Sashko Bilyy (Aleksandr Musychko), a prominent UNA-UNSO member and Right Sector coordinator in Western Ukraine, has been shot dead under suspicious circumstances. He was known for his extreme methods and thus was probably the most contradicting figure among all of Right Sector during Euromaidan events.
This is what wikipedia has to say about it
On 24 March 2014 Oleksandr Muzychko was shot dead. There are conflicting stories about how this happened.[12] According to Ukrainian MP Oles Doniy,[12] a group of unknown armed people arrived on three Volkswagen minivans and kidnapped Muzychko and five other people from a cafe near Rivne. They murdered Muzychko behind the cafe by two gunshots to the heart.[13][source needs translation][2][14][source needs translation] In another telling of Doniy's account, a group of attackers forced Muzychko to stop his car, pulled him from it, handcuffed him and shot him.[15][16] According to the interior ministry of Ukraine, Muzychko died in a shoot-out with police in a cafe in Rivne. According to the ministry, the police raided the cafe to arrest Muzychko, but he opened fire while he tried to flee. He was shot when the police returned fire. The police were able to capture him and three others, but by the time the paramedics had arrived at the scene, he had died.[12][17] On 25 March, police stated that Muzychko had shot himself.[18] Reacting to news of the shooting, Dmytro Yarosh, leader of Right Sector, called for the resignation of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and the arrest of the police who had come for Muzychko.[18]
(Reuters) - The economic impact of annexing Crimea from Ukraine could drive Russia into a sharp recession this year even if the West stops short of trade sanctions, the World Bank warned on Wednesday.
The gloomy assessment, far more negative than Russian government forecasts, came on a day when U.S. President Barack Obama was meeting European Union and NATO leaders to discuss how to reduce Europe's dependence on Russian energy and bolster NATO defenses of east European allies bordering Russia and Ukraine.
Obama and leaders of the Group of Seven major industrialized nations agreed this week to hold off on tougher economic sanctions unless President Vladimir Putin takes further action to destabilize Ukraine or other former Soviet republics.
Western concern has focused on Russian troops massed on Ukraine's eastern border amid Kremlin allegations of attacks on Russian speakers in that industrial region of the country.
But Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Wednesday it seemed likely that the firm Western response so far would stop Russia undertaking what he called "other acts of aggression and interference on the territory of Ukraine".
A World Bank report on the Russian economy, compiled before the most recent evidence of the scale of capital flight, made clear Moscow was already set to pay a significant price in lost growth due to the most serious East-West confrontation since the end of the Cold War.
Gross domestic product (GDP) could contract by as much as 1.8 percent in 2014 if the crisis persists, it said. That high-risk forecast assumes that the international community would still refrain from trade sanctions.
A telephone discussion between Tymoshenko and Nestor Shufrych (MP, Party of Regions, long-term Yanukovich ally, abandoned him after the latest events) has leaked out. Tymoshenko confirmed that most of the discussion was real, except for the part where 8 millions of Russians in Ukraine "should be killed with nuclear weapons", which was falsified she claimed.
The main point of the discussion is that Russian aggression has united many political opponents in Ukraine and there is strong hatred for Russia and Putin on all levels of Ukrainian society.
On March 26 2014 23:24 crazyweasel wrote: yep freedom of speech stops when you're speech is filled with hatred - which is why in most countries extreme right(neo-nazis, skinheads and such) speech is banned
Actually hate speech is quite protected in the US, it's what US laws around freedom of speech revolve around. The idea that unpleasant and hateful speech can't be banned by the government. What is banned is speech that incites panic without reason and calls for violence, threats.
On March 26 2014 23:24 crazyweasel wrote: yep freedom of speech stops when you're speech is filled with hatred - which is why in most countries extreme right(neo-nazis, skinheads and such) speech is banned
Actually hate speech is quite protected in the US, it's what US laws around freedom of speech revolve around. The idea that unpleasant and hateful speech can't be banned by the government. What is banned is speech that incites panic without reason and calls for violence, threats.
>> calls for violence, threats. That's basically what extremism is.
Russia’s willingness to violate Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty is the gravest challenge to the European order in over half a century. The conflict pits a vast nuclear power against a state equal in size to France, an autocratic regime against a revolutionary government. The Russian intervention in Ukraine raises questions about the security guarantees that the West made to Ukraine after the country gave up its nuclear weapons in 1994, and it flies in the face of many Europeans’ belief that, in recent years, a continental war has become all but impossible. The end result may be the emergence of a third Russian empire or a failed Ukrainian state at the center of Europe.
