Ukraine Crisis - Page 475

Odessa declares three-day mourning
ODESSA, May 3 (Itar-Tass) - Three-day mourning is declared in Odessa over Friday's tragic events, which took 41 lives, according to the information of the city council.
"May 3, 4 and 5 are declared mourning days," the council said in a statement on its website.
Ukrainian and Odessa flags with black ribbons will be lowered to half-mast on administrative buildings.

According to the updated information, hospitals received 123 people injured in clashes. Forty of them were hospitalized, including 17 in critical condition. Forty one people died.
On Friday evening, medical personnel in Odessa asked city residents to help save scores of injured people. First of all dressings and antibiotics were needed. Hospitals were short of them, said doctors at the city's first clinic, where injured people were taken.

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On May 03 2014 16:20 Ghanburighan wrote:
This isn't a response to Zeo, this is an exposition of why I don't respond to his posts. He responded to me specifically with this clearly antagonistic post in broken English, and it came a few posts after I posted this:
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What this shows is that he is ignoring facts, he is ignoring anything people post in this thread, he has a single agenda: to post pro-russia posts as often as possible, and as nastily as possible. There is no discussion possible with him, because he is not bound to facts, reason or even reading other people's posts. All it will accomplish to respond to him is to create filler for this thread so that actual facts and discussion is less likely. So, please, stop responding to him. And shame on anyone who is supporting this guy.

On May 03 2014 16:41 zeo wrote:
You seem to be missing the part where he deleted his original tweet and went into full damage control

https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK/status/462325050528387073/photo/1

On May 03 2014 16:44 sgtnoobkilla wrote:
Still no word from the Kremlin thus far on the situation.



Wasn't even responding to him either and he somehow spins it around to implying the need for Russian intervention immediately because he prefers more Ukrainians on both sides dying rather than waiting for elections...
I think a disclaimer needs to be added that warns of brain cell deterioration when reading his posts.

On May 03 2014 16:49 semantics wrote:

Do you have multiple sources confirming that's what happened.

Don't even need photoshop...

On May 03 2014 16:55 zeo wrote:

Here you go, page 469
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Actually wait, all his tweets are on his official twitter account, the monster didn't even have the slightest amount of human decency and delete them.

On May 03 2014 16:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
How does "horrible with at least 38 dead" translate to "those people deserved to die"?

On May 03 2014 17:02 semantics wrote:

That's not in question...You said he deleted tweets and went to damage control your page 496 has nothing confirming that happened

All i wanted you to do is actually visit the twitter page and notice nothing was deleted yet you actively crafted the narrative that he said something bad, got caught and deleted it because trying to give a tone of plotting and malcontent. Just wanted to point out how willing you're accepting random shit as fact without giving it a second thought.
But now that you noticed he didn't delete them you just decided to say he doesn't have the human decency to delete them. Amazing!

On May 03 2014 17:05 zeo wrote:

Yes of course, upon hearing that 38 people have died everyone's first reaction should be to downplay the involvement of the side we are supporting and insinuate it was the victims fault. I'm sure that's how a foreign minister should act.


Maybe you should read posts more carefully? If he had deleted them it would have shown that at least he realized how horrible his words were, this is much much worse...

On May 03 2014 17:05 zeo wrote:

Yes of course, upon hearing that 38 people have died everyone's first reaction should be to downplay the involvement of the side we are supporting and insinuate it was the victims fault. I'm sure that's how a foreign minister should act.

On May 03 2014 17:14 semantics wrote:

Good job don't even accept the fact you made something up, saying he deleted those posts. Deflect throw blame at my reading comprehension. You can't even accept that you made shit up.

You're right he should act more like the Russian foreign minister who blames everything on the U.S. And affirm all those rising up against Kiev are not puppets of Russia and all those in Kiev puppets of the U.S.

