EPTOn July 31 2014 00:50 boxerfred wrote:
The internet is the berst/borst thing that ever happened to humanity.
The internet is the berst/borst thing that ever happened to humanity.
what?
Xiaomi and Huawei linked to Chinese government - Page 4
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
On July 30 2014 23:59 oneofthem wrote: nsa is far from china. you guys need to get some perspective. Right, I chose China EZ. Far less scary to me. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
OP, you realize that Samsung, Apple etc. all get their chips from Foxconn, a Chinese company? If China or the USA or any other country wants to spy on you, buying from a different company isn't going to stop that. Only if you disconnect from the internet, or install some other operating system like (non-Android) Linux onto your phone are you going to be even mildly safe. Even then, who knows who's looking at your ISP's data? OK, so then you just encrypt all your data. But the data has to go somewhere, and at that end point it gets decrypted. Who's reading it there? Again, if China or the USA wants your data they are going to get it. The best that we can do as small-time individuals is to encrypt all our data and use good security practices to make things harder for the people spying on us. I don't want the USA reading my data, I don't want China reading my data, and I don't want my own country's government reading my data. But the Mi4 is verra niizeeeeeeeee looking phone for an excellent price and I plan on getting it. | ||
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AutoEngineer
United States97 Posts
On July 31 2014 21:14 Birdie wrote:OP, you realize that Samsung, Apple etc. all get their chips from Foxconn, a Chinese company? No they don't. Please don't say anything if you don't know what you're talking about. Samsung gets its chips from Samsung, the Exynos processors. Some international Samsung variants use Snapdragon SoCs from Qualcomm. Foxconn doesn't design any SoCs or CPUs; your claims are all incorrect. Samsung products get all their RAM and memory/flash units from Samsung or Hynix, which are Korean companies. Apple iPhones get their memory from Hynix predominantly. Also Foxconn may manufacture SoCs for Qualcomm but they can't put Chinese structures in there for obvious reasons. And Apple's CPUs are 100% sourced from Samsung. For the iPhone 6, TSMC, a Taiwanese (NOT Chinese) company will also contribute. But from 2015 onwards, Samsung will be the only CPU supplier to Apple because Samsung is the only company that has the technology to manufacture 14nm processors. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 31 2014 23:57 AutoEngineer wrote: No they don't. Please don't say anything if you don't know what you're talking about. Samsung gets its chips from Samsung, the Exynos processors. Some international Samsung variants use Snapdragon SoCs from Qualcomm. Foxconn doesn't design any SoCs or CPUs; your claims are all incorrect. Samsung products get all their RAM and memory/flash units from Samsung or Hynix, which are Korean companies. Apple iPhones get their memory from Hynix predominantly. Also Foxconn may manufacture SoCs for Qualcomm but they can't put Chinese structures in there for obvious reasons. And Apple's CPUs are 100% sourced from Samsung. For the iPhone 6, TSMC, a Taiwanese (NOT Chinese) company will also contribute. But from 2015 onwards, Samsung will be the only CPU supplier to Apple because Samsung is the only company that has the technology to manufacture 14nm processors. If Taiwan is no problem, then there is no need to argue about Foxconn in the first place, since that company is also Taiwanese. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Heck the first one even ends on the note of: The auto-backup feature also apparently comes disabled according to Xiaomi, so the collection of preference calculation is something that sounds like it has to be enabled by the user in the first place, which could be exactly what happened in this scenario. In short, we shouldn’t be rushing to burn anyone at the stake. Couldn't find anything of the likes with my mighty ctrl+f skills | ||
Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
On August 01 2014 01:11 Toadesstern wrote: In what part of the articles you linked is there any talk of identiy theft, credit cards shenanigans or whatever else you mentioned? Heck the first one even ends on the note of: Couldn't find anything of the likes with my mighty ctrl+f skills The sources mentions SMS and pictures being shared to the server - the implication is that with chinese goverment ties and stuff like some hacking businesses also having such ties, who knows it'll just be SMSs and pictures... I think it's partially a valid concern, but a bit overblown and a tad sinophobic from the OP. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On August 01 2014 01:15 Duvon wrote: The sources mentions SMS and pictures being shared to the server - the implication is that with chinese goverment ties and stuff like some hacking businesses also having such ties, who knows it'll just be SMSs and pictures... I think it's partially a valid concern, but a bit overblown and a tad sinophobic from the OP. no, clearly you dont udnerstand. because 2 companies might be sharing data with the government in a way that has never ever been seen before, we should boycott all chinese companies. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 01 2014 01:26 CeriseCherries wrote: we should boycott all chinese companies. sounds like when the chinese were all OMG BOYCOTT JAPANESE PRODUCTS, meanwhile they dont even realize how much of their shit is of japanese technology. | ||
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xpldngmn
Austria265 Posts
