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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 18 2014 01:04 GMT
#10881
On May 18 2014 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 07:49 Nyxisto wrote:
On May 18 2014 07:46 Undead1993 wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:
Yanukovychs own party disowned him.How are you supposed to stay in office after you order to shoot your own people.

you know that the new, not yet confirmed by the ukrainian population, gouvernment ordered soldiers to kill russian seperatists in the ukraine who after all also are "their own people".


I will agree that the way these military operations are executed is really questionable and that the Ukrainian forces are in bad condition, but if armed separatists are taking hostages and occupying buildings the government needs to react. That's what every country would have done in that situation. No country is going to accept people claiming new states on their territory by force.

didn't yanukovich need to react when the maidan was occupied by people for about 4 whole months


No. Maybe if they tortured people to death, took hostages and threatening to kill them, then we maybe could talk about going against protesters that "occupy" the town square.

Oh btw, you got the difference right without realizing it. It was occupied by people. Not heavily armed seperatists capable of shooting down one of the heaviest armored helicopters out there.

I'm blown away by the mental gymnastics people use to make a completely retarded argument.
On track to MA1950A.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
May 18 2014 01:26 GMT
#10882
[image loading]


In Kiev, an Israeli army vet led a street-fighting unit

Delta, a Ukraine-born former soldier in the Israel Defense Forces, spoke to JTA Thursday on condition of anonymity. He explained how he came to use combat skills he acquired in the Shu’alei Shimshon reconnaissance battalion of the Givati infantry brigade to rise through the ranks of Kiev’s street fighters.

He has headed a force of 40 men and women — including several fellow IDF veterans — in violent clashes with government forces.

By Cnaan LiphshizFebruary 28, 2014 1:30pm

source>>>
http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-opinion/world/in-kiev-an-israeli-militia-commander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives
ace hwaiting!!
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 02:18:09
May 18 2014 02:12 GMT
#10883
On May 18 2014 10:26 soujiro_ wrote:
[image loading]


In Kiev, an Israeli army vet led a street-fighting unit

Show nested quote +
Delta, a Ukraine-born former soldier in the Israel Defense Forces, spoke to JTA Thursday on condition of anonymity. He explained how he came to use combat skills he acquired in the Shu’alei Shimshon reconnaissance battalion of the Givati infantry brigade to rise through the ranks of Kiev’s street fighters.

He has headed a force of 40 men and women — including several fellow IDF veterans — in violent clashes with government forces.

By Cnaan LiphshizFebruary 28, 2014 1:30pm

source>>>
http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-opinion/world/in-kiev-an-israeli-militia-commander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives


As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.
“I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me ‘brother,’” he said. “What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.”

This guy is an actually very religious Jew, and he sides with the most radical political organization in Ukraine known for Judeophobia and far-right wing political ideology, which would already be stupid for anyone to do to side with Svoboda. He's a real clown. I don't understand him at all. I guess he likes the whole right-wing mentality like in Israel, so that may be his reasoning?

The article's from February, but I wonder if he's still involved, especially with Svoboda.

EDIT: Why are we discussing Maidan again? :S
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 18 2014 02:21 GMT
#10884
Since the only source, hint and whatever is JTA (every single other article points to JTA, not that there would be alot of them anyway)..

I'll take that with a grain of salt. To much conspiracybullshitpages as well if you google. There would be more to it if there's actually IDFs fighting for EuroMaidan. In fact, the first to publizise the JTA article would be svoboda-politicians, to counter the "fascist-argument".

I'll believe it if i see a bit more than that.
On track to MA1950A.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
May 18 2014 02:23 GMT
#10885
is haaretz good enough?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114
ace hwaiting!!
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 02:26:26
May 18 2014 02:25 GMT
#10886
On May 18 2014 11:21 m4ini wrote:
Since the only source, hint and whatever is JTA (every single other article points to JTA, not that there would be alot of them anyway)..

I'll take that with a grain of salt. To much conspiracybullshitpages as well if you google. There would be more to it if there's actually IDFs fighting for EuroMaidan. In fact, the first to publizise the JTA article would be svoboda-politicians, to counter the "fascist-argument".

I'll believe it if i see a bit more than that.

Actually, less conspiracybullshit than you may think.

