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On December 23 2013 14:36 phunnykidd wrote:
ive read through this a bit, and im still confused on the OP.
it says that 99%=4000mmr and 5%=1500mmr.. i believe this is backwards since high mmr is better and fewer ppl would have that.
after finishing my placement matches for team mmr, i got 3k, then 1 game after, which i won, i got 2.5k, and my partner went from 3k to slightly higher. kinda weird lol, we played 5more games and went 4-1, im still 2.5k and hes like 3.1
kinda whacky!!!
How many dota2 games have you played in total?
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On December 23 2013 14:36 phunnykidd wrote:
ive read through this a bit, and im still confused on the OP.
it says that 99%=4000mmr and 5%=1500mmr.. i believe this is backwards since high mmr is better and fewer ppl would have that.
after finishing my placement matches for team mmr, i got 3k, then 1 game after, which i won, i got 2.5k, and my partner went from 3k to slightly higher. kinda weird lol, we played 5more games and went 4-1, im still 2.5k and hes like 3.1
kinda whacky!!!
You are reading it wrong, in the way you are reading it, 1%=4000 and 95%=1500, but the numbers should be correct. Team MMR can be very odd.
It basically means 99% is under 4k and 5% is under 1500, in the original blog.
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On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time....
so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement.
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On December 23 2013 14:39 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement.
Honestly, that has been my experience. The first experience of this I had was in the old rating system of normal, high and vh. In the high bracket teams co-operated and synergised MUCH more than teams in normal bracket.... and when I hit vh bracket it was bliss... for once I felt like I could relax because people were reading my movements and the whole team was moving together with minimal communication (meaning: it was not even necessary to communicate because we could basically read eachothers minds almost and just made decisions almost as one)... it was awesome.
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On December 23 2013 14:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement. Honestly, that has been my experience. The first experience of this I had was in the old rating system of normal, high and vh. In the high bracket teams co-operated and synergised MUCH more than teams in normal bracket.... and when I hit vh bracket it was bliss... for once I felt like I could relax because people were reading my movements and the whole team was moving together with minimal communication (meaning: it was not even necessary to communicate because we could basically read eachothers minds almost and just made decisions almost as one)... it was awesome.
I am going to call BS on this. You might of had a good game, but everyone communicates in dota. Thete is no magic MMR that makes games some blissful experience we can just bath in. If your losing games at your MMR, it's your fault.
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On December 23 2013 14:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement. Honestly, that has been my experience. The first experience of this I had was in the old rating system of normal, high and vh. In the high bracket teams co-operated and synergised MUCH more than teams in normal bracket.... and when I hit vh bracket it was bliss... for once I felt like I could relax because people were reading my movements and the whole team was moving together with minimal communication (meaning: it was not even necessary to communicate because we could basically read eachothers minds almost and just made decisions almost as one)... it was awesome. I am going to call BS on this. You might of had a good game, but everyone communicates in dota. Thete is no magic MMR that makes games some blissful experience we can just bath in. If your losing games at your MMR, it's your fault.
I am talking from honest experience. Deceiving you will not improve my situation or my frustrations.
Just out of curiosity, what's your MMR? What bracket were you before they were removed? Normal, High or Very High?
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On December 23 2013 14:36 phunnykidd wrote:
ive read through this a bit, and im still confused on the OP.
it says that 99%=4000mmr and 5%=1500mmr.. i believe this is backwards since high mmr is better and fewer ppl would have that.
They are percentiles. 99% (99th percentile) means that you're better than 99% of the player population.
On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time....
It is easy to win a game when you get ahead early on. You have to be extremely skilled to be able to come back in a losing game.
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On December 23 2013 15:23 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:52 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2013 14:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement. Honestly, that has been my experience. The first experience of this I had was in the old rating system of normal, high and vh. In the high bracket teams co-operated and synergised MUCH more than teams in normal bracket.... and when I hit vh bracket it was bliss... for once I felt like I could relax because people were reading my movements and the whole team was moving together with minimal communication (meaning: it was not even necessary to communicate because we could basically read eachothers minds almost and just made decisions almost as one)... it was awesome. I am going to call BS on this. You might of had a good game, but everyone communicates in dota. Thete is no magic MMR that makes games some blissful experience we can just bath in. If your losing games at your MMR, it's your fault. I am talking from honest experience. Deceiving you will not improve my situation or my frustrations. Just out of curiosity, what's your MMR? What bracket were you before they were removed? Normal, High or Very High?
Plansix is almost entirely correct (not everybody communicates in dota). But there are good games and there are bad games at every MMR level and you probably had a game or two on Very High where your teammates were nice and knew what to do, but there will be games where that won't be the case. Also it's probably likely that in those Very High games that your teammates were higher ranked than you.
If it matters to you then I am a consistently Very High player that is ~4700 uncalibrated. And I can safely say that most of the replies you have received in the past couple pages are also from Very High players, some of whom are well over 5k.
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On December 23 2013 14:39 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 14:35 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote:
i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... so you're basically telling me the lower the rating, the less cooperative teammates you have. i'll refute that statement.
well, it is quite obvious that teammates are less cooperative in lower ranked games.