AutoEngineer linked to US intelligence agency This is very small. This guy comes to TL and warns of spying via mobile phones, forgets to mention NSA and states that "NSA pertains to mainly within US borders". Intelligence agencies are very well known for trying to interfere with public opinion and giving out false information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion IMO the populace of TL.net is clever enough to make fun of his little post and see that my reply is a caricature on his "paranoia". | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I like my privacy. Ever since I started using the internet, it seemed obvious to me that privacy didn't exist here. That's why you put as little personal information up there as possible. | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
On August 01 2014 01:52 xpldngmn wrote: AutoEngineer linked to US intelligence agency This is very small. This guy comes to TL and warns of spying via mobile phones, forgets to mention NSA and states that "NSA pertains to mainly within US borders". Intelligence agencies are very well known for trying to interfere with public opinion and giving out false information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion IMO the populace of TL.net is clever enough to make fun of his little post and see that my reply is a caricature on his "paranoia". I knew OP was so full of it, but couldnt find a reason for it. He got BUSTED!! | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On a more logical note, they're drowning themselves in mostly useless information like facts about cats or how much time people have for a personal break at work and lots and lots of porn. If the governments want to do anything reasonable with this they'll just give it to commercial companies to sift through and make a quick buck like facebook does. Anyone who is worth tracking already knows other ways of communicating that aren't through cell phones/computers. The only major concern is when they target companies, they'll get a lot of useful information through emails about what a company is currently working on and this makes corporate espionage a lot easier, so again, the best thing for the government to do is make a quick buck and sell it to commercial groups. (That is if the government actual cares about money. The US doesn't seem to.) | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On July 30 2014 20:56 AutoEngineer wrote: Relax, no need to use foul language. Yes, the NSA did wiretap on Angela Merckel's phone but 99% of the wiretapping were within US borders. NSA has been caught (by our services) installing wiring devices on several network equipments and phones before they were shipped to several military of civilian companies in Europe. This is pure spying and not listening to conversations. This is as or more important for OUR safety than having data stored on a chinese server. Anything on a US server isn't safe either. Why should China be different than the US, because they could steal a credit card number ? Just tell your bank when it happens. STOP with shitting on chinese companies on account of NO PROOF, when any company you sold as "good, safe" is involved in massive, legal data leakage.... Seriously. (and I'm in IT, government level. Some armies are considering buying chinese equipment instead of US one *because* of that) | ||
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AutoEngineer
United States97 Posts
On August 01 2014 01:52 xpldngmn wrote: AutoEngineer linked to US intelligence agency This is very small. This guy comes to TL and warns of spying via mobile phones, forgets to mention NSA and states that "NSA pertains to mainly within US borders". Intelligence agencies are very well known for trying to interfere with public opinion and giving out false information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion IMO the populace of TL.net is clever enough to make fun of his little post and see that my reply is a caricature on his "paranoia". Hmm. Resorting to ad hominem remarks now, are we? Where is your proof that I am linked to the US intelligence agency? Right, you have none. I thought ad hominem comments weren't allowed at TeamLiquid. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On August 01 2014 09:49 AutoEngineer wrote: Hmm. Resorting to ad hominem remarks now, are we? Where is your proof that I am linked to the US intelligence agency? Right, you have none. I thought ad hominem comments weren't allowed at TeamLiquid. I'm not sure you get his last line. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 01 2014 09:49 AutoEngineer wrote: Hmm. Resorting to ad hominem remarks now, are we? Where is your proof that I am linked to the US intelligence agency? Right, you have none. I thought ad hominem comments weren't allowed at TeamLiquid. I find it slightly amusing that you would talk about proof in this discussion. You've willfully ignored several posts contradicting you - either because you somehow missed them all or because you don't know how to answer them - and make sweeping generalisations and uninformed statements. xpldngmn's post isn't exactly the pinnacle of TL posting (don't miss the last line in his post), that's true, but you're making a few mistakes in Forum Discussion 101 as well. | ||
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ykl
Malaysia541 Posts
I think the lack of understanding of humor seems to be another proof for xpldngmn's (sarcastic) point actually. | ||
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
These companies will mine data just like facebook is doing, but if any mass instances of identity theft would come up they would be in trouble and lose customers, something that is unprofitable and thus unlikely. They will share data with the Chinese government, but then again, so do Google, Microsoft, Apple and every other U.S. based company with the U.S. government, so really, who gives a flying fuck. | ||
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