EPTEither way, incresing the queue times by "5 minutes" would hardly prevent stomps from happening. People severely underestimate how often equal teams can stomp each other. It's how the game works. If you were to compare your games where you were matched instantly and the ones where you had to wait and the system accepted a larger range of MMRs, it wouldn't be such a landslide win in game quality for the faster queues as some people seem to believe.
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SKC
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Either way, incresing the queue times by "5 minutes" would hardly prevent stomps from happening. People severely underestimate how often equal teams can stomp each other. It's how the game works. If you were to compare your games where you were matched instantly and the ones where you had to wait and the system accepted a larger range of MMRs, it wouldn't be such a landslide win in game quality for the faster queues as some people seem to believe. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:32 MaZza[KIS] wrote: I never said I was perfect and I will openly admit to flaws... but please do realise -> DOTA IS A TEAM GAME. Who else is there to blame? A team is not a collection of brilliant individuals -> A team is a synergy, a whole! Individual skill is just a contributing factor, but not the main factor. Typical reasons why my teams fail: -> You ask supports to buy wards, they dont. -> You ask supports to harass other players in lane and pull. They don't -> You ask mid to gank after 10-15 minutes - they dont and/or you ask people to come to mid to gank - they don't - or even better, you're getting ganked in mid (repeatedly) and no one comes -> You ask jungle farmers to come into lane every once in a while to gank - they dont (this is especially annoying with pub furion players) -> You ask ppl to TP into towers and help save and/or reverse a gank - they don't I won't go on... All of these things have to do with individuals being selfish rather than playing with the team. Zero map awareness. Again, I am not brilliant, but at least I do all of these things because I understand why/how they contribute to a better outcome for the team. Honestly, I think there should be an in-game reporting metric for people to report how well another player is playing with the team... i.e. you are forced to rank each player at the end of the game in terms of their map awareness and overall contribution to the team. This would help improve things greatly as well... You can place the blame on yourself or even your enemies. The whole "I can't dig myself out of MMR hell" is bullshit. The same kind of player is on both team, if you are better than all of team, it's 1 + 4 idiots vs 5 idiots. Guess who should win. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:37 SKC wrote: I don't think most of the community is saying anything. Compared to the amount of people that play the game, the ones complaining are always a minority, no matter if they are right or wrong. If queue times were longer and they added a solo queue, you wouldn't see people complaining about stacks and would see people complaining about queue times. Either way, incresing the queue times by "5 minutes" would hardly prevent stomps from happening. People severely underestimate how often equal teams can stomp each other. It's how the game works. If you were to compare your games where you were matched instantly and the ones where you had to wait and the system accepted a larger range of MMRs, it wouldn't be such a landslide win in game quality for the faster queues as some people seem to believe. Everything you say would be nice if it were backed up by facts. People complain when they perceive something is wrong. In lieu of facts everything is just an opinion. Am I really that bad? I mean - I have lost 24/30 ranked matches that I have played. Is that 50%? I had a better time in public match making to be honest! I have played 1002 dota2 games. Before that was a dota1 player and joined the Beta very late. My average KDA in lost matches is > 1 (at a glance looking at it it's about 1.5... some games as high as 2.5-3... remember LOST matches and in most games deaths come at the tail end when everyone's fountain camping). KDA in won match is on average > 3. (in some games much >... around 5 -6) When I win I get +26 points. When I lose I get -26 points (pretty much every time). Am I just an anomaly? Has valve miscalibrated me that bad that I can't win? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:49 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Everything you say would be nice if it were backed up by facts. People complain when they perceive something is wrong. In lieu of facts everything is just an opinion. Am I really that bad? I mean - I have lost 24/30 ranked matches that I have played. Is that 50%? I had a better time in public match making to be honest! I have played 1002 dota2 games. Before that was a dota1 player and joined the Beta very late. My average KDA in lost matches is > 1 (at a glance looking at it it's about 1.5... some games as high as 2.5-3... remember LOST matches and in most games deaths come at the tail end when everyone's fountain camping). KDA in won match is on average > 3. (in some games much >... around 5 -6) When I win I get +26 points. When I lose I get -26 points (pretty much every time). Am I just an anomaly? Has valve miscalibrated me that bad that I can't win? Either you are on a losing streak, like everyone has, or you are doing something wrong where you cannot turn your perceived advantage in an actual win, if you actually have it. The system isn't personally out to get you, it doesn't put better players on the other team. The game isn't about stats, if your amazing KDA isn't helping your team win, you may be lacking something else. If Valve had miscalibrated you, you would be playing with people much better than yourself. Because playing with 9 players far worse than you is the easiest way to get free wins. