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Cheerio
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![[image loading]](http://news.liga.net/upload/medialibrary/dcf/dcfd29a3e58c88cb30b4c58cd08f5594.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://news.liga.net/upload/resize_cache/iblock/b5b/380_230_2/b5bb9eaeb1862d286eafb1f7b6bf1ce5.jpg) About Kramatorsk. Todays reports are that the military airport was under army's protection, but a it was under attack which got repelled. No losses from the defenders side. The aircrafts were set in the air since they didn't want to risk those being captured so they were flying around, over Kramatorsk as well. Edit: there might be a misunderstanding about airports near Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
Edited footage: Real footage: | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
Earlier the mayor of the town, who previously supported the separatists, asked people not to participate in unlawful actions after separatists decided to have their own self-proclaimed mayor of Slavyansk. | ||
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Mc
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On April 16 2014 01:07 sgtnoobkilla wrote: So much for those reports of a Ukrainian SU-25 getting shot down. Looks like Russian media sources just edited footage from an FSA video showing them gunning down a Syrian Air Force jet... Edited footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=YOmAOJNmbiY Real footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=vGC_xHUzzM8 What reports? Both links lead to basically the same video. And in neither they are speaking Russian. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Simberto
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accela
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Deleted User 137586
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On April 16 2014 02:12 accela wrote: soooo, the same army that few days ago was killing civilians protesting at Kiev are now attacking protesters again, but somehow back then they were the bad guys but now it's ok-ish to do so? heh... a) The Ukrainian army wasn't involved in the violence at Euromaidan. b) There is plenty of evidence that these are not protesters but rather people attacking government buildings with weapons used by Russian special forces, under the direction of Russian military and intelligence officials. - A tad bit different from shooting at unarmed protesters... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On April 16 2014 02:12 accela wrote: soooo, the same army that few days ago was killing civilians protesting at Kiev are now attacking protesters again, but somehow back then they were the bad guys but now it's ok-ish to do so? heh... Considering every single point in that post is wrong im going to say, bother reading up on the situation or dont bother posting. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On April 16 2014 02:06 Simberto wrote: I highly doubt that. It is not like this is some genius secret strategy that noone knows about. Everyone knows what is going on. It won't change things very much right now but having actual Russian soldiers as prisoners could become a big bargaining chip for Kiev. | ||
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accela
Greece314 Posts
On April 16 2014 02:17 Ghanburighan wrote: a) The Ukrainian army wasn't involved in the violence at Euromaidan. b) There is plenty of evidence that these are not protesters but rather people attacking government buildings with weapons used by Russian special forces, under the direction of Russian military and intelligence officials. - A tad bit different from shooting at unarmed protesters... a)ok, "ukrainian security forces" better? ^^ b)there are plenty of footage with protesters at Kiev, mostly the fascist groups that were armed. BTW it's extremely funny this "a la carte" ethnicity that (western) media provide. Back to the Kosovo it was just "the albanians", now you will hear about "russian speaking people" or "people with russian ancestry"and so on. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On April 16 2014 02:36 accela wrote: a)ok, "ukrainian security forces" better? ^^ b)there are plenty of footage with protesters at Kiev, mostly the fascist groups that were armed. BTW it's extremely funny this "a la carte" ethnicity that (western) media provide. Back to the Kosovo it was just "the albanians", now you will hear about "russian speaking people" or "people with russian ancestry"and so on. not sure what you mean by a la carte ethnicity, in kosovo and the larger post-yugoslavia break-up conflicts with the western media it was the croats, the bosnians, the serbs, the kosovars, the albanians, etc., it wasn't just "the albanians." western media didn't pick out random ethnicities in the region and identify them erroneously or to the exclusion of all the others or anything. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On April 16 2014 02:47 DeepElemBlues wrote: not sure what you mean by a la carte ethnicity, in kosovo and the larger post-yugoslavia break-up conflicts with the western media it was the croats, the bosnians, the serbs, the kosovars, the albanians, etc., it wasn't just "the albanians." western media didn't pick out random ethnicities in the region and identify them erroneously or to the exclusion of all the others or anything. i think he is implying that western media - when it "suited them" - called ethnic Albanians from Serbia just that (Albanians), while now with Russians from Ukraine, they speak of "russian speaking people" instead of calling them for what they are ethnicly... i presume his point would be that the media in a way legitimized Kosovo's claim for independence by openly acknowledging its people are in fact not Serbian, and now they are doing the exact opposite by trying to portrait the people in Crimea that seek the same level of independence as something they are not... edit: i find it fascinating that pro-putin people in this thread arrive mostly from orthodox countries, i seriously didnt expect that to be an issue in 2014 | ||
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Gorsameth
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Deleted User 137586
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On April 16 2014 02:36 accela wrote: a)ok, "ukrainian security forces" better? ^^ b)there are plenty of footage with protesters at Kiev, mostly the fascist groups that were armed. BTW it's extremely funny this "a la carte" ethnicity that (western) media provide. Back to the Kosovo it was just "the albanians", now you will hear about "russian speaking people" or "people with russian ancestry"and so on. (a) That's a pretty huge difference, btw. Berkut was and remains under Yanukovich's and thus Russia's control. (b.1) You can't just throw such accusations out there. I dare you to find footage of armed protesters in Kyiv trying to take over buildings before the violent crack-down by Berkut. (b.2) You miss the point. Those protesters aren't protesters, they are Russian special forces, i.e., an invading force. You're supposed to send your army against an invading force. (c) A quick review of my twitter feed tells me that every Western journalist on a few pages refers to Pro-Russia [protesters/separatists/armed rebels/troops/forces]. I don't know what you're complaining about. The only ones referring to russian speakers is MFA Russia, as they have their compatriot policy. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On April 16 2014 03:18 snailz wrote: I have seen this not only in this thread but on various youtube videos I've watched of other issues too. Serbs + Greeks are the first ones to rally towards a pro-Russian pov. edit: i find it fascinating that pro-putin people in this thread arrive mostly from orthodox countries, i seriously didnt expect that to be an issue in 2014 Then its various leftists from the West who are still in the old mentality of USA = Russia, but worse. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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The United States is giving its tacit support to Ukrainian military action against pro-Russian separatists. White House spokesman Jay Carney says such action isn't the preferred option, but that the Ukrainian government has to respond to what he says is an untenable situation. In the first Ukrainian military action against a pro-Russian uprising in the east, the government said special forces on Tuesday recaptured a small airport that had been occupied by militiamen. Ukraine's acting president had earlier announced an "anti-terrorist operation" against insurgents who have seized control of numerous buildings in the country's east. Carney says the Ukrainian government has to respond because of its responsibility to maintain law and order. The U.S. continues to support economic and diplomatic efforts to reduce tensions between Russia and Ukraine. Source. Edit: I guess Russia is starting to regret not being able to close off the entirety of Ukraine to journalists, and UN and OSCE observers. | ||
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