Ukraine Crisis - Page 97

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On March 01 2014 10:20 Cheerio wrote:
So can the mods explain to me why Crimean crisis does not deserve it's own thread? This is the beginning of something that can become the biggest conflict in Europe since Yugoslavia.

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On March 01 2014 09:37 zeonmx wrote:

People were talking about "nuclear war" when Russia invaded Gergia, too.

People just loves to bring out the words "nuclear war" in every Russia-related military/incidents/crisis.

On March 01 2014 09:55 m4ini wrote:


We both know that i wasn't talking about that. What i do know is that my personal enviroment wasn't talking about nuclear wars every time the US went ham on something (stupidity etc, hipocrisis, lies, yes, but not nuclear threats). With russia they do, for the simple fact that even bush seemed alot more reasonable than putin.

On March 01 2014 10:42 zeonmx wrote:

Actually I don't. And there is no reason for Russia to bring up nukes every time they bring up military. That is some cold-war era stuck logic. This is just Putin's plan of consolidating his power.

And no, Bush and Putin are two completely different animals. For one thing, Putin isn't someone else's bitch/puppet, unlike Bush. Bush lacks any influence to be a dick, unlike Putin.

On March 01 2014 10:43 LaNague wrote:
noone is nuking anything, russia even removed ammo from most of those "covert" army guys just to not have any risk of them firing in a heated situation.


and they certainly wont start a war with EU, war against germany, france AND UK is gg air superiority.

On March 01 2014 10:53 m4ini wrote:


That's why i said that even bush was more reasonable. Putin doesn't have "boundaries" other than those he imposes on himself.

The reason russias nukes come up everytime is because other than the USs nuclear arsenal, they are a real threat. Your last paragraph plays a big role in that.

On March 01 2014 10:55 zeonmx wrote:

So is China. But it's always the Ruskies when the word "nuke" shows up. Russia is just being Russia. They don't want a pro-west country right in front of their doorstep. And they aren't idiots to use nukes especially when their economy has been in a great standing so far. People are too ignorant about these facts.

On February 28 2014 21:05 radiatoren wrote:
In the long run Ukraine will get better results from calling UN and NATO even though Russia will try and smack that down. I can't believe that Putin is naive enough to think that this is a good idea. Btw. both Russia proper and the Black Sea fleet are denying any responsibility even though the people doing this are clearly Russian and military. Guess they are worried their fleet basing rights in Sevastopol is threatened by Ukraines leaders, but their international reputation will be torn even further... Yes, Crimea is mostly non-ukrainian and yes, they are seeking even further authonomy, but it is not Russias to take back!

On March 01 2014 09:55 m4ini wrote:


We both know that i wasn't talking about that. What i do know is that my personal enviroment wasn't talking about nuclear wars every time the US went ham on something (stupidity etc, hipocrisis, lies, yes, but not nuclear threats). With russia they do, for the simple fact that even bush seemed alot more reasonable than putin.

On March 01 2014 11:04 Feartheguru wrote:


Quoting this just to laugh in your face when it becomes clear how wrong you are at the end of this. So much wrong I can't even decide where to start.

1) The West promotes national self-determination through referendums all over the world, just not when it isn't convenient for them.

2) When an American friendly state in it's backyard faces a revolt (Guatemala, Panama, Chile is even more blatant than this,Cuba etc etc etc... list is too long why bother), army goes in high 5 bros job well done. When Russia faces the same situation in it's backyard, they can't even go into just the region with their ethical majority, imperialist commies! Hypocrisy at its finest.

3) UN cannot do anything when Russia is one of the permanent members of it's security council, even a verbal condemnation will be vetoed (This point alone shows how little you know)

4) NATO isn't going in to save Ukraine, don't delude yourself

5) Crimea will atleast become defacto independent through this (maybe annexation), wait and see who is the naive one.

6) Geopolitics isn't a middle school play ground, countries don't go "omg, you're so nice, we should be friends (lol)". Russia is extremely antagonized in the West already, there is virtually no foreign investment, Russia does not give a shit how this makes them look to the West. America has a terrible reputation in most of the world, does it care?

Random aside, going around the world toting democracy while supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected government (albeit corrupt) makes me incredibly incredibly sad. Second only to how easily people like you are mislead.

On March 01 2014 11:03 Slaughter wrote:
In some situations during the Cold War you could say that the USSR was more responsible in trying to avoid using nukes so I don't get the paranoia. I highly doubt any of the major 1st or 2nd world countries that have nukes would ever use them.

On March 01 2014 11:08 zeonmx wrote:

Thank you for this post. It's about time when people realizes Russia is basically doing samething what America has been doing in past decades in South America and various other regions. Remember Panama? Not a single countries in the west gave a shit when Panama was legitimately invaded by USA.

On March 01 2014 11:08 zeonmx wrote:

Thank you for this post. It's about time when people realizes Russia is basically doing samething what America has been doing in past decades in South America and various other regions. Remember Panama? Not a single countries in the west gave a shit when Panama was legitimately invaded by USA.

On March 01 2014 10:53 m4ini wrote:


That's why i said that even bush was more reasonable. Putin doesn't have "boundaries" other than those he imposes on himself.

The reason russias nukes come up everytime is because other than the USs nuclear arsenal, they are a real threat. Your last paragraph plays a big role in that.