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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
Alot maybe 10 people if i just randomly go look. last 2days i saw people with 80k extra viewbots. here is some extra resource: https://twitter.com/BotDetectorBot What u guys think about this, i think its very unfair, and does twitch actualy care about this? They need secure this. Who knows how much bad subs are featured with this fake viewerbot. Post below ur own opinium, and remember keep it gentle! | ||
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
i have no clue about the effects on their revenue with ads if the viewbots actually count, but i really hope not. I dont feel like these people who use that shit deserve extra income from that, sounds illegal, so on second thought it probably has no effect.. lol i think this viewbot shit should be banned and i definitely frown upon anybody who uses it | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
Now it makes sense. I'm following the sc2 scene since 2011 and this guy appeared out of nowhere with 2k viewers. | ||
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Nighttiger
United States5 Posts
@Magnu He's at least mid masters. Smurfs a lot because it's more entertaining. Also he's fairly knowledgable. On the topic of viewbots, I don't know what else there is to say. Twitch has banned people over it, it's just somewhat hard to prove definite viewboting. | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
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DanTastiC
Germany34 Posts
On a serious note, do those viewbotted number also correlate with ad revenue? because then it for sure would be a problem. | ||
looknohands119
United States815 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:23 MagnuMizer wrote: It screws with the "stats" on whats popular and even makes people like winter or painuser featured on TL, plus i often find myself looking at whatever has most views, because i figure its popular or something interesting is happening live right now.. then i tune in and all i see is some random diamond league player (winter) talking on a webcam as if he's day9.. i have no clue about the effects on their revenue with ads if the viewbots actually count, but i really hope not. I dont feel like these people who use that shit deserve extra income from that, sounds illegal, so on second thought it probably has no effect.. lol i think this viewbot shit should be banned and i definitely frown upon anybody who uses it On June 03 2014 05:27 Vandrad wrote: So Winter used Viewbots? Now it makes sense. I'm following the sc2 scene since 2011 and this guy appeared out of nowhere with 2k viewers. Okay, let’s get a few things straight. First of all, view-botting is done by a number of external services and it is explicitly against Twitch.TV’s Terms of Service. Second, just because a channel has viewbots on it does NOT mean that the broadcaster is intentionally botting. There are two other common things that may be the cause instead. Sometimes, other random watchers pay to have their favorite streamer botted or they do it to troll streamers they do not like. It is also common practice for botting companies to bot random streams in order to obscure who is and isn’t paying for their services. In either case, the streamer being botted is the victim rather than the perpetrator. Third, Winter has neither been intentionally botting nor are a large percentage of his viewers bots. Like every stream, he does from time to time end up with a small number of bots in his audience. However, the percentage of his viewership that is the result of bots is HIGHLY likely to be low given chat speed and username percentage comparisons to other big streamers (eg. its relatively easy to prove that he doesn’t have any larger percentage of bots as viewers than Stephano, iNcontroL, or Demuslim, on average). Winter also did not get his viewers overnight. He built them relatively slowly and although his growth accelerated around 6 months ago, its taken him that long just to gain ~2,000 average viewers (which relative to the rest of Twitch isn’t even that big of a leap). This stuff isn’t hard to understand or observe. TLDR; Get yo facts straight before posting next time! | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
It could be the streamer viewbotting themselves, a fan of the streamer viewbotting them, or someone that dislikes the streamer viewbotting them to try and get them banned. Or it could just be a troll doing it because they find it funny. Also, in a chat I was in, Encryptio mentioned that there was some kind of exploit that he pointed out to people at Twitch months ago, which they didn't do anything about, and that he thinks that people finally found out about it. (Don't have a screenshot, sorry). All in all its a tricky situation. Personally, I think the best way to deal with it is to have a detection system, and while a stream is being viewbotted disable ads/ remove the stream from the directory until it stops (people can still find it on favorites etc, just won't get new viewers from it). That would be alot of work, and I'm not sure if its possible to efficiently implement, but it's just my thoughts on it. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:44 AlternativeEgo wrote: That "detector" thingy claimed that only 160 of the 13k viewers were legit with when Snute and MC duked it out in the IEM qualifier produced by ESL and casted by Apollo and Kaelaris. I call bullshit It's not always right, but it works off trends and alot of other stuff. For most "normal" streamers, its pretty accurate. For events, it has a decent chance to be off, since those usually are anomalous compared to regular streams. | ||
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Nighttiger
United States5 Posts
The main issue is just that viewbots can trick people into watching a stream and those real viewers DO contribute to ad revenue. Those real viewers might also sub/donate to a subpar stream. It's also seen as an unfair advantage to be able to attract viewers easily because viewbots make a stream look popular. It bypasses the slow buildup of viewers new streamers experience (assuming they ever get any viewers at all!) For someone just switching between random streams, seeing a stream with lots of viewers naturally causes the viewer to have a higher chance of switching to it. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
