• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:22
CEST 19:22
KST 02:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b2IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!40Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Terran or Protoss
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10144 users

Ukraine Crisis - Page 426

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 424 425 426 427 428 577 Next
There is a new policy in effect in this thread. Anyone not complying will be moderated.

New policy, please read before posting:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21393711
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 12:11:41
April 16 2014 12:09 GMT
#8501
On April 16 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:
according to german media they swapped sides and deserted from the ukrainian army to join russian forces (source). so they are already on the sides of the separatists. the article states their reasons (no support from kiev, no wages, even no food) and it looks reasonable.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if this really was the cause for any of the defections.
Ukraine's military was suffering for the last few years and continues to experience the same problems that Russia went through in 90's to early 200X's (mind you Russia's military still hasn't fully recovered either).



EDIT: Damn, Ghan beat me to it.

Well, NATO is finally doing something for once that isn't an empty statement: existing troops stationed (not for Ukraine) in Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, and Latvia will be soon be backed up by additional reinforcements along their eastern borders. This also includes the planned surge in the number of aircraft being deployed for the Baltic air policing missions.

BRUSSELS: NATO CHIEF VOWS NEW DEPLOYMENT
The head of NATO says the alliance is strengthening its military footprint along its eastern border in response to Russia’s aggression in Ukraine.

Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said NATO will immediately deploy forces to the region. He says there will be “more planes in the air, mores ships on the water, more readiness on the land.”

But Rasmussen declined to specify how many troops or assets will be deployed, saying only it will be “enough” and more could be done if needed. He stresses the move is about “deterrence and de-escalation” in the face of Russia’s aggressive behaviour.

Source


Doorstep statement
by NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen following the meeting of the North Atlantic Council


.....

We have just taken further measures to respond to the crisis in Ukraine.
We agree that a political solution is the only way forward.
NATO fully supports the Geneva talks and all the efforts of the international community to find a political solution, which fulfils the democratic aspirations of the entire Ukrainian people and respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
We call on Russia to be part of the solution. To stop destabilising Ukraine, pull back its troops from the borders and make clear it doesn't support the violent actions of well armed militias of pro-Russian separatists.
Today, we agreed on a package of further military measures to reinforce our collective defence and demonstrate the strength of Allied solidarity.
We will have more planes in the air, more ships on the water, and more readiness on the land.
For example, air policing aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region. Allied ships will deploy to the Baltic Sea, the Eastern Mediterranean and elsewhere, as required. Military staff from Allied nations will deploy to enhance our preparedness, training and exercises. Our defence plans will be reviewed and reinforced.
We will start to implement these measures straight away. More will follow, if needed, in the weeks and months to come.

.....

Source


Also, the majority of Ukraine's remaining military assets will be relocating east in the meantime to bolster their eastern forces.
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
April 16 2014 12:13 GMT
#8502
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.
Dlash23
Profile Joined October 2012
Russian Federation38 Posts
April 16 2014 12:26 GMT
#8503
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22490 Posts
April 16 2014 12:27 GMT
#8504
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

Once again I ask you, What can Ukraine do? If they start shooting 'separatists' Russia invades and since those separatists are armed your unlikely to remove them without force.

Ukraine doesn't like getting fucked but Russia has put a gun to there face and is telling them to bend over while Europe keeps walking across the street trying to look the other way.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 12:37:24
April 16 2014 12:35 GMT
#8505
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.

Dlash23
Profile Joined October 2012
Russian Federation38 Posts
April 16 2014 12:47 GMT
#8506
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 12:51:40
April 16 2014 12:51 GMT
#8507
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 12:57:10
April 16 2014 12:55 GMT
#8508
On April 16 2014 21:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

Once again I ask you, What can Ukraine do? If they start shooting 'separatists' Russia invades and since those separatists are armed your unlikely to remove them without force.