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On December 23 2013 09:32 rabidch wrote: what rocketbear said. anybody who barely played themselves out of normal skill bracket rating previously is only barely a high skill bracket player Did you even read my post? When I got in high I stayed in high. 85% of my games were high, 5% vh and 10% normal. I am a solo only player... please show me how many pros out there have attained Solo MMR's. Most I have seen play in a team and dont even have solo MMR. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:56 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Did you even read my post? When I got in high I stayed in high. 85% of my games were high, 5% vh and 10% normal. I am a solo only player... please show me how many pros out there have attained Solo MMR's. Most they I have seen play in a team and dont even have solo MMR. Do you seriously not believe anyone has high solo MMRs? What do you want, a list? There's people in TL with over 5k. You are delusional if you think even pros can't get a good rank playing solo. You talk about playing High as if that's an achievement. High is something like 3k MMR. It's not particularly high by any means. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
I think you need to be honest, or if you are honest more astute. I'm at 4.2k atm and I watch streams of 5k players and spectate games of 5k friends and I simply make more mistake than them. In the past I often last random or just jungle sniper or whatever because I don't really care but the last 10 games or so I've actually been picking heroes I know and the team needs and have gained 200 rating already. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:56 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Did you even read my post? When I got in high I stayed in high. 85% of my games were high, 5% vh and 10% normal. I am a solo only player... please show me how many pros out there have attained Solo MMR's. Most I have seen play in a team and dont even have solo MMR. http://i.youku.com/u/UMzE2OTY2NjUy watch. All solo queues, 100% winrate. like someone said already, having 9 people on the team worse than you are is the safest way to get a win. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:49 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Everything you say would be nice if it were backed up by facts. People complain when they perceive something is wrong. In lieu of facts everything is just an opinion. Am I really that bad? I mean - I have lost 24/30 ranked matches that I have played. Is that 50%? I had a better time in public match making to be honest! I have played 1002 dota2 games. Before that was a dota1 player and joined the Beta very late. My average KDA in lost matches is > 1 (at a glance looking at it it's about 1.5... some games as high as 2.5-3... remember LOST matches and in most games deaths come at the tail end when everyone's fountain camping). KDA in won match is on average > 3. (in some games much >... around 5 -6) When I win I get +26 points. When I lose I get -26 points (pretty much every time). Am I just an anomaly? Has valve miscalibrated me that bad that I can't win? good players win more. bad players lose more. its simple. also dont compare ur kda's to 1, use this http://dotabuff.com/heroes/impact. lots of pro players have solo rating. lemme check my friend list real quick. bulba 5.3k tc 5.6k ixmike 4.7k dendi 5.8k ee 5.3k | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 23 2013 13:56 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Did you even read my post? When I got in high I stayed in high. 85% of my games were high, 5% vh and 10% normal. I am a solo only player... please show me how many pros out there have attained Solo MMR's. Most I have seen play in a team and dont even have solo MMR. I don't have any problems playing in solo. I play support and buy wards. If I play mid and I don't have wards, I buy them and put them down. I am no pro, but I can hold my own. Its a team game, just ask the supports to buy wards. If they don't, then you might need to and just suck it up. Game is hard, but not as hard as getting along when you think everyone else if fucking up. | ||
