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On July 31 2014 05:54 raga4ka wrote:
I should of bought a chinese phone instead of the LG G2 , although i like the phone . The Oppo find 7 , Xiaomi Mi3 , 4 and the One plus One are far better value for the money you spend then other overpriced phones and flagships .
Technology in China has caught up , and will probably surpass the competition in a couple of years . And if i have to choose i would rather have China spying on me then US/EU .
Chinese has caught up because there are 1.4 billion chinese ready to buy their own smartphones. Im sorry but chinese phones will not break through western/east asian markets. They'll get hit with massive patent sues and their brand image is literally shit. The specs are all identical and i would rather choose a reliable brand like samsung or LG
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On July 30 2014 17:54 AutoEngineer wrote:This is pretty big. Huawei and now Xiaomi are sending user data to Chinese servers which are of course linked to the Chinese Communist Party, or even worse, hacking, identity theft, credit card theft, etc the list goes on. I also wouldn't trust any other Chinese companies like Lenovo. Huawei and Xiaomi are rising as big players in the smartphone market. Huawei, for example, ranked 3rd in Q2 2014 smartphone shipments behind Samsung and Apple. And some Americans seem to have been buying their products (uh oh). IMO people should stick to Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC, etc... companies that can be trusted. Chinese companies can not be trusted (yet). It will take a long time, possibly decades, for Chinese companies to be free from their puppet strings organized by the Chinese government. http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/07/rumor-xiaomi-redmi-note-accused-sending-personal-data-chinese-servers.htmlShow nested quote +Rumor: Xiaomi RedMi Note Accused Of Sending Personal Data To Chinese Servers http://www.digit.in/mobile-phones/xiaomi-phones-covertly-send-user-data-to-china-report-23433.html
wait a second you think these other companies can be trusted? lmao... Well the 1st reply in this thread says it all as well.
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how do shit threads by terribly biased OPs, that troll out tons of argumentative emotional drivel, ultimately advancing nobody's viewpoints, survive so long?
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On August 01 2014 10:35 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:54 raga4ka wrote:
I should of bought a chinese phone instead of the LG G2 , although i like the phone . The Oppo find 7 , Xiaomi Mi3 , 4 and the One plus One are far better value for the money you spend then other overpriced phones and flagships .
Technology in China has caught up , and will probably surpass the competition in a couple of years . And if i have to choose i would rather have China spying on me then US/EU . Chinese has caught up because there are 1.4 billion chinese ready to buy their own smartphones. Im sorry but chinese phones will not break through western/east asian markets. They'll get hit with massive patent sues and their brand image is literally shit. The specs are all identical and i would rather choose a reliable brand like samsung or LG
Exactly my views.
However, Chinese brands have already penetrated the US market/other western markets and are available. If US consumers start buying them en masse, you'll have millions of American personal data being transmitted to Chinese servers, where they can do anything they want with bank accounts, personal information and other private information.
On August 01 2014 10:40 StarStruck wrote:
wait a second you think these other companies can be trusted? lmao... Well the 1st reply in this thread says it all as well.
These other companies (Apple, LG, Samsung etc) can be trusted because they do not transmit personal information outside of the US or your home country. They do not pose a security threat to your or my home country. Furthermore, most capitalist, democratic countries can be trusted when dealing with personal information.
Chinese companies, on the other hand, are linked to the Chinese government, which presents a conflict of interest in the name of corporate economic greed and possible identity/credit card theft. Basically the Chinese government is using unethical behavior to allow Chinese smartphone makers to destroy Apple and Samsung's lead in the smartphone market.
Apple and Samsung are a product of capitalism. They do not rely on government puppet string intervention and this is what drives competitiveness.
Xiaomi and Huawei on the other hand, are a product of Chinese government puppet strings. High-ranking Chinese government officials have huge financial interests in these companies. That's how the majority of Chinese companies operate. I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess some of you guys are naive (no offence intended).
On August 01 2014 11:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
how do shit threads by terribly biased OPs, that troll out tons of argumentative emotional drivel, ultimately advancing nobody's viewpoints, survive so long?
Sir, you are the biased emotional one, not me.
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Sorry to say mr autoengineer, but spiritofthetuna is right.
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On August 02 2014 09:07 AutoEngineer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 10:35 Shinokuki wrote:On July 31 2014 05:54 raga4ka wrote:
I should of bought a chinese phone instead of the LG G2 , although i like the phone . The Oppo find 7 , Xiaomi Mi3 , 4 and the One plus One are far better value for the money you spend then other overpriced phones and flagships .