Ukraine doesn't like getting fucked but Russia has put a gun to there face and is telling them to bend over while Europe keeps walking across the street trying to look the other way.

I in general agree and basically Russia has Ukraine by the balls and there isn't much it could have done about Crimea.

My main issue is that Ukraine (and the whole world knew) Russia might start problems in E. Ukraine also. Couldn't they have responded quicker rather than waiting almost a month to react (March 13th, 2 Ukrainians were killed during pro-Russia protestors in Donetsk)? They didn't need to send troops in at the time, but just have a fucking plan for what to do if they start occupying buildings, and maybe send in Ukrainian loyal police/riot-police (they still have some outside of Berkut?). Be prepared for a very probably situation so you can respond quickly rather than responding after 10 towns are partially occupied and the "protestors" have fortified themselves.

So the question is why they weren't prepared for this? Was it pro-Russians in the government/army sabotaging preparations or hiding information? Was it just general ineptitude? Something else?

It's just so frustrating to see this country whose people have fought so hard and even died for freedom from Russian control, squander their efforts... again (first time being Orange Revolution).

edit: There is still hope that democratic reforms will bring positive change, and that Ukraine will take care of the E. protests without lots of casualties or an outright Russian invasion... but my confidence wains the more time passes.
5hh.gg
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
April 16 2014 12:55 GMT
#8509
On April 16 2014 21:51 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?


please tell me where were Latvia and Estonia before 1917?
show me them on the map please
Pure fan
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
April 16 2014 12:58 GMT
#8510
On April 16 2014 21:55 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:51 mdb wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?


please tell me where were Latvia and Estonia before 1917?
show me them on the map please


lol what kind of logic is that?
Dlash23
Profile Joined October 2012
Russian Federation38 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 13:02:00
April 16 2014 13:00 GMT
#8511
On April 16 2014 21:51 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?

funny question, but I said it before that in my opinion Russia now holds protects their interests. (Eastern Ukraine traded only with Russia, and these products do not need anyone else)
and on the other hand, those who have invested in this revolution (most likely US) trying to get money back. And yet again this is beneficial to someone troubled region between EU and Russia
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11942 Posts
April 16 2014 13:17 GMT
#8512
On April 16 2014 21:55 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:51 mdb wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?


please tell me where were Latvia and Estonia before 1917?
show me them on the map please


You really don't get it, do you?

History is no valid reason for landgrabs. If you accept history as a valid reason for landgrabs, everyone can claim pretty much anything bordering you, which leads to a might makes right situation even moreso than we already have it, which usually tends to lead to a lot of wars. If you want a look at a system that accepts history as a reason to grab lands, take a look at europian history until 1945. Spoiler: You basically constantly have wars going on. If you now accept that wars are usually not good, then you realize that historical claims are not a good system to build upon.

For example, historically, germany could claim at least Austria, half of Poland, Alsace & Lorraine, parts of Denmark, and probably more. Large parts of germany could be claimed by italians, french, danes, and probably a lot of other people. Now, would it be reasonable to have an expansionist policy trying to get all that land back? Obviously not, it is retarded.

Also, you are only seeing the things that russia could claim. You might want to take a look at what someone else could claim of Russia. Depending on how far back you go, there might be some juicy pieces of land someone else might want. Take a look of some maps of russia in 1600 or something. Do you really want those borders back, and if not, who gets to choose which borders of which time are so wonderful that you need to go back to them?

My main point is: 19th century imperialist thinking is not a good thing to base your policies on.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 13:28:34
April 16 2014 13:27 GMT
#8513
On April 16 2014 21:55 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 21:51 mdb wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:47 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:35 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:26 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 21:13 Asymmetric wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:44 Dlash23 wrote:
On April 16 2014 20:37 Mc wrote:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
I am on the verge of giving up hope for Ukraine. Maybe Russia isn't in the wrong because Ukraine actually likes getting fucked in the ass. And Putin likes to put out.
p.s. I hope you got my pun

you prefer that Ukraine will be fucked by EU/US? =) Actually I don't know what is better for them...