Russia’s aggression in Ukraine should not be understood as an opportunistic power grab. Rather, it is an attempt to politically, culturally, and militarily resist the West. Russia resorted to military force because it wanted to signal a game change, not because it had no other options. Indeed, it had plenty of other ways to put pressure on Kiev, including through the Russian Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol, the Ukrainian city in which the force is based; playing with gas prices; demanding that Ukraine start paying off its government debt to Russia; and drumming up anti-Ukrainian sentiment among Ukraine’s sizeable Russian population. Further, senior American figures had already noted that the Ukrainian crisis could not be solved without Russia, and European leaders had expressed their unhappiness about a new (and unfortunate) law that Ukraine’s transitional government passed soon after it was formed, which degraded the status of the Russian language. In other words, resorting to force was unnecessary. Source
On March 26 2014 14:58 Sub40APM wrote: Is this true, that if you call for return of Crimea back to Ukraine you are liable to go to jail for up 5 years due to the new anti-secessionist law Putin amended into the criminal code of the Russian Federation?
And here is a website, titled "traitors" against anyone who spoke out against Russian action...because "The battle against neo-fascism must not be criticized, no matter how talented of a person you are" http://predatel.net/
They just added Crimea to region list in article 280, that's it. It's not completely new law, but i'm yet to see someone being jailed for it and not 282.
282 is just extremism and stuff, if people are curious.
I will never understand all those Russian laws against the freedom of expression and the widespread support for it. Do the Russians think of their own people as so weak-minded that they can't handle a differing opinion (without getting convinced by it)?
What is wrong with being punished for extremism? Before saying that "Russians think of their own people as so weak-minded that they can't handle a differing opinion", just think about it. Freedom of expression, like fucking seriously. If you could, you would have dance with swastikas, killing Jewish guy in oven, like honestly? That's the freedom of expression which you want to have? I'm exaggerating a bit, but that's things basically, for which you can be punished with 282.
We're not speaking about thing that cops like to use 282 more than they can, anyway people outside of Russia have no idea.
Okay I just read the passage in the Russian Criminal Code and it seems more harmless than I thought, as long as "forcible" is interpreted in the strictest sense. So thanks for enlightening me.
On March 26 2014 23:24 crazyweasel wrote: yep freedom of speech stops when you're speech is filled with hatred - which is why in most countries extreme right(neo-nazis, skinheads and such) speech is banned
Actually hate speech is quite protected in the US, it's what US laws around freedom of speech revolve around. The idea that unpleasant and hateful speech can't be banned by the government. What is banned is speech that incites panic without reason and calls for violence, threats.
>> calls for violence, threats. That's basically what extremism is.
Well the old section in Russian said this:
. Публичные призывы к осуществлению экстремистской деятельности - наказываются штрафом в размере до трехсот тысяч рублей или в размере заработной платы или иного дохода осужденного за период до двух лет, либо принудительными работами на срок до трех лет, либо арестом на срок от четырех до шести месяцев, либо лишением свободы на срок до трех лет с лишением права занимать определенные должности или заниматься определенной деятельностью на тот же срок.
But the new section adds to the definition of 'calls to extreme action' the definition of 'calling for the violation of territorial integrity of Russia' so if I say 'I demand you give back Crimea' how is that not a violation of 280.1?
On March 26 2014 14:58 Sub40APM wrote: Is this true, that if you call for return of Crimea back to Ukraine you are liable to go to jail for up 5 years due to the new anti-secessionist law Putin amended into the criminal code of the Russian Federation?
And here is a website, titled "traitors" against anyone who spoke out against Russian action...because "The battle against neo-fascism must not be criticized, no matter how talented of a person you are" http://predatel.net/
They just added Crimea to region list in article 280, that's it. It's not completely new law, but i'm yet to see someone being jailed for it and not 282.
282 is just extremism and stuff, if people are curious.
I will never understand all those Russian laws against the freedom of expression and the widespread support for it. Do the Russians think of their own people as so weak-minded that they can't handle a differing opinion (without getting convinced by it)?