In a very high level game if your carry gets dived you get 3 tps immediatly without any communication. In a lower game (~3000-3500) you rather get flamed for feeding if they 5-man tower dive, but you almost never see anyone help. If you ask your support in low mmr games to ward or buy dusts or to buy gem they say, but i need to finish my "x" or "if you want wards, get wards yourself".
I played a game as doom today (3500 mmr), i was asking for them to push after a won teamfight, we even still had aegis, but nope 2 went back, 1 went jungling so i ended up pushing the wave and had to back after they respawned, we couldn't even force buybacks or take a rax.
You can't tell me that in a 6000mmr game if you wipe the whole enemy team (close to rosh) nobody pushes even if the whole enemy team is at least 30 seconds down and even after you tell them to push they refuse to win and go back to heal?
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I'm just wondering, if I keep on losing, will it give me a very bad rating when I've finished my calibration? I'm 3 games away from knowing my solo rating, in which I'm at 3-4 or 2-5. I'm just afraid that I will have a lower rating than my party rating, which is 3907 currently x_x
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not necessarily. you can lose half your calibration matches and still get to 4k or whatever.
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On December 23 2013 16:17 Eriksen wrote:
I'm just wondering, if I keep on losing, will it give me a very bad rating when I've finished my calibration? I'm 3 games away from knowing my solo rating, in which I'm at 3-4 or 2-5. I'm just afraid that I will have a lower rating than my party rating, which is 3907 currently x_x
I went 4-6 in my calibration games and I got 3.8k. It's mostly based off of your normal MMR, the 10 games are just to "fine tune" your rating after playing in a "ranked environment."
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Cool, thanks for the information. Anyway, which rating is the Very High bracket? >4100?
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On December 23 2013 17:03 Eriksen wrote:
Cool, thanks for the information. Anyway, which rating is the Very High bracket? >4100?
I would say very high starts somewhere in the high 3k range (3700-3900). I have a lot of friends that were just barely very high when the brackets were removed a few months ago, and they are all in the 3700-4200 range.
You start hitting page 1 games around high 4k's, and over 5k is when you would be a regular page 1-5 player from what I can tell.
edit: speculation of course.
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Anyone else playing in China on the China special servers?
It's pretty funny/aggravating for ranked matches. I used to play on the China/Southeast Asian servers all the time and the players we pretty good. I think it's because it was so hard to actually get into Steam or the Dota Network in China that only players that REALLY wanted to play even could.
Now they have opened the servers up and without fail (every game) there are at least 6-7 randoms every game including plenty of auto-repicks. The concepts of laning and Hero roles also seem pretty unknown (supports competing for last hits in lane, no wards, 12 min flying courier, etc). I jumped over from US servers where at my MMR (3700), everyone pretty much understands what going on and with a few exceptions would be good about wards and role stuff.
It's funny reading these QQ's about playing against stacks when I am actually dealing with mass randoms/repicks/late game walking couriers in ranked games.
Also, for the record: I actually really like playing against stacks. I think it's pretty rare that one of the party members is out of the league of the other players. I like the idea of the underdog squad of 3 solo's and a 2 man party stomping the 4 or 5 stack. 1st, it makes me feel less bad about losing (i can QQ about the stack) and 2nd, it makes me feel even better about winning.
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On December 23 2013 11:46 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +Everyone knows MMR will be or is used (rightly or wrongly so) to judge a players skill. You can make your profile private so no one can see it. Show nested quote +i hate getting points deducted when i win, thats just such bullshit valve and u know it Please give me a screenshot of your match history of a game where you won and lost rating. It doesn't happen so stop bullshitting.. Show nested quote +So why do people not queue as seven? because it is not possible, there is no reason why queueing as 4 needs to be possible, if people want to do this there is unranked. The way they do ranked now is retarded anyways, it should only be 5 stacks and solo-queue or at least give the option to not get matched with parties if alone back. Everything else is unfair. Stacks face other stacks. There will never be a party of 5 solo queuers vs a 5man stack. I already wait for the queue for 5-7minutes, if it had to separate all kind of stacks it would take ages. I don't really care if I win or lose rating, I just want to play some good Dota.
Obvious troll / harras post, get out please.
User was temp banned for this post.
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People are getting insanely insecure over this whole ranking thing. Kinda silly considering we play games for fun if you ask me. Even Sirlin said committing a ton of time into something that we don't enjoy in the long run is dumb.
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On December 23 2013 17:07 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:03 Eriksen wrote:
Cool, thanks for the information. Anyway, which rating is the Very High bracket? >4100? I would say very high starts somewhere in the high 3k range (3700-3900). I have a lot of friends that were just barely very high when the brackets were removed a few months ago, and they are all in the 3700-4200 range. You start hitting page 1 games around high 4k's, and over 5k is when you would be a regular page 1-5 player from what I can tell. edit: speculation of course.
I'm still confused by this, but I was in normal bracket, went 3-7 in my calibration matches and got almost a 3.9k rating. I honestly don't feel like anyway near what I thuoght was the "very high" bracket.
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Has anyone had an overly large increase in points (compared to the average of 25~) after winning a match?
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