Although I won't speak for them, I'm confident there is plenty of Pole's, Latvian's, Estonian's, etc who would despise the idea of ever being in Russia's "camp" again.

And who calls them? who need them?


Because many of them have lived under Moscow control and broken free of it.

The point is the idea of morale relativism between Russia and EU is preposterous.


I can understand the strategic reason that Russia needs eastern Ukraine (there are many plants that are cooperating with our military and space production). But it is necessary in these Baltic countries? Get unemployed and plants producing sprat?


So if there was something valuable for Russia in the Baltic countries it would be o.k. to grab some land?


please tell me where were Latvia and Estonia before 1917?
show me them on the map please

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Look closely.

edit: spoilered
On track to MA1950A.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
April 16 2014 13:33 GMT
#8514
it seems like you don't get it at all

world isn't what you were taught by your media, which are telling you that all want to be friends, USA is good etc.

it is King of the Hill game - the stronger you are, the more you are allowed to do
right now USA and their allies are Kings of the Hill - they can do (almost) everything they want
world is forced to use dollars and be "democratic" etc., they invade countries at will, destroy them to give their oil-resources (for example) uder control of US and Brit corporation
before that British Empire was the King of the Hill alone. It has half a world as colonies, where ppl worked for food for them
but there are other strong playes like China and Russia
those can and will do a lot too

and if Russia decides to take its land back it will take it

Also, you are only seeing the things that russia could claim. You might want to take a look at what someone else could claim of Russia.


they can try
Pure fan
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11942 Posts
April 16 2014 13:38 GMT
#8515
So you really, seriously want to go back to 19th century imperialism. Ok, i think i am done talking to you, i don't think i can reason with this much craziness.

Also, i think pretty much anything you wrote in your last post is utterly dislodged from reality.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 16 2014 13:39 GMT
#8516
I think Paleman finally made a worthwhile contribution to the thread. He demonstrated beyond doubt that behind all the justifications, pretty words, and obfuscating stories, or fear-mongering about fascism or whatnot, there lies the cold heart Russian mentality that might makes right: `if Russia decides to take its land back, it will take it.' And that's why people from all countries must unify against the threat of this mentality and force Russia to behave like a member of the international community does, because Russia will not do so itself, and we all know the consequences of allowing expansionist empires run amok.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 13:44:18
April 16 2014 13:42 GMT
#8517
On April 16 2014 22:38 Simberto wrote:
So you really, seriously want to go back to 19th century imperialism. Ok, i think i am done talking to you, i don't think i can reason with this much craziness.

Also, i think pretty much anything you wrote in your last post is utterly dislodged from reality.


Not just in his last post. Why do you think so many people in here refuse to "discuss" with him? We all had our share of PaleMans wisdoms. Even most of the other russian people in this thread shake their heads at him.

I think Paleman finally made a worthwhile contribution to the thread. He demonstrated beyond doubt that behind all the justifications, pretty words, and obfuscating stories, or fear-mongering about fascism or whatnot, there lies the cold heart Russian mentality that might makes right: `if Russia decides to take its land back, it will take it.'


That's extremely far fetched though. Even the other russian participants here don't take him serious, to take him "as an example for what's really going on in russia" is waaaay to convenient to make a point. I personally know a couple of russians (living in germany though, but born in russia) from my time in the army, and they all would piss their pants laughing after reading his crap.
On track to MA1950A.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 13:46:32
April 16 2014 13:46 GMT
#8518
Russian Journalist and author Arkadij Babtjenko wrote a piece in the swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter. Im sorry if the my translation from swedish to english is a bit sloppy but hopefully you can make sense of most of it.

+ Show Spoiler +
With troops on Ukrainian border the tone is sharpened also on the Russian home front. Author and journalist Arkady Babtjenko fought in Chechnya - now he is called a national traitor.