What is wrong with being punished for extremism? Before saying that "Russians think of their own people as so weak-minded that they can't handle a differing opinion", just think about it. Freedom of expression, like fucking seriously. If you could, you would have dance with swastikas, killing Jewish guy in oven, like honestly? That's the freedom of expression which you want to have? I'm exaggerating a bit, but that's things basically, for which you can be punished with 282.
We're not speaking about thing that cops like to use 282 more than they can, anyway people outside of Russia have no idea.
Okay I just read the passage in the Russian Criminal Code and it seems more harmless than I thought, as long as "forcible" is interpreted in the strictest sense. So thanks for enlightening me.
On March 26 2014 23:24 crazyweasel wrote: yep freedom of speech stops when you're speech is filled with hatred - which is why in most countries extreme right(neo-nazis, skinheads and such) speech is banned
Actually hate speech is quite protected in the US, it's what US laws around freedom of speech revolve around. The idea that unpleasant and hateful speech can't be banned by the government. What is banned is speech that incites panic without reason and calls for violence, threats.
>> calls for violence, threats. That's basically what extremism is.
. Публичные призывы к осуществлению экстремистской деятельности - наказываются штрафом в размере до трехсот тысяч рублей или в размере заработной платы или иного дохода осужденного за период до двух лет, либо принудительными работами на срок до трех лет, либо арестом на срок от четырех до шести месяцев, либо лишением свободы на срок до трех лет с лишением права занимать определенные должности или заниматься определенной деятельностью на тот же срок.
But the new section adds to the definition of 'calls to extreme action' the definition of 'calling for the violation of territorial integrity of Russia' so if I say 'I demand you give back Crimea' how is that not a violation of 280.1?
It is. To clarify.
. Для целей настоящего Федерального закона применяются следующие основные понятия: 1) экстремистская деятельность (экстремизм): насильственное изменение основ конституционного строя и нарушение целостности Российской Федерации; публичное оправдание терроризма и иная террористическая деятельность; возбуждение социальной, расовой, национальной или религиозной розни; пропаганда исключительности, превосходства либо неполноценности человека по признаку его социальной, расовой, национальной, религиозной или языковой принадлежности или отношения к религии; нарушение прав, свобод и законных интересов человека и гражданина в зависимости от его социальной, расовой, национальной, религиозной или языковой принадлежности или отношения к религии; воспрепятствование осуществлению гражданами их избирательных прав и права на участие в референдуме или нарушение тайны голосования, соединенные с насилием либо угрозой его применения; воспрепятствование законной деятельности государственных органов, органов местного самоуправления, избирательных комиссий, общественных и религиозных объединений или иных организаций, соединенное с насилием либо угрозой его применения; совершение преступлений по мотивам, указанным в пункте "е" части первой статьи 63 Уголовного кодекса Российской Федерации; пропаганда и публичное демонстрирование нацистской атрибутики или символики либо атрибутики или символики, сходных с нацистской атрибутикой или символикой до степени смешения, либо публичное демонстрирование атрибутики или символики экстремистских организаций; (в ред. Федерального закона от 25.12.2012 N 255-ФЗ) (см. текст в предыдущей редакции) публичные призывы к осуществлению указанных деяний либо массовое распространение заведомо экстремистских материалов, а равно их изготовление или хранение в целях массового распространения; публичное заведомо ложное обвинение лица, замещающего государственную должность Российской Федерации или государственную должность субъекта Российской Федерации, в совершении им в период исполнения своих должностных обязанностей деяний, указанных в настоящей статье и являющихся преступлением; организация и подготовка указанных деяний, а также подстрекательство к их осуществлению; финансирование указанных деяний либо иное содействие в их организации, подготовке и осуществлении, в том числе путем предоставления учебной, полиграфической и материально-технической базы, телефонной и иных видов связи или оказания информационных услуг; (п. 1 в ред. Федерального закона от 24.07.2007 N 211-ФЗ)
So basically every violation of at least one line from this quote is punished by 280/282.
Poor people. Seems like Ukraine's government finally thought about their debt to Gazprom.
What does that article say in English.
Price for gas for people will have +50% after May, 1 and rates for thermal energy will have +40% after July, 1 because Ukraine want to make prices being economically justified before 2018.
Poor people. Seems like Ukraine's government finally thought about their debt to Gazprom.
What does that article say in English.
Price for gas for people will have +50% after May, 1 and rates for thermal energy will have +40% after July, 1 because Ukraine want to make prices being economically justified before 2018.
