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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
October 26 2014 14:22 GMT
#17481
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1158 Posts
October 26 2014 14:26 GMT
#17482
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

would actually be rather interesting to isolate matchups between the regions and see how that looks
but I don't think the system aligulac uses is designed in a way that makes this "easy"
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 14:26 GMT
#17483
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 14:27 GMT
#17484
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?

Didn't Sacscri win something only to then drop out of WCS?
kiss kiss fall in love
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1158 Posts
October 26 2014 14:27 GMT
#17485
On October 26 2014 23:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?

Didn't Sacscri win something only to then drop out of WCS?

one of the dreamhacks, can't remember if valencia or summer (or possibly neither)
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 14:28 GMT
#17486
On October 26 2014 23:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?

Didn't Sacscri win something only to then drop out of WCS?

He won DreamHack Open Valencia, and then dropped out of Challanger league
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-26 14:30:05
October 26 2014 14:28 GMT
#17487
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 26 2014 14:35 GMT
#17488
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

I would be really curious to see what would Aligulac ratings look like if they took only offline results (and results from qualifiers for offline events). I sometimes feel players like jjakji are mainly boosted by the weekly/monthly cups they play online
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 14:35 GMT
#17489
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.


Yeah. It's a shame that there isn't some transcendental system for skill, but what can you do. =/
kiss kiss fall in love
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 14:37 GMT
#17490
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1158 Posts
October 26 2014 14:42 GMT
#17491
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 14:43 GMT
#17492
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I think that you may be on to something there.
kiss kiss fall in love
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 26 2014 14:43 GMT
#17493
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
October 26 2014 14:46 GMT
#17494
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b


The return of Season Finals would help finding a cure for AIDS, revitalize the economy and make everyone happy.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 14:49 GMT
#17495
On October 26 2014 23:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b


The return of Season Finals would help finding a cure for AIDS, revitalize the economy and make everyone happy.

There would also be a lower crime rate.
kiss kiss fall in love
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
October 26 2014 14:54 GMT
#17496
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 14:56 GMT
#17497
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify.
kiss kiss fall in love
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 26 2014 15:03 GMT
#17498
On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify.

It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 26 2014 15:07 GMT
#17499
On October 27 2014 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify.

It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans.

I reckon that EU would have StarDust and MC though. Maybe ForGG?

I guess as long as the EU players are good, and same with the Muricans, I wouldn't complain about Blizzcon; but I"m most likely not even gonna hype next year's, unless there's a good reason to.
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On October 27 2014 00:03 OtherWorld wrote:
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On October 26 2014 23:56 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:54 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:43 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:42 dangthatsright wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:37 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:26 Sakat wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:20 OtherWorld wrote:
The main problem with Aligulac is when comparing players from different regions. Else it's pretty accurate when the players all have the same data pool.


Which is quite logical. But yeah, I don't trust aligulac at all when it comes to AM/EU based players (especially Koreans who win a lot there) against KR based players.

Some of the players on Aligulac are really rated too high...
Jjakji, Sascri, Yoda?


And a lot of Koreans are rated too low. But it's really hard to know how to adjust Korean ratings to deal with the fact a lot of them are very good but play very few games and lose a lot because they play against Dear or Solar in qualifiers while Sacsri/jjakji/YoDa win a lot of points against low GM EU/AM players.

Exactly my point.
sacsri gets more points because he beats Demuslim, Miniraser, Showtime, but for instance, soO is rated lower because he fights herO, Zest, Solar, Rain??

you know what would help correct things a little bit?
season finals :b

I was talking about that all day yesterday

It's just a shame that season finals took away from winning a region... I also imagine they were terribly expensive. Maybe if there was something like two long seasons and then a "grand final" twice a year (Blizzcon being one of them) it could have more hype and work out well...

Then again, I think this year worked out quite well as far as WCS itself is concerned. What I would have liked was more points in Korea and/or less points awarded for all the other "tier" tournaments.

Next year again will be interesting because of the region lock... I really hope there's a way for Koreans to earn more points. I'm going to be much less hyped if Blizzcon 2015 is 5 top tier Koreans, 5 mid tier Koreans that can afford to travel and 6 foreigners...

I'm not saying each ro16 game this year looks like an amazing match, but most of the matches have potential to be very exciting!

Yeah, I do feel like KR needs either a second tournament, or some points given to PL (but not a huge amount). Otherwise like you said, we'd get a few but not many top-tier Koreans showing up, and just have them crush through the foreigners who would inevitably qualify.

It will depend on the visa policies Blizzard adopts though. We may also see EU being just like this year with TRUE/Rain/FanTa added and Mvp/San deleted, and AM being mostly like EU with Polt, Violet, SuNo, hydra and some other Koreans that ROOT will manage to afford taking up all the spots for BlizzCon. We may also see EU having ForGG + 4 europeans and AM having Polt, Violet and two or three muricans.

But I think the point remains that (even this year) there needs to be more points available for the BEST players in the world who chose to stay home and practice instead of moving around the world and chase tournaments.
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