On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea):
You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out)
I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon.
This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts?

OK, I removed the hashtag. I don't care about that anyway.
Now, any thoughts on this?
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 26 2014 15:44 GMT
#17522
Want to get up on dat passioboard? cheap
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 26 2014 15:50 GMT
#17523
OMG Civilization Beyond Earth is installing!!! bye Passion!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 15:51 GMT
#17524
On October 27 2014 00:44 SC2Toastie wrote:
Want to get up on dat passioboard? cheap

well, I'm in the top 10 and everyone is pretty much beyond reach. I wanted this specific post in the passion board so that more people can see and discuss it. It looks like no one cares though
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
October 26 2014 15:51 GMT
#17525
On October 27 2014 00:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
OMG Civilization Beyond Earth is installing!!! bye Passion!

whats that?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
October 26 2014 15:53 GMT
#17526
On October 27 2014 00:43 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 00:18 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

How about this for a solution for WCS (instead of the region lock, which I think i sa bad idea):
You have regional competitions, where you invite all ro.4 finishers to a season final... than, at the season final, you have 2 6 player round robin groups to determine seeds for a 12 player double elimination bracket awarding huge amounts of points? So, the goal of the whole season is to qualify for the season final. You can have AM and EU regional competitions starting with the ro64 divided into 4 brackets of 16 players each, and the bracket winners go to a season final. (quite frankly winning WCS AM or EU is never going to be as difficult as winning a GSL, so you can keep the GSL the same, but the semis and grand finals do not award WCS points since the season finals would award the points to balance everything out)
I think region lock is just going to result in many great Korean players retiring and we wouldn't have such great competition at Blizzcon.
This seems to me like a better system at first glance. Thoughts?

OK, I removed the hashtag. I don't care about that anyway.
Now, any thoughts on this?

I personally don't like how the current system has the contingency of "no points if they did not advance one round, qualifiers count", and other conditional things like that in general. Having semis and finals of regionals not awarding points falls under this category as well.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 26 2014 15:53 GMT
#17527
On October 27 2014 00:51 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 00:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
OMG Civilization Beyond Earth is installing!!! bye Passion!

whats that?

You don't know the Civilization series 0.0!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sid Meier's Civilization
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
October 26 2014 15:54 GMT
#17528
On October 27 2014 00:53 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 00:51 Topin wrote:
On October 27 2014 00:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
OMG Civilization Beyond Earth is installing!!! bye Passion!

whats that?

You don't know the Civilization series 0.0!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sid Meier's Civilization

i just know War/StarCraft series..
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 15:55 GMT
#17529
I have RuneScape in the background, haha. I like windowed games because they're really nice to play while I"m on forums.
kiss kiss fall in love
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 26 2014 15:57 GMT
#17530
On October 27 2014 00:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
I have RuneScape in the background, haha. I like windowed games because they're really nice to play while I"m on forums.

That game still exists?

Still unplayable for non-payers ?

I like turnbased games to alt-tab during streams
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 15:58 GMT
#17531
On October 27 2014 00:57 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 00:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
I have RuneScape in the background, haha. I like windowed games because they're really nice to play while I"m on forums.

That game still exists?

Still unplayable for non-payers ?

I like turnbased games to alt-tab during streams


There's a bond system which allows a non-paying player to play p2p content. It's really nice. :D
You pay ingame gold for it, which I don't mind.
kiss kiss fall in love
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
October 26 2014 15:59 GMT
#17532
i recently got the feels playing MK8, there was a snes map... i almost cry fuck man
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 26 2014 16:00 GMT
#17533
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 16:01 GMT
#17534
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

I'm sure that SGTK would appreciate that.
kiss kiss fall in love
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
October 26 2014 16:03 GMT
#17535
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 16:03 GMT
#17536
On October 27 2014 01:03 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b

Naaah, only what the fanboys do while looking at the Zest pics would be NSFW. ^_^
kiss kiss fall in love
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
October 26 2014 16:05 GMT
#17537
On October 27 2014 01:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 01:03 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b

Naaah, only what the fanboys do while looking at the Zest pics would be NSFW. ^_^

is there a shredded pro gamer ranking or something? i would guess Nada>all?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
October 26 2014 16:06 GMT
#17538
On October 27 2014 01:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 01:03 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b

Naaah, only what the fanboys do while looking at the Zest pics would be NSFW. ^_^

Jaedong? Meh

Dongraegu? Naaahhhh

Zest, the real lord of dongs
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
October 26 2014 16:06 GMT
#17539
On October 27 2014 01:05 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 01:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:03 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b

Naaah, only what the fanboys do while looking at the Zest pics would be NSFW. ^_^

is there a shredded pro gamer ranking or something? i would guess Nada>all?

perhaps the teenliquid player database
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 16:06 GMT
#17540
On October 27 2014 01:05 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 01:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:03 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 27 2014 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Wow that TaeJa pics spam. I might decide to spam Zest pics now

this thread may need a NSFW tag then :b

Naaah, only what the fanboys do while looking at the Zest pics would be NSFW. ^_^

is there a shredded pro gamer ranking or something? i would guess Nada>all?

Well, we have a thread for NaDa and not the others, so I think that speaks for itself.
kiss kiss fall in love
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