EPTNot really fair if people can viewbot you at their own discretion and you're held accountable for it.
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Not really fair if people can viewbot you at their own discretion and you're held accountable for it. | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
However after I visit some channels that have been boosted by bhw freebies, a lot of them have been closed. Sometimes they just like to go on a troll weekend and boost some random stuff. For the lulz I guess. | ||
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eightym
United States76 Posts
The only two valid possibilities are that he is viewbotting himself, or the viewers are valid. If the viewers are valid, he's literally the only streamer I have ever seen that immediately jumps to 2,000+ viewers the moment he streams. Even Stephano, Demuslim, TLO, Destiny, etc (i.e. actual popular streamers) start out at a hundred or so, and gradually work their way up to 2,000+ Winter played the system and he played it well. Props to him. I hope Twitch.tv creates some sort of algorithm like Google's PageRank to eliminate these cheaters. Just something to eliminate how easy it is to game the system. People automatically watch the person who has the most views. Viewbots steal viewers from the streamers who deserve to be on top. There's no way to prove that he is viewbotting until twitch makes their viewcount algorithm more strict and we can see him drop to, at most, 800 viewers/day. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
There's no way in hell even half of those are real. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On July 17 2014 01:46 eightym wrote: The argument that someone else is botting winter is nonsense. If that were so, he wouldn't start out at 2000+ every time he streams. There's no reason someone would be motivated enough to assume that responsibility 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Especially when viewbots help him. Unless they want to get him removed - They would have plenty of motive. The only two valid possibilities are that he is viewbotting himself, or the viewers are valid. If the viewers are valid, he's literally the only streamer I have ever seen that immediately jumps to 2,000+ viewers the moment he streams. Even Stephano, Demuslim, TLO, Destiny, etc (i.e. actual popular streamers) start out at a hundred or so, and gradually work their way up to 2,000+ Winter played the system and he played it well. Props to him. I hope Twitch.tv creates some sort of algorithm like Google's PageRank to eliminate these cheaters. Just something to eliminate how easy it is to game the system. Winter plays it very well, and can say "It was not me" and others are doing such out of spite. People automatically watch the person who has the most views. Viewbots steal viewers from the streamers who deserve to be on top. There's no way to prove that he is viewbotting until twitch makes their viewcount algorithm more strict and we can see him drop to, at most, 800 viewers/day. Exactly - ZLFreeBird now makes money for twitch.tv, so I doubt anything will happen. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
"chatter_count": 889 http://tmi.twitch.tv/group/user/zlfreebird/ MarineKing 741 "chatter_count": 457 http://tmi.twitch.tv/group/user/marinekingprime Mmm hmmm... | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On July 29 2014 23:39 scott31337 wrote: WinterStarcraft 3365 "chatter_count": 889 http://tmi.twitch.tv/group/user/zlfreebird/ MarineKing 741 "chatter_count": 457 http://tmi.twitch.tv/group/user/marinekingprime Mmm hmmm... you don't have to be logged into twitch to watch a stream... | ||
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Socup
190 Posts
If a stream sucks for one reason or another, people WILL leave to find a different one, whether bots are giving it extra viewers or not. Bots might be incentive to go to check out if its any good, but people only STAY if it's actually good. Therefore, bots really have minimal, if any, impact on retaining viewers beyond a single day. I'm actually chuckling a bit at the thought of people actually paying for this service. Talk about fleecing fools. Case in point, I have watched plenty of twitch streams from TL and for GSLs and have NEVER heard about this Winter character. Noone talks about him. I wasn't even aware of this person's existence until this thread. Clearly the botting didn't draw me in when i use twitch regularly. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:12 amazingxkcd wrote: you don't have to be logged into twitch to watch a stream... When you have actually only 5 people talking with 3000 viewers, there is something wrong dude. | ||
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wasdf
4 Posts
On July 30 2014 01:24 Socup wrote: I find the moaning and reasoning behind the anti-viewbot stance suspect. I think it amounts to nothing in the end. For starters, you can't "trick" people into watching a sub par stream (do they have no free will?), unless those people are bandwagoners who don't know anything about the stream and dont actually care. If a stream sucks for one reason or another, people WILL leave to find a different one, whether bots are giving it extra viewers or not. Bots might be incentive to go to check out if its any good, but people only STAY if it's actually good. Therefore, bots really have minimal, if any, impact on retaining viewers beyond a single day. I'm actually chuckling a bit at the thought of people actually paying for this service. Talk about fleecing fools. Case in point, I have watched plenty of twitch streams from TL and for GSLs and have NEVER heard about this Winter character. Noone talks about him. I wasn't even aware of this person's existence until this thread. Clearly the botting didn't draw me in when i use twitch regularly. Ya well said, I think those concerned about bots "stealing" viewers underestimate the intelligence of fellow humans. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 30 2014 18:25 wasdf wrote: Ya well said, I think those concerned about bots "stealing" viewers underestimate the intelligence of fellow humans. This doesn't make it more right. He should be removed from the featuring, or even ban from the live stream list of TL. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Foreverkul
United States1649 Posts
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doyougmailbro
8 Posts
Pathetic http://i.imgur.com/T06cQlo.jpg | ||
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doyougmailbro
8 Posts
On July 31 2014 17:10 Foreverkul wrote: Big red flag when it comes to Winter in my opinion is how his viewership is unaffected by major events and other streams on top of his relatively dead chat and absurd donations and its always 3000k viewers. Seems highly suspect to me but I obviously can't say if hes viewbotting or not. I doubt anyone is actually donating that much money to his stream. He can fake it by stating any amount he wants since none of it is verified and he likes to keep it that way. Who in the right mind would donate 600 dollars just to watch him stream? His chat is always dead but the mod is always around to ban people who states specific facts about his channel that he doesn't want people to realize his use with viewbots and donation scams. That's right scams, why does he keep asking people to "give him" money, really he's not that important. Compare his chat with someone who really has 3k viewers, use Hutch for example. Now Hutch is genuine and you can tell by how active his chat is suggesting that he actually has 3k viewers. Let's not be fooled and inadvertently give this guy any of your money. http://i.imgur.com/T06cQlo.jpg | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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doyougmailbro
8 Posts
On September 15 2014 21:46 dizzy101 wrote: Why do almost all posters in this thread have 0 or 1 posts? Does TL have POST BOTTERS?!?! Could you be more relevant? | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On September 15 2014 21:46 dizzy101 wrote: Why do almost all posters in this thread have 0 or 1 posts? Does TL have POST BOTTERS?!?! cross forum posting, most of these users are from the sc forums, which doesn't register post count on liquiddota also, please don't throw these accusations around regarding viewbotting. | ||
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