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SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 11:59:45
July 30 2014 11:48 GMT
#21
On July 30 2014 19:40 AutoEngineer wrote:


If you're referring to the NSA, then the NSA pertains to mainly within US borders.


What the hell are you talking about? Have you not read any of the news concerning the US spying on European countries, particularly Germany? About wiretapping Merkel's personal phone?

Or are you so US-centric that you weren't even aware about the international outcry over NSA spying?
AutoEngineer
Profile Joined June 2014
United States97 Posts
July 30 2014 11:56 GMT
#22
On July 30 2014 20:48 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 19:40 AutoEngineer wrote:


If you're referring to the NSA, then the NSA pertains to mainly within US borders.


What the shit are you talking about? Have you not read any of the news concerning the US spying on European countries, particularly Germany? About wiretapping Merkel's personal phone?

Or are you so US-centric that you weren't even aware about the international outcry over NSA spying?


Relax, no need to use foul language.

Yes, the NSA did wiretap on Angela Merckel's phone but 99% of the wiretapping were within US borders.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
July 30 2014 12:01 GMT
#23
I feel sorry for the poor bugger who has to sift through all the "lv u 2 babes" texts and the like before they find something worthwhile.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
July 30 2014 12:06 GMT
#24
On July 30 2014 19:32 Zealously wrote:
If memory serves, Samsung is one of the world's most corrupt companies. Further, what Huawei and Xiaomi are doing doesn't seem very different from what several other cellphone manufacturers did in the US. That others are doing the same doesn't mean that we should all up and trust these two companies, but looking to a company like Apple or Samsung and expecting a trustworthy company that will keep your mobile data private is also foolish.

The only bad thing I know about Samsung is what they did to JangBi T_T
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2014 12:07 GMT
#25
On July 30 2014 21:06 Pangpootata wrote:
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On July 30 2014 19:32 Zealously wrote:
If memory serves, Samsung is one of the world's most corrupt companies. Further, what Huawei and Xiaomi are doing doesn't seem very different from what several other cellphone manufacturers did in the US. That others are doing the same doesn't mean that we should all up and trust these two companies, but looking to a company like Apple or Samsung and expecting a trustworthy company that will keep your mobile data private is also foolish.

The only bad thing I know about Samsung is what they did to JangBi T_T


I wouldn't have bought the S3 if that had come to light earlier, god damnit Samsung
AdministratorBreak the chains
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
July 30 2014 13:15 GMT
#26
Why does everyone want to spy on me? China, the USA, my own country... I just don't get it. I'm not that interesting, and it's supposed to be against our civil rights (in two of those countries, at least).

Why have these rights if they're just going to get violated anyway?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
July 30 2014 13:39 GMT
#27
In a choice between the NSA and China I'll take whichever phone has the biggest screen.
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
July 30 2014 13:46 GMT
#28
On July 30 2014 22:15 goiflin wrote:
Why does everyone want to spy on me? China, the USA, my own country... I just don't get it. I'm not that interesting, and it's supposed to be against our civil rights (in two of those countries, at least).

Why have these rights if they're just going to get violated anyway?

2001 Mister Bush, one of the worst president that humanity has known.
In the name of some conservative shit, managed to fuck up the middle east even more, to impose spying on every citizen of his own country and even on allies. He gave every argument to ammoral countries like China or Russia to do the same things.
You can even wonder how he got elected two times, y consuming better than thinking... God bless america!

And also I don t think people should get patriotic with companies like that (Apple is international not American anymore) but instead if they want to help their country, buy things that are produced in the country itself regardless of the company's country of origin.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 30 2014 13:53 GMT
#29
On July 30 2014 19:15 Pr0wler wrote:
So the choice is NSA or the Chinese communists? Pretty hard one.

It's easy, if you live in the Chinese sphere of influence you pick NSA spying on you, if you live in the NSA sphere of influence you pick the Chinese spying on you.