On May 03 2014 17:18 Feartheguru wrote:


Just like Kerry saying all those rising against Kiev are puppets of Russia and all those in Kiev are not puppets of the U.S. of course this is what they would say. Are you trying to imply Russia's foreign minister is doing something uniquely sinister?

On May 03 2014 17:16 Feartheguru wrote:
Just wanna point something out that'd becoming a little much in this thread.

1) Just because you are on a western forum and are part of the majority opinion does not mean you can assume your viewpoint is correct and the few who disagree are trolls
2) Repeatedly claiming someone to be an agent purposely spreading propaganda (*cough cough, you know who are you) while they are trying to voice their opinion is some real reddit level maturity

On May 03 2014 17:21 semantics wrote:

Not really just pointing out how low the bar is for what foreign ministers say, frankly those tweets are fairly innocuous compared to US and Russian statements. Plus just trying to get zeo to accept he just makes up random shit all day and never accepts he can be wrong when he gets called out on it. He just continuously changes his tone just throwing stuff out there hoping things stick. It's not a conversation when that happens it's just someone trying to make others accept their worldview.

On May 03 2014 17:28 Roman666 wrote:

1. They do not disagree - they twist facts and present it as their opinion.
2. They twist facts and present it as their opinion.

On May 03 2014 17:34 Feartheguru wrote:


There have been a couple things from Zeo that are completely wrong, but mostly his viewpoint from how I see it is exactly what I would expect from someone from a Russian point of view. In many ways Russia has been "wrong", but the West has been hypocritical through it all. Russia is doing what it's doing because the it considers what the West is doing as encroaching too close. An apt comparison would be the U.S. overthrowing the democratic government in Chile for a brutal dictator because it wouldn't let communism encroach so close. What Russia is doing now is "wrong" just like the U.S. was "wrong" then, but that's just geopolitics, and making it into a good vs evil narrative is a rather easy way to gather national popular sentiment. I have no access to Russian media but to Russians, they probably see the West as evil and them as good.

This thread has not been a conversation for a long time. It's just people circlejerking on Zeo, I'm not surprised he doesn't own up to the times he has been shown to be wrong when everyone is so hostile. I'm sure on a Russia forum the lone American is getting similarly berated. It'd be nice is everyone tried to look at thing from the other perspective instead of buying into the good vs evil narrative, but I guess that's too much to hope for even on TL.

On May 03 2014 16:52 zeo wrote:
Please quote where I said there is a need for an immediate Russian intervention.

On May 03 2014 16:20 zeo wrote:
Who is going to restore order? The people that came to power in a coup? The guys who fire and appoint high-court judges at will, who don't even controll their own police and army and have to resort to arming the thugs on the street?

On May 03 2014 16:20 zeo wrote:
the government that is funding the groups that murdered all those people yesterday is in any way capable of holding elections?

On May 03 2014 16:20 zeo wrote:
I wonder who the ten civilians killed last night in Kramatorsk by the maidan-controlled military are going to vote for.

On May 03 2014 16:52 zeo wrote:
What I said was expecting fair elections in a country where one side is rounding up political opponents and setting them on fire is just not going to happen.

On May 03 2014 17:16 Feartheguru wrote:
Just wanna point something out that'd becoming a little much in this thread.

1) Just because you are on a western forum and are part of the majority opinion does not mean you can assume your viewpoint is correct and the few who disagree are trolls
2) Repeatedly claiming someone to be an agent purposely spreading propaganda (*cough cough, you know who are you) while they are trying to voice their opinion is some real reddit level maturity

On May 03 2014 16:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
How does "horrible with at least 38 dead" translate to "those people deserved to die"?

On December 31 2013 21:16 zeo wrote:

The sad thing is that when you watch or read western media, a bomb attack and murder of Russian citizens on Russian soil by Jihadist groups gets characterized as an 'operation' by a 'militant/rebel' group. While on the other hand an American soldier getting blown up in occupied territory is a terrorist attack.