Ukraine Crisis - Page 477

On May 03 2014 22:47 nunez wrote:
casualty count at 46.

rbc.ua

Rumors that the home building trade unions weapons were found, and that the dead were Russian and Transnistrian passport to the prosecutor's office did not confirm. "This is yet - the secret investigation. Now identified six people and all of them - residents of Odessa region, "- said the chief prosecutor of the regional prosecutor Eugene Vlasyuk.

On May 03 2014 23:07 zeo wrote:
After being told to stay indoors for their own safety a group of citizens go out onto the street to express their disgust at a column of Kiev troops entering their city:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1JIVBdBzXE

I think it shows the complexity of the situation in Ukraine right now. Maidan can send their troops into a city, but what then? The people will never bow to murderers.

@m4ini
Let's just say in the heat of the moment we both interprate each others words wrongly and misunderstandings arise.

@m4ini
Let's just say in the heat of the moment we both interprate each others words wrongly and misunderstandings arise.

On May 03 2014 18:20 promiseme wrote:
The amount of brainwashed Russia-hating ppl that ready to go kill russians is really quite astonishing in this topic. Western media doing its job. And all these ppl think that this is their own opinion. xD

Even this label they put "Pro-russian". In fact this ppl are pro-ukranian they defending their own land, freedom and families where they live. Also in english language there is no differense between "russian" (which can be called any russian-speaking slavic looking man) and rossianin (which is a russian citizen with passport). They unite these quite different terms under one "russian" label. So "pro-russian" means totaly different in english compared to russian. Like Odessa isnt pro-russian, its a russian city lol. In terms of nationality of majority ppl that live there. Well again english language...
Also ppl that believe that all protests againt new Kiev goverment are only organized by Russia and that all ukrains are actually support this new goverment, and its all evil Russia that does its special operations to confront Ukrain and take its territory. Ppl that thinks so arent clever to they the least .

On May 03 2014 23:16 nunez wrote:
@hzflank
i'm not sure i understand, what was being twisted? that quote is also in the rbc.ua article, but i don't see how nationality matters re:casualty count? mine was also google translated, so it's a bit awkward to read...

On May 03 2014 23:15 Mc wrote:
@zeo

Could you give a source for "all journalists are barred from entering Kramatorsk"?? I'm curious if this is true.

On May 03 2014 23:07 zeo wrote:
After being told to stay indoors for their own safety a group of citizens go out onto the street to express their disgust at a column of Kiev troops entering their city:

I think it shows the complexity of the situation in Ukraine right now. Maidan can send their troops into a city, but what then? The people will never bow to murderers.

@m4ini
Let's just say in the heat of the moment we both interprate each others words wrongly and misunderstandings arise.

On May 03 2014 23:07 zeo wrote:
After being told to stay indoors for their own safety a group of citizens go out onto the street to express their disgust at a column of Kiev troops entering their city:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1JIVBdBzXE

I think it shows the complexity of the situation in Ukraine right now. Maidan can send their troops into a city, but what then? The people will never bow to murderers.

@m4ini
Let's just say in the heat of the moment we both interprate each others words wrongly and misunderstandings arise.

On May 03 2014 23:36 nunez wrote:
@hzflank
no, i think you're misreading it. i think it says all the identified people are from odessa, which later is reported to be 6 from 'identified six people and all of them - residents of Odessa region'. the title is a bit clumsy, but i think that's due to google translate. their origins are relevant, but not so much in the context of a casualty count!

On May 03 2014 23:39 myminerals wrote:

Then young woman says "our guys are being shot there", so be it Russian troops or town militia, they shall be "our guys" for these ppl and this is the crucial part that neither EU nor USA prefer to see. I have not seen a single evidence of Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine so far. Why does Kiev together with EU/USA keep accusing Russia of interfering and supporting the uprising in the East? I am not defending Russia, it is that I don't see why I should accuse it of something.

On May 03 2014 23:51 Hundisilm wrote:


It's a bit of a stretch to say there is no evidence in my opinion - plenty of interviews and comments that imply it. Depends a bit on how you define evidence - it is true that there is nothing near to non-disbutable available to the public probably.

Even so - if there were no actual operators on the ground - they've made plenty clear that the people occupying buildings can not be touched or else.

It's a bit like having two friendly citizens of the world come up to you, one with a gun and the other with a stick. The one with the stick start beating you with their stick thing, and the other points a gun at you and says that if you hit back, bad things will happen to you. Equiped with a reasonable stick yourself, you probably wouldn't be that scared regarding the stick person, but the person holding the gun is probably somewhat problematic. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the gun-person is interfering with the situation?