...if only it was that easy. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12738 Posts
July 30 2014 13:54 GMT
#30
I am more sadden by the fact that OP is more concerned about which country is spying on who than spying itself as an issue.

These mass surveillance will only get worse and comes in many different forms and as technology improves, more of our information will get monitored / trackable.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 30 2014 14:12 GMT
#31
On July 30 2014 20:36 Velr wrote:
Is there a TL/LD-Award for most ironic tread of the year? :D

this. This thread has got to be a joke lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1727 Posts
July 30 2014 14:15 GMT
#32
You can also choose not to have a cell phone that would cut it short.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 30 2014 14:59 GMT
#33
nsa is far from china. you guys need to get some perspective.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2014 15:09 GMT
#34
On July 30 2014 23:59 oneofthem wrote:
nsa is far from china. you guys need to get some perspective.


Making a post does little. Show, don't tell.
AdministratorBreak the chains
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
July 30 2014 15:12 GMT
#35
On July 30 2014 23:59 oneofthem wrote:
nsa is far from china. you guys need to get some perspective.

Yeah, Chinese haven't started any war in over 30 years.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 30 2014 15:16 GMT
#36
happy americans and chinese have their own phones -_-
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
July 30 2014 15:18 GMT
#37
On July 30 2014 19:40 AutoEngineer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 19:32 Zealously wrote:
If memory serves, Samsung is one of the world's most corrupt companies. Further, what Huawei and Xiaomi are doing doesn't seem very different from what several other cellphone manufacturers did in the US. That others are doing the same doesn't mean that we should all up and trust these two companies, but looking to a company like Apple or Samsung and expecting a trustworthy company that will keep your mobile data private is also foolish.


Corrupt? Yes, of course. But corruption applies to all big, successful companies.

Apple was also accused of poor working conditions at Foxconn. Apple and other smartphone companies are just as corrupt as Samsung.

No big, successful company on the face of this world is not corrupt. They had to get to their position by cheating one way or another. Steve Jobs was a corrupt person, but all of this is censored by the American mainstream media. If you don't believe that the biggest companies of today are products of corruption and cheating, then you have not been exposed to the reality of the business world.

But there's a difference between corruption and hacking/theft/espionage.

The point of this thread is to discuss hacking/theft/espionage. While corruption is also an issue, that's not the main point of this thread.

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 19:39 SixStrings wrote:
On July 30 2014 18:13 AutoEngineer wrote:
On July 30 2014 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 30 2014 18:06 AutoEngineer wrote:
On July 30 2014 17:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
yes we should definitely trust these other companies


No we shouldn't trust Carrier Rootkit (which is not a mobile phone manufacturer). There are many civil and criminal lawsuits that have been launched against them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ


My point is the industry is such a free for all money grab that we shouldn't trust anybody, and no-one should be under the illusion that their mobile data is in any way safe or private.
Frankly if my data is being sent to someone else i wouldn't care whether it was the manufacturer of the phone or some third party developer, i would be equally as pissed off.



Sending personal/business/government data of American users to the Chinese Communist Party presents a huge security threat to the USA. This is the primary concern.


You have got to be kidding me.

How is this any different than the USA getting all this information unlawfully from all of its supposed allies?


If you're referring to the NSA, then the NSA pertains to mainly within US borders.


Lol right, NSA only american borders
maru G5L pls
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 15:20:11
July 30 2014 15:19 GMT
#38
So chinese internet companies are doing for the chinese government what us-american internet companies are (wished to be) doing for the us-american government?
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
July 30 2014 15:19 GMT
#39
On July 30 2014 23:59 oneofthem wrote:
nsa is far from china. you guys need to get some perspective.

Americans are bad at geography, we all know this; someone needed to point this out. Thanks
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
July 30 2014 15:27 GMT
#40
As written in the article : "Rumor: Xiaomi RedMi Note Accused Of Sending Personal Data To Chinese Servers"

We'd better spread this rumor fast so we can alert the consumer to buy products from the good companies (those where it's not a rumor but a fact that they send personal data to remote servers)
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