Hi, my name Arkady Arkadevitj Babtjenko. Thirty-seven years, college educated, married, father of one daughter.

When I was nineteen my homeland put boots on my feet, stuck a rifle in my hands, put me on a tank and said: "Go." So I went along. "The restoration of the constitutional order" - thats what the they called the war that time. When I was twenty, I went myself to the enlistment office and enlisted, voluntarily, in the army and went to war for the second time. " Anti-terrorist Operation" - as it was called from 1999. Participated 102 days in direct warfare, as it is called in my soldierbook.

During the two wars for my country, I received free transportation and two thousand rubles in coupons. Thanks for that.

My cousin, Sergei Babtjenko, was killed in Tajikistan. At the border. Some kids had been sent there as relief. And would immediately be sent out on a raid. He offered to take their place. They were about to arrest a gang that smuggled heroin. My cousin was the machine gunner . They killed him with a shot to the head. The only one who was killed in battle. By a sniper. Now his name is engraved in the memorial to the fallen soldiers from Bashkir, where he was born.

My father, Arkady Lavrentevitj Babtjenko, fired a rocket at the Cosmos. He was an engineer, worked at the Federal Technical Space Agency. Engineered cable masts for rockets. His last job was a cable mast to the space shuttle "Buran". Dad was away on business trips six consecutive months. In Baikonur, he lived in a dorm. And in Moscow in a two room apartment with wife, son, mother, brother and his family. That apartment was all we had. Nothing else. No car , no garage, no datja.

In the 90s, when the "Buran" project was discontinued after only one space flight, my father didnt begin to either barter nor steal. For stuff like that, he was absolutely incapable. He was born to launching rockets into space. And continued until his death to draw those cable masts, which they no longer needed. In almost total poverty.

He died of a stroke. 1996. When I was out in the war. We did not even say goodbye.

My grandfather, Lavrentij Petrovich Babtjenko, one hundred percent zaporogkosack, was a tank driver. Fought at Chalchin - Gol River. In 1939. Wounded thirty times. Once seriously. And the injuries broke him in the end - he died in 1980, when I was three.

His wife, Yelena Mikhailovna Kuptsova (by first husband, her maiden name I do not know because she hid it well - Jew, of course), served during the war on the rooftops putting out the fire bombs. When the opportunity presented itself, she never took the chance to travel outside of Russia. She worked all her life until she died. Handled the boiler. In our house, in the basement. Three days a week .

She died a few months after her son. Then I was still out in the war. I do not even know how they buried her.

My great- grandmother surnamed Bachtijarova (partly Tatar, oh yes) came to Moscow in the 30's. With her ​​two children, she received shelter in a boxroom at a school. There, she then came to work the rest of her life.

Her daughter, my grandmother, began working at age 14 and produced throughout the war iodoform - an antiseptic used in amputations. Then she joined the labor front and unloaded rail cars of coal. Or cut forest.

Her brother escaped at age 15 from the front during the first months of war and returned prior to 1956 - from Siberia.

Her grandson, my mother, traveled to Chechnya to fetch me home. She saw everything with their own eyes. She then adopted six children.

Mom is currently running an orphanage in her home. All children come from Lipetsk in central Russia. From broken families. Alcoholic parents, of course.

My wife's grandfather, Pyotr Gorkanov, pureblood Mordvin, fought during the Great Patriotic War with chemical weapons and lost his vision. Until his death he lived in the village. In a small house with a fireplace. Gas was not installed in his - the veterans, the invalids - lifetime.

My father in law, also pureblood Mordvin, served as second lieutenant in East Germany. When the Soviet Union collapsed, he, his wife and their two children sought shelter in various barracks and night shelters.