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On December 23 2013 14:04 AndyJay wrote: I think most of the top streamers I have seen have solo mmr's. Draskyl, arteezy, jerax are all 5-6k solo im pretty sure. Merlini I'm not sure, he nearly always stacks (and often with players considerably worse than him). I think you need to be honest, or if you are honest more astute. I'm at 4.2k atm and I watch streams of 5k players and spectate games of 5k friends and I simply make more mistake than them. In the past I often last random or just jungle sniper or whatever because I don't really care but the last 10 games or so I've actually been picking heroes I know and the team needs and have gained 200 rating already. I random heroes and play what I'm given. I like to think that I'm reasonable at all heroes although I have some heroes I'm really good at (predominatly caries. Naix, Sniper and Riki are my top three performing heroes so far although I have better winrates with others). I guess what I should add to this mix about my games is that I do in fact random heroes. I have often thought about starting to counterpick to ensure victory, but this seems like a boring way to play the game. I think I've mentioned (and if it's not clear I'll say it again) I'm not really interested in MMR, just consistent good quality games. Even If I lose I don't mind as long as the game is close and not a stomp. By the way, I am not lying. I am genuinely frustrated and cannot understand why i'm 6-24 in 30 games. | ||
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ChunderBoy
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On December 23 2013 14:18 MaZza[KIS] wrote: I random heroes and play what I'm given. I like to think that I'm reasonable at all heroes although I have some heroes I'm really good at (predominatly caries. Naix, Sniper and Riki are my top three performing heroes so far although I have better winrates with others). I guess what I should add to this mix about my games is that I do in fact random heroes. I have often thought about starting to counterpick to ensure victory, but this seems like a boring way to play the game. I think I've mentioned (and if it's not clear I'll say it again) I'm not really interested in MMR, just consistent good quality games. Even If I lose I don't mind as long as the game is close and not a stomp. By the way, I am not lying. I am genuinely frustrated and cannot understand why i'm 6-24 in 30 games. if u have sniper as one of ur best heroes, then being 6-24 isnt that surprising. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On December 23 2013 14:21 ChunderBoy wrote: if u have sniper as one of ur best heroes, then being 6-24 isnt that surprising. Again, he is randomed not picked, but thanks for the troll response. Your contributoin has been valuable. Also, it is not me, but Valve, who claims they will match you to give you best opportunity to get 50% winrate. Perhaps they should qualify that with a statement "But only if you play the following heroes...." | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On December 23 2013 14:21 MaZza[KIS] wrote: Again, he is randomed not picked, but thanks for the troll response. Your contributoin has been valuable. it was supposed to be like, if u manage to ever win with sniper then yeah u must be rly deep in the trench. i have not seen a sniper win in the past 2 years in any of my games. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On December 23 2013 14:24 ChunderBoy wrote: it was supposed to be like, if u manage to ever win with sniper then yeah u must be rly deep in the trench. i have not seen a sniper win in the past 2 years in any of my games. I am pretty consistent with sniper. I build RoA, Phase boots, Yasha, Mjollnir, then crystalis. I find RoA helps with lasthits early on, phase+yasha (with good farm early enough) helps with running away as soon as you see potential threats... and mjollnir is awesome once teamfights break out and you need to apply maximum damage before stuns and disables all run out, although mjollnir and crystallis can be interchanged or mjollnir dropped depending on rate of your farm. I think what I'm beginning to realise is that if you want to have succesful team games you need to hold off and pick after everyone else has picked. Otherwise say bye bye to 50% winrate. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
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On December 23 2013 14:29 Kuroeeah wrote: i played several games at 4k or whatever and the only instance where i've found myself playing against a 5 stack is if i'm the lone player playing with a 4 man stack. i've randomed most of my heroes as well when i play ranked for what it's worth i think the system works just fine when i solo queue. it's not perfect, you're going to lose some frustrating one sided games for sure but i feel the system is completely reasonable when it comes down to climbing rating especially if you're consistently playing at a level above the mmr you're at. i found myself winning games when i random my heroes as well for whatever reason and if you honestly care that much about it, just stick to playing a hero you're comfortable playing with. It could also be that since you're at 4K on average the players around you are likely to be sensible. It always feels like I get bad playuers while the other team gets good players. Funny enough though, I will play with certain players and they will feed (not in my lane) one game... then I'll get matched against them and they'll perform really well. It could be just faith that these players have their "bad game" whilst playing with me, but I don't understand why I'm getting them such a high percentage of time.... | ||
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phunnykidd
United States22 Posts
it says that 99%=4000mmr and 5%=1500mmr.. i believe this is backwards since high mmr is better and fewer ppl would have that. after finishing my placement matches for team mmr, i got 3k, then 1 game after, which i won, i got 2.5k, and my partner went from 3k to slightly higher. kinda weird lol, we played 5more games and went 4-1, im still 2.5k and hes like 3.1 kinda whacky!!! | ||
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