Technology in China has caught up , and will probably surpass the competition in a couple of years . And if i have to choose i would rather have China spying on me then US/EU . Chinese has caught up because there are 1.4 billion chinese ready to buy their own smartphones. Im sorry but chinese phones will not break through western/east asian markets. They'll get hit with massive patent sues and their brand image is literally shit. The specs are all identical and i would rather choose a reliable brand like samsung or LG Exactly my views. However, Chinese brands have already penetrated the US market/other western markets and are available. If US consumers start buying them en masse, you'll have millions of American personal data being transmitted to Chinese servers, where they can do anything they want with bank accounts, personal information and other private information. Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 10:40 StarStruck wrote:
wait a second you think these other companies can be trusted? lmao... Well the 1st reply in this thread says it all as well. These other companies (Apple, LG, Samsung etc) can be trusted because they do not transmit personal information outside of the US or your home country. They do not pose a security threat to your or my home country. Furthermore, most capitalist, democratic countries can be trusted when dealing with personal information. Chinese companies, on the other hand, are linked to the Chinese government, which presents a conflict of interest in the name of corporate economic greed and possible identity/credit card theft. Basically the Chinese government is using unethical behavior to allow Chinese smartphone makers to destroy Apple and Samsung's lead in the smartphone market. Apple and Samsung are a product of capitalism. They do not rely on government puppet string intervention and this is what drives competitiveness. Xiaomi and Huawei on the other hand, are a product of Chinese government puppet strings. High-ranking Chinese government officials have huge financial interests in these companies. That's how the majority of Chinese companies operate. I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess some of you guys are naive (no offence intended). Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 11:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
how do shit threads by terribly biased OPs, that troll out tons of argumentative emotional drivel, ultimately advancing nobody's viewpoints, survive so long? Sir, you are the biased emotional one, not me.
today: american court rules that Microsoft must allow the US government to access data held in Dublin
It's not even the company going yolo better cooperate with the us gov, its literally a court going, hey american company give us your user data. as a proud american that is kinda :/
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On August 02 2014 09:07 AutoEngineer wrote:
Apple and Samsung are a product of capitalism. They do not rely on government puppet string intervention and this is what drives competitiveness.
You think it costs Samsung or Apple any more to produce these products as Xiaomi, Huawei and the like? If anything, they're making them cheaper. When you buy either of their products, you're paying premium largely for their marketing.
The reason people are moving to these devices is because of capitalism. Some guys in China realized it only costs about $100 (out of my ass) to produce and assemble and ship these devices... and people will happily pay at least double that!
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Who wrote that article, anyway? One has to think that it may have been written by someone with… vested interests in this debate. A brand competitor, or someone working within a foreign government (in this case likely the US).
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On August 02 2014 10:40 discomatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 09:07 AutoEngineer wrote:
Apple and Samsung are a product of capitalism. They do not rely on government puppet string intervention and this is what drives competitiveness. You think it costs Samsung or Apple any more to produce these products as Xiaomi, Huawei and the like? If anything, they're making them cheaper. When you buy either of their products, you're paying premium largely for their marketing. The reason people are moving to these devices is because of capitalism. Some guys in China realized it only costs about $100 (out of my ass) to produce and assemble and ship these devices... and people will happily pay at least double that!
Yep the profit margin on the iphones are INSANE. Something like 65-75% depending on the source you look at. Basically the $650 iphone flagship models of the time only costs about $200 to make and Apple fucks you hard with its fat dick that is the $450 profit.
Competition benefits YOU as a consumer. It's one thing to demand transparent business practices, but it's another to blindly declare your allegiance with the "American Brands" (ironically the largest share of the iphone's profits goes to Germany, and Samsung is of course a conglomerate based in... South Korea) and make a mental note not to ever buy anything Chinese in the smartphone market.
On August 01 2014 10:35 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:54 raga4ka wrote:
I should of bought a chinese phone instead of the LG G2 , although i like the phone . The Oppo find 7 , Xiaomi Mi3 , 4 and the One plus One are far better value for the money you spend then other overpriced phones and flagships .
Technology in China has caught up , and will probably surpass the competition in a couple of years . And if i have to choose i would rather have China spying on me then US/EU . Chinese has caught up because there are 1.4 billion chinese ready to buy their own smartphones. Im sorry but chinese phones will not break through western/east asian markets. They'll get hit with massive patent sues and their brand image is literally shit. The specs are all identical and i would rather choose a reliable brand like samsung or LG
I'm sorry but economic market forces are stronger than any biases you might have; see the first part of my post. The fact of the matter is that Xiaomi and Huawei phones are already gaining a foothold; I see quite a few people carrying them at work.