I was randomly watching around the other night, it happened to be the night Wildstar launched and one of the twitch admins had 300,000 viewers. It was obviously someone with a viewbot fucking with him but I was like how in the fuck does this dude I've never heard of have 300k viewers?!?! | ||
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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:47 Nighttiger wrote: Viewbots do not add to ad revenue. So that is not the problem. The main issue is just that viewbots can trick people into watching a stream and those real viewers DO contribute to ad revenue. Those real viewers might also sub/donate to a subpar stream. It's also seen as an unfair advantage to be able to attract viewers easily because viewbots make a stream look popular. It bypasses the slow buildup of viewers new streamers experience (assuming they ever get any viewers at all!) For someone just switching between random streams, seeing a stream with lots of viewers naturally causes the viewer to have a higher chance of switching to it. I think if someone donates or subs to a stream they do it because they enjoy the stream instead of because that stream has high amount of viewers..... | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On June 03 2014 06:02 bosshd wrote: Yeah but you have to realise that some broadcaster get viewbotted instead of viewbotting themselves. It isn't as clear cut as simply banning every channel that has viewbotting going on. Don't like a streamer? Viewbot him and he'll be banned!I see alot noobs viewbot, even subs i think this is more wide spread and then people might actualy think. its a shame. If someone viewbots u should go offline. I try get featured. and a noob botted me so i went offline. i just be myself and get viewers auto when i do funny stuff. wintersc dunno about that guy, but would be suprezid here alot about this i do not name & shame so i'm not going to respond on this. Hope they add securiry in future. | ||
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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:41 looknohands119 wrote: Okay, let’s get a few things straight. First of all, view-botting is done by a number of external services and it is explicitly against Twitch.TV’s Terms of Service. Second, just because a channel has viewbots on it does NOT mean that the broadcaster is intentionally botting. There are two other common things that may be the cause instead. Sometimes, other random watchers pay to have their favorite streamer botted or they do it to troll streamers they do not like. It is also common practice for botting companies to bot random streams in order to obscure who is and isn’t paying for their services. In either case, the streamer being botted is the victim rather than the perpetrator. Third, Winter has neither been intentionally botting nor are a large percentage of his viewers bots. Like every stream, he does from time to time end up with a small number of bots in his audience. However, the percentage of his viewership that is the result of bots is HIGHLY likely to be low given chat speed and username percentage comparisons to other big streamers (eg. its relatively easy to prove that he doesn’t have any larger percentage of bots as viewers than Stephano, iNcontroL, or Demuslim, on average). Winter also did not get his viewers overnight. He built them relatively slowly and although his growth accelerated around 6 months ago, its taken him that long just to gain ~2,000 average viewers (which relative to the rest of Twitch isn’t even that big of a leap). This stuff isn’t hard to understand or observe. TLDR; Get yo facts straight before posting next time! How u think twitch can secure broadcasters from getting viewbotted, does it require a complex new update? | ||
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bosshd
Belgium72 Posts
On June 03 2014 06:06 Thorakh wrote: Yeah but you have to realise that some broadcaster get viewbotted instead of viewbotting themselves. It isn't as clear cut as simply banning every channel that has viewbotting going on. Don't like a streamer? Viewbot him and he'll be banned! Idd this is true, i dont want people that dont viewbot to get banned, but then again: how can twitch make it so this can be avoid CAHPCHA ? login required, hmmm or like someone else stated a DETECTOR that removes from main directory and u can still watch them on favorites. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
The real thing is that viewbots really aren't worth the money because the people who need to pay for viewbots aren't really getting a return on their investment. Streaming alone doesn't get much profit unless you're consistently over 10k viewers. Most people who have to pay for viewbots aren't really skilled enough to continue getting viewers. Then again I could be full of shit, I think viewbots has helped some of the more skilled players get an increased viewership... however.. they are still paying for it. | ||
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Peqqz
Germany201 Posts
On June 03 2014 05:44 AlternativeEgo wrote: That "detector" thingy claimed that only 160 of the 13k viewers were legit Well, if someone from ESL takes this useless thing a bit serious. The founder of the Twitter account could be in some trouble. This simply is character assassination, if they spread wrong informations. There is no proof, too. So... What the fuck? Seriously... | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
On June 03 2014 06:24 Peqqz wrote: Well, if someone from ESL takes this useless thing a bit serious. The founder of the Twitter account could be in some trouble. This simply is character assassination, if they spread wrong informations. There is no proof, too. So... What the fuck? Seriously... Dude, it says "I'm not necessarily accusing the streamers of botting their own channels." right in the Twitter profile description... | ||
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