The normalisation of the gas price was part of the IMF deal, which I imagine is what they have started implementing. The austerity has begun and it will get worse when more of the pension reforms start to hit. On the other hand, they will avoid a bankrupcy because of the loans they are getting and be less dependant on Russias gas-pricing games and CIS sanctions. I am not saying Ukraine can survive without improving some of the relations with Russia, though.
Poor people. Seems like Ukraine's government finally thought about their debt to Gazprom.
What does that article say in English.
Price for gas for people will have +50% after May, 1 and rates for thermal energy will have +40% after July, 1 because Ukraine want to make prices being economically justified before 2018.
Lol im sure that's going to go over well in the east and south.
On March 26 2014 23:24 crazyweasel wrote: yep freedom of speech stops when you're speech is filled with hatred - which is why in most countries extreme right(neo-nazis, skinheads and such) speech is banned
Actually hate speech is quite protected in the US, it's what US laws around freedom of speech revolve around. The idea that unpleasant and hateful speech can't be banned by the government. What is banned is speech that incites panic without reason and calls for violence, threats.
>> calls for violence, threats. That's basically what extremism is.
Well the old section in Russian said this:
. Публичные призывы к осуществлению экстремистской деятельности - наказываются штрафом в размере до трехсот тысяч рублей или в размере заработной платы или иного дохода осужденного за период до двух лет, либо принудительными работами на срок до трех лет, либо арестом на срок от четырех до шести месяцев, либо лишением свободы на срок до трех лет с лишением права занимать определенные должности или заниматься определенной деятельностью на тот же срок.
But the new section adds to the definition of 'calls to extreme action' the definition of 'calling for the violation of territorial integrity of Russia' so if I say 'I demand you give back Crimea' how is that not a violation of 280.1?
. Для целей настоящего Федерального закона применяются следующие основные понятия: 1) экстремистская деятельность (экстремизм): насильственное изменение основ конституционного строя и нарушение целостности Российской Федерации; публичное оправдание терроризма и иная террористическая деятельность; возбуждение социальной, расовой, национальной или религиозной розни; пропаганда исключительности, превосходства либо неполноценности человека по признаку его социальной, расовой, национальной, религиозной или языковой принадлежности или отношения к религии; нарушение прав, свобод и законных интересов человека и гражданина в зависимости от его социальной, расовой, национальной, религиозной или языковой принадлежности или отношения к религии; воспрепятствование осуществлению гражданами их избирательных прав и права на участие в референдуме или нарушение тайны голосования, соединенные с насилием либо угрозой его применения; воспрепятствование законной деятельности государственных органов, органов местного самоуправления, избирательных комиссий, общественных и религиозных объединений или иных организаций, соединенное с насилием либо угрозой его применения; совершение преступлений по мотивам, указанным в пункте "е" части первой статьи 63 Уголовного кодекса Российской Федерации; пропаганда и публичное демонстрирование нацистской атрибутики или символики либо атрибутики или символики, сходных с нацистской атрибутикой или символикой до степени смешения, либо публичное демонстрирование атрибутики или символики экстремистских организаций; (в ред. Федерального закона от 25.12.2012 N 255-ФЗ) (см. текст в предыдущей редакции) публичные призывы к осуществлению указанных деяний либо массовое распространение заведомо экстремистских материалов, а равно их изготовление или хранение в целях массового распространения; публичное заведомо ложное обвинение лица, замещающего государственную должность Российской Федерации или государственную должность субъекта Российской Федерации, в совершении им в период исполнения своих должностных обязанностей деяний, указанных в настоящей статье и являющихся преступлением; организация и подготовка указанных деяний, а также подстрекательство к их осуществлению; финансирование указанных деяний либо иное содействие в их организации, подготовке и осуществлении, в том числе путем предоставления учебной, полиграфической и материально-технической базы, телефонной и иных видов связи или оказания информационных услуг; (п. 1 в ред. Федерального закона от 24.07.2007 N 211-ФЗ)
So basically every violation of at least one line from this quote is punished by 280/282.
Most people here don't speak russian, so a large amount of cyrillic letters is not exceedingly informative.
If i understand your post correctly, it is now illegal in russia to say that Crimea should not be russian, and you are fine with that?
Jesus, did I miss somewhere that Russia became a developed country? Russia's an interesting case. They are still "developed" in some attributes of a typical developed country, but thanks to Murphy's Law in regards to the Russian economy during the 1990s, it's far and away from having the wealth of a developed country.