During all these nineteen years of adulthood - actually longer than that, from 1993 - I have taken all the shit together with my country. I was always where my country was in trouble. If it was at the White House, then I was there. In Chechnya , then I was there. In South Ossetia, then I was there. In Krymsk, then I was there. In Blagoveshchensk, yes, I was there too.

All this time I was, my family, my grandparents and relatives nothing but Russians for my country. When it was necessary to go to war at Chalchin - Gol, build rockets for very little pay, starved in cellars, produce iodoform to the front, stay overnight in the barracks with the kids, fall in Tajikistan, feed the lice in Chechnya, adopt abandoned children - then we were Russians.

In Chechnya, there was no one who ordered me to take my guns, go to Ukraine and get a identity crisis When you should die for the Russian homeland, the Russian homeland doesnt care if you are Jewish or not.

Then the homeland only knows a single nationality: cannon food.

That I should get to Ukraine I was told only recently.

By they who had never been out in a war, of course.

In the past couple of months I've heard more shit being said about me and my family than I've heard in my entire life.

On "Jewish fascist" Maidan, no one ever even came up with the idea to ask me about my nationality. Right sector, who fought shoulder to shoulder with the Russians, Jews, Crimean Tatars, Armenians, did not care. Simply did not care. It was not relevant.

But in my Homeland ...

The man for whose sake they started the second Chechen war, so that he would ascend to the throne, the man who himself never fought for his Motherland (he stayed far away from the Afghan war) and that since he came to power sends equally young conscripts instead of his own children to the wars which he now starts himself in Georgia and the Crimea, now this man tells me from the tribune, that I who voluntarily went out in his war, am a traitor, an enemy agent and a second rate person .

In my Homeland, I am now a Jew, a ukrainian son of a bitch, a fifth columnists and traitor to the nation.

Now tanks are moving against Slavjansk, armored vehicles against Kramatorsk, the "self- defense" has conquered three trucks with ammunition and a tank.

Okay, time to get moving again. Im going.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
April 16 2014 13:46 GMT
#8519
On April 16 2014 22:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
I think Paleman finally made a worthwhile contribution to the thread. He demonstrated beyond doubt that behind all the justifications, pretty words, and obfuscating stories, or fear-mongering about fascism or whatnot, there lies the cold heart Russian mentality that might makes right: `if Russia decides to take its land back, it will take it.' And that's why people from all countries must unify against the threat of this mentality and force Russia to behave like a member of the international community does, because Russia will not do so itself, and we all know the consequences of allowing expansionist empires run amok.


yeah yeah, Russia always starts wars all over the world and did that in the past...
It is/was the biggest world agressor ever!

oh wait, it not true... blame Russia anyway
Pure fan
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11942 Posts
April 16 2014 13:52 GMT
#8520
Irrelevant. Russia is the one starting a war and invading a country RIGHT NOW. Doesn't matter what others did in the past.
Prev 1 424 425 426 427 428 577 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 597
mouzHeroMarine 275
RushiSC 40
MindelVK 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4867
Shuttle 2392
Mini 396
firebathero 252
ggaemo 168
Soulkey 138
Sharp 69
Noble 67
BRAT_OK 62
Yoon 49
[ Show more ]
Hyun 47
soO 42
Shine 21
Rock 20
Dewaltoss 19
scan(afreeca) 18
Mong 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
Dota 2
qojqva2770
XcaliburYe388
Counter-Strike
fl0m2018
byalli1070
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0137
Mew2King68
Other Games
FrodaN2200
Beastyqt694
ceh9542
Grubby528
elazer351
ArmadaUGS149
XaKoH 76
QueenE58
Trikslyr49
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV168
StarCraft 2
angryscii 14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3554
League of Legends
• Nemesis3007
• TFBlade503
Other Games
• imaqtpie613
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 39m
The PondCast
16h 39m
Kung Fu Cup
17h 39m
Patches Events
22h 39m
Replay Cast
1d 15h
CrankTV Team League
1d 17h
OSC
1d 19h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-27
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.