Dude, JTA, Haaretz, etc. are radically pro-anything to do with Israel or Judaism. The last thing they'd do is create bullshit to defame a Ukrainian national who moved to Israel and lived there for a while and served in the Israeli army.

EDIT: Sniped by soujiro.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 02:26:34
May 18 2014 02:25 GMT
#10887
It's literally the same article copy & pasted, are you serious?

edit: @soujiro_
On track to MA1950A.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 02:27:41
May 18 2014 02:26 GMT
#10888
Redacted.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 18 2014 02:45 GMT
#10889
Hehe.. Just looked around a bit.

Interestingly, there's other sources. Dated 21st february.

Hmhmhm.

EuroMaidanPR, censor.net.ua..

Yeah, i'll definately stick with my huge bowl of salt.
On track to MA1950A.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 18 2014 12:03 GMT
#10890
On May 18 2014 03:59 nunez wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [old detective work] +
[image loading]

hey whaddayaknow. that's where, on hotel ukraine, monitor reported shots were coming from. man i'm good.

No, you are not. That was false information. An extensive report on the shield guy here


While searching for that video found another case of russian media lies, a bit outdated and only for German and Russian speakers
+ Show Spoiler +
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 12:15:55
May 18 2014 12:05 GMT
#10891
Ukrainian soldier/officer reports around 100 "terrorists" killed this night. Also said Russians are taking the bodies of their men, so there might be more. Near Slavyansk.
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 12:12:28
May 18 2014 12:11 GMT
#10892
In any grouping of 500,000 people you are going to have some random people from around the world. The fact that there were some Israeli's participating in Maidan just shows that it wasn't a fascist movement like Russia likes to claim.

I think this the main point of Maidan, and how it's different from the separatists in the East:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euromaidan_on_Maidan_Nezalezhnosti,_Kiev_2013-12-08.webm

5hh.gg
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21691 Posts
May 18 2014 12:12 GMT
#10893
On May 18 2014 21:05 Cheerio wrote:
Ukrainian soldier/officer reports around 100 "terrorists" killed this night. Also said Russians are taking the bodies of their men, so that might be more. Near Slavyansk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tspXpDQE9MA

seems unlike considering how little success the Ukraine army has had until now and a fight that kills over a 100 people would get a little more attention I believe Oo
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 18 2014 12:14 GMT
#10894
@cheerio
wrong. german monitor report posted earlier shows that shots came from the hotel.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 12:36:50
May 18 2014 12:26 GMT
#10895
On May 18 2014 21:11 Mc wrote:
In any grouping of 500,000 people you are going to have some random people from around the world. The fact that there were some Israeli's participating in Maidan just shows that it wasn't a fascist movement like Russia likes to claim.

I think this the main point of Maidan, and how it's different from the separatists in the East:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euromaidan_on_Maidan_Nezalezhnosti,_Kiev_2013-12-08.webm


Donetsk had a 600 pro-DNR meeting today.
[image loading]
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 18 2014 12:31 GMT
#10896
bloomberg lavrov interview:
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 18 2014 12:35 GMT
#10897
According to Donetsk news source OstroV they caught Russian media at another piece of lies.

Here Vesti shows "civilians killed near Slavyansk", at 4:45

then they say it was actually a footage from the same channel but shot 18.11.2012 while ATO in a region of Russia. They referenced the video but it looks like it became unavailable after the news came up.

http://www.ostro.org/general/politics/news/444843/
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 18 2014 12:39 GMT
#10898
On May 18 2014 21:14 nunez wrote:
@cheerio
wrong. german monitor report posted earlier shows that shots came from the hotel.

A german monitor report that proves the shield guy was shot from Hotel Ukraine? I'm listening.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 18 2014 12:47 GMT
#10899
huh?
read it for yourself. seems clear cut.
your 11 minute long home-made youtube video as 'an extensive report', hahaha.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
May 18 2014 12:50 GMT
#10900
'Monitor' is a german national tv late evening show, always about 'revealing truth'... Sometimes their reports are useful, sometimes they are just love crazy conspiracies.
They offer a nice inspiration to look deeper into certain things, but always trusting their interpretations is imho as wrong as always dismissing them as baseless.
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