Interesting read (your link). Yeah this isn't a good year, but it also says this: "The Russian market is forecast to decline by up to 5 percent in 2013, but Boston Consulting said the market will overcome its current slump and grow at an average of 6 percent annually through 2020 to become the largest in Europe – and the fifth biggest globally - by 2020", which is what I stated :S.[
Russia is expected to be the biggest automaker in Europe by the end of the decade at the latest.
That's what you stated, that's why i said that it's not true. Automarket != automaker. You can't build/sustain a country solely on imports though, greece being a nice example.
Also, yes I realize VW makes money off that, any company makes money from investing in other countries, but you also know that investment into other countries benefits them too, right? That along with all the other sorts of investment is how most developing countries grow economically. Like you know that India has a well-developing tech sector (especially in Bangalore) largely due to huge-scale investment from American and other tech corporations? If we hadn't done that, I highly doubt they'd have an IT sector to speak of. Some people say this is giving Microsoft, Intel, etc. and US overall more power, etc.. That's irrelevant. I think India is significantly better off in practically every way because we practically built for them what they consider nowadays to be one of their most important assets, and our corporate branches there are the mecca of that.
Can't talk about india, no idea in that regard. Obviously creating jobs in russia helps russia, but they already stated that if proper economic sanctions will hit (which we're assuming in this "bubble"), they will seize those assets (afaik they put a law up already for that). Meaning, no moneys flowing in, since obviously VW (and other western companies) would not pay their bills in that case.
And my apologies, I thought I'd join in on the trend of sarcastic satirical comments in this thread. It was a silly joke on my part, but my apologies regardless. In actuality, I'm friendly with Germany, don't worry My only gripe with them is that their beer industry almost exclusively produces lagers and not ales heh.
Weizenbier/Weissbier > everything. Apart from that, thanks and np.
Believe it or not, I saw a few articles say "automaker", then I got curious when I saw your post and also found some saying "automarket". Such inconsistency. So far, VW is not changing plans with their investment in Russia. Speaking of trade, Russia has pretty favorable trade surplus, albeit much of that exporting is from the energy industry. I don't think they will end up like Greece.
Poor people. Seems like Ukraine's government finally thought about their debt to Gazprom.
What does that article say in English.
Price for gas for people will have +50% after May, 1 and rates for thermal energy will have +40% after July, 1 because Ukraine want to make prices being economically justified before 2018.
That's a colossal price hike. I think we should expect some unrest over this.
Russia’s willingness to violate Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty is the gravest challenge to the European order in over half a century. The conflict pits a vast nuclear power against a state equal in size to France, an autocratic regime against a revolutionary government. The Russian intervention in Ukraine raises questions about the security guarantees that the West made to Ukraine after the country gave up its nuclear weapons in 1994, and it flies in the face of many Europeans’ belief that, in recent years, a continental war has become all but impossible. The end result may be the emergence of a third Russian empire or a failed Ukrainian state at the center of Europe.
Russia’s aggression in Ukraine should not be understood as an opportunistic power grab. Rather, it is an attempt to politically, culturally, and militarily resist the West. Russia resorted to military force because it wanted to signal a game change, not because it had no other options. Indeed, it had plenty of other ways to put pressure on Kiev, including through the Russian Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol, the Ukrainian city in which the force is based; playing with gas prices; demanding that Ukraine start paying off its government debt to Russia; and drumming up anti-Ukrainian sentiment among Ukraine’s sizeable Russian population. Further, senior American figures had already noted that the Ukrainian crisis could not be solved without Russia, and European leaders had expressed their unhappiness about a new (and unfortunate) law that Ukraine’s transitional government passed soon after it was formed, which degraded the status of the Russian language. In other words, resorting to force was unnecessary. Source
I must agree, very interesting, and think true on most parts.
When was there massive investment pull-out from Russia?
I never said there was, try reading it again. The word "massive" did not appear anywhere. I said pulling investment out or threatening to. And when was there some capital flight from Russia?
Deteriorating confidence has already led investors to transfer massive sums outside Russia. The Economy Ministry estimates net capital outflow at up to $70 billion in the first quarter alone, compared with $63 billion in the whole of last year.
I'm sure all of that money was just sitting in Russian banks and none of it was being invested.
It's so unfortunate when people can't comprehend what they read and have to invent things to respond to.
EPT