Also, your diction choice of the word "reliable" intrigues me; what exactly is it about an LG phone that is more reliable than a Xiaomi one?
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Id pick the chinese communists over the US everyday. At least there arent religious nutjobs in their government.
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What operating system do those chinese phones have? If it's Android, isn't there a preinstalled NSA rootkit/backdoor anyway?
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On August 02 2014 23:52 Yuljan wrote:
Id pick the chinese communists over the US everyday. At least there arent religious nutjobs in their government.
theyre not even communists
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I have a Xiaomi and it's fine. All apple products are spyed on by the US so I don't see why the chinese wouldn't do the same xD
And anyone doing banking through their phone is lacking some grey matter and common sense anyway
And it's less surprising to see this kind of thing from china since it isn't a democracy.
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I like how you think Huawei aren't also multinational corporations - they may have ties to the Chinese government, but then a lot of companies do. But they operate globally.
If you think the make or model of phone is indicative of who is spying where, you're also out of your mind. The NSA doesn't care what phone you have, because they are pulling it out of the networks. Your phone is irrelevant.
Oh, I should mention that the first part of this post is in part because when I walk out my door, if I look to the left, I can see the Huawei building. (It shares the building with another company, but their sign faces this way.)
There is a lot of globalism in the entire supply chain and manufacturing industries - parts going everywhere, assembly and pre-assembly taking place in different places; although a lot of final assembly does take place in China.
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On July 30 2014 19:39 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 18:13 AutoEngineer wrote:On July 30 2014 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 30 2014 18:06 AutoEngineer wrote:No we shouldn't trust Carrier Rootkit (which is not a mobile phone manufacturer). There are many civil and criminal lawsuits that have been launched against them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ My point is the industry is such a free for all money grab that we shouldn't trust anybody, and no-one should be under the illusion that their mobile data is in any way safe or private. Frankly if my data is being sent to someone else i wouldn't care whether it was the manufacturer of the phone or some third party developer, i would be equally as pissed off. Sending personal/business/government data of American users to the Chinese Communist Party presents a huge security threat to the USA. This is the primary concern. You have got to be kidding me. How is this any different than the USA getting all this information unlawfully from all of its supposed allies?
I hope you know this a quite a different circumstance. Good attempt at justifying their actions though.
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At least I know what to buy if I don't want to be spied on by American Govt and companies xD
On August 02 2014 09:07 AutoEngineer wrote:
These other companies (Apple, LG, Samsung etc) can be trusted because they do not transmit personal information outside of the US or your home country. They do not pose a security threat to your or my home country. Furthermore, most capitalist, democratic countries can be trusted when dealing with personal information.
= Most bullshit, biased post EVER. You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about, and that's coming from an IT security guy working for a european government :-D The US or our countries, not posing security threats ? Capitalism can be trusted when dealing with personal info ????????!!!!! LOL
Hey, spying is fine guy, we just won't steal your credit card info ! Just know and use everything else that happens in your life !
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The Chinese are spying too? How unexpected......
Somehow the scale of USA spying on longterm allies was much more shocking to me, that felt like a serieus backstab.
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This is pretty big.
Google and now Facebook are sending user data to US servers which are of course linked to the American National Security Agency, or even worse, hacking, identity theft, credit card theft, etc the list goes on. I also wouldn't trust any other American companies like Microsoft.
Oh, sorry, thought I was in one of the threads about the Snowden revelations.
Seriously, the sentence IMO people should stick to Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC, etc... companies that can be trusted. made me literally lol.
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On August 03 2014 07:00 ACrow wrote:This is pretty big. Google and now Facebook are sending user data to US servers which are of course linked to the American National Security Agency, or even worse, hacking, identity theft, credit card theft, etc the list goes on. I also wouldn't trust any other American companies like Microsoft. Oh, sorry, thought I was in one of the threads about the Snowden revelations. Seriously, the sentence Show nested quote +IMO people should stick to Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC, etc... companies that can be trusted. made me literally lol.
Google and Facebook have user credit card information? That's news to me.
The NSA does not use personal information for corporate or theft purposes.
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Google has a big app store for android stuff. They have shitloads of credit card informations. No idea about Facebook. And noone knows what the NSA does with your data since it's all secret.
The point being made is that you are talking nonsense, and are for some reason trying to instill fear of chinese companies while very much proposing that Samsung and Apple are the best companies in history and everyone should buy their phones. It is not very obvious WHO pays you right now, but it is very obvious that posting this bullshit is your job and SOMEONE pays you, because noone else shares your ridiculous opinions.
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