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Deleted User 183001
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On March 19 2014 12:50 r.Evo wrote: Basically what the law makes illegal is walking up to a minor that doesn't identify as LGBT and be like "Yo, what do you think about having sex with a man/woman? I think it's something you should try sometime!" Cliff notes from the article: + Show Spoiler + 1. The law never mentions or uses the word gay, lesbian, homosexual or any other LGBT identifier. [Chapter 2 & Appendix] 2. The law focuses on children, it’s title is “On Protections of Minors from Propaganda of Non-Traditional Sexual Relations”. The messaging and strategy to bring the ban on propaganda from the law of several regions to national laws is part of a larger family values push and is based on the successful anti-same sex marriage push in the United States. [Chapter 2] 3. Russia is actually expanding protections of members of the LGBT community: On September 20, 2013 the official delegation of the Russia Federation announced their willingness to take all required measures to prevent homophobic hate crimes and discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation at the 24th UN Human Rights Council. [Chapter 2] 4. There have been regional (much harsher) versions of the propaganda ban in effect for 7 years and there were only 2 convictions for violations of the regional laws and both were overturned. [Chapter 3] 5. In 6 months of the Federal Law there have been 3 convictions: 2 were acts of civil disobedience to challenge the legality of the law, the other is a story which you must read. [Chapter 3] 6.Statistically you are far more likely to be the victim of an anti-LGBT Hate Crime in the United States than in Russia. [Chapter 4] 7. In Russia you cannot be fired from your job for being an LGBT individual, in the United States you can. [Chapter 4] 8. Since 1993 gay sex was made legal in Russia, in 12 US States gay sex is a crime.[Chapter 4] 9. While President Obama says “I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to them.” his policies demonstrate he has nothing but patience. [Chapter 5] 10. The group impacted most if found to be in violation of the law: Multinational corporations. [Chapter 6] I'm sorry, but if that's the argument from the Russian side (or the unbiased truth) then Russia is very much in the wrong and deserves most of the flak it gets. Saying that parts of the US are worse isn't a very good excuse either. There are many communities in the US where people are afraid to come out. There's homophobia everywhere, even in Western Europe (professional sports being the most obvious example). So when people in power side with prejudice, even on the level of gestures, they deserve all the contempt they get for it. | ||
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Dlash23
Russian Federation38 Posts
On March 19 2014 16:24 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Does anyone know what Yatsenyuk is saying here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_g1Wg5ONdMa hypocritical, lying and does not blush | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
so exactly like Putin? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Deleted User 137586
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Russian official: Russia will retake the Baltics, Poland, Finland and Alaska. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:06 Ghanburighan wrote: Take this with an obvious grain of salt, but note that this is the mood in Russia, and statements unlike those people in neighboring countries here with increasing frequency. Russian official: Russia will retake the Baltics, Poland, Finland and Alaska. It's not mood in Russia :D It's just another Russian retard. Hope, noone really thinks that it's right. I just hope that some day we will free from such retards especially in diplomacy. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:15 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's not mood in Russia :D It's just another Russian retard. Hope, noone really thinks that it's right. I just hope that some day we will free from such retards especially in diplomacy. Would say that it's fair to say that it's the mood among the people in power? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:19 Ghanburighan wrote: Would say that it's fair to say that it's the mood among the people in power? While Putin is likely to want a restoration of the USSR I doubt even he expects to get that far. Atleast this in his lifetime. | ||
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FatCat_13
Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:06 Ghanburighan wrote: Take this with an obvious grain of salt, but note that this is the mood in Russia, and statements unlike those people in neighboring countries here with increasing frequency. Russian official: Russia will retake the Baltics, Poland, Finland and Alaska. It's a complete BS. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
i saw this vid was posted indirectly in oo's post, but should really be embedded in thread. maidan gangsters of parliament on their grind, the shakedown gets violent at ~4:35. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:06 Ghanburighan wrote: Take this with an obvious grain of salt, but note that this is the mood in Russia, and statements unlike those people in neighboring countries here with increasing frequency. Russian official: Russia will retake the Baltics, Poland, Finland and Alaska. Thank you for quoting some non english stuff. Do you seriously think that Russia does not know they can not go this far? In addition, there is ONE other country that wants to expand and even shows it on its money, but nobody EVER talks about it. Why? Edit: Here is the guy the EU supports: http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/Wiesenthal-ranks-top-10-anti-Semites-Israel-haters in the top 10 !! But of course, they want to bring holy democracy | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:19 Ghanburighan wrote: Would say that it's fair to say that it's the mood among the people in power? Nah, they're not retards to say that "DUDES, YOU SUCK SO WE WILL GET POLAND, FINLAND, BALTICS AND ALASKA, AND YOU JUST WILL DO NOTHING ABOUT IT". :D I don't think they really think about it, we have too many domestic problems to think about expanding. It's like SC2 game where you don't have probes for one saturation so you don't need to expand more. It's just retards like Milonov, Mizulina and other. Because of them and their retarded speeches, everyone thinks that we're absolutely homophobic/imperialistic and so on. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:22 Gorsameth wrote: While Putin is likely to want a restoration of the USSR I doubt even he expects to get that far. Atleast this in his lifetime. Who cares what the "Russians" want. It's the people in Crimea that count. If they want "back" to Russia, and despite the flaws in the referendum there is little doubt that they do, then by all means let them. Hardly anyone tries to defend Khrushchev's decision to give the Crimea to Ukraine, because almost everyone can tell that it was wrong. I understand the fear of people in Eastern European countries that this is just the beginning of further Russian expansionism, but that shouldn't be used as a reason to trample on the rights of the Crimeans. We'll cross that bridge when it comes to it, but any Russian who thinks that the Soviet Union can be easily restored now will be very disappointed. Crimea is a different matter. The west was all for building nation states and letting the population decide when it came to Yugoslavia, and now that it's Russians it's suddenly different? The EU should use this Russian victory. Let them have Crimea but force them to make concessions to get our approval. Not only concessions to the EU but mainly to the Ukraine to help their situation in these difficult times. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:52 Maenander wrote: Who cares what the "Russians" want. It's the people in Crimea that count. If they want "back" to Russia, and despite the flaws in the referendum there is little doubt that they do, then by all means let them. Hardly anyone tries to defend Khrushchev's decision to give the Crimea to Ukraine, because almost everyone can tell that it was wrong. I understand the fear of people in Eastern European countries that this is just the beginning of further Russian expansionism, but that shouldn't be used as a reason to trample on the rights of the Crimeans. We'll cross that bridge when it comes to it, but any Russian who thinks that the Soviet Union can be easily restored now will be very disappointed. Crimea is a different matter. The west was all for building nation states and letting the population decide when it came to Yugoslavia, and now that it's Russians it's suddenly different? The EU should use this Russian victory. Let them have Crimea but force them to make concessions to get our approval. Not only concessions to the EU but mainly to the Ukraine to help their situation in these difficult times. Id say there is plenty of reason to doubt what the Crimea people want. It has been shown often enough that the numbers don't add up. If this was a fair referendum sure. Then they decided and its up to them but this wasn't a remotely fair referendum. And ofc other countries are afraid. They have just been shown that all the promises they got are null and void while an angry bear at there borders is waking up. The west has send a clear message. You are on your own. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:52 Maenander wrote: Who cares what the "Russians" want. It's the people in Crimea that count. If they want "back" to Russia, and despite the flaws in the referendum there is little doubt that they do, then by all means let them. Hardly anyone tries to defend Khrushchev's decision to give the Crimea to Ukraine, because almost everyone can tell that it was wrong. I understand the fear of people in Eastern European countries that this is just the beginning of further Russian expansionism, but that shouldn't be used as a reason to trample on the rights of the Crimeans. We'll cross that bridge when it comes to it, but any Russian who thinks that the Soviet Union can be easily restored now will be very disappointed. Crimea is a different matter. The west was all for building nation states and letting the population decide when it came to Yugoslavia, and now that it's Russians it's suddenly different? The EU should use this Russian victory. Let them have Crimea but force them to make concessions to get our approval. Not only concessions to the EU but mainly to the Ukraine to help their situation in these difficult times. If its so obvious what the people of crimea want then why are the votes so blatantly tampered with? Why is this being done now, when there is a chaotic situation and militias/russian army running around on crimea with guns and other weapons? Why was it done in such short notice? Where has the huge movement on crimea to rejoin russia been up to now? And also, does Putin use the same logic to regions in russia? Let the ppl decide? | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On March 19 2014 21:57 Gorsameth wrote: Id say there is plenty of reason to doubt what the Crimea people want. It has been shown often enough that the numbers don't add up. If this was a fair referendum sure. Then they decided and its up to them but this wasn't a remotely fair referendum. And ofc other countries are afraid. They have just been shown that all the promises they got are null and void while an angry bear at there borders is waking up. The west has send a clear message. You are on your own. No country who is in the NATO is on its own. It's just not true. The Ukraine is an entirely different case and that should be made clear. The Ukraine is a failed state politically and economically, the Euromaidan protesters and the pro-Russian separatists are just two sides of the same coin. Both movements are unhappy about the political and economic situation, get easily seduced by nationalistic sentiments and are looking to outside forces for help. It's likely that the Ukraine will be better off without a bunch of Crimean separatists adding to its multitude of problems. And it's time to move on beyond this silly confrontation between superpowers and face the real crisis, which is the desolate state of the Ukraine and its economy. On March 19 2014 22:08 Fjodorov wrote: And also, does Putin use the same logic to regions in russia? Let the ppl decide? How is that any justification for doing the same? Two wrongs don't make one right. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On March 19 2014 22:15 Maenander wrote: No country who is in the NATO is on its own. It's just not true. The Ukraine is an entirely different case and that should be made clear. The Ukraine is a failed state politically and economically, the Euromaidan protesters and the pro-Russian separatists are just two sides of the same coin. Both movements are unhappy about the political and economic situation, get easily seduced by nationalistic sentiments and are looking to outside forces for help. It's likely that the Ukraine will be better off without a bunch of Crimean separatists adding to its multitude of problems. And it's time to move on beyond this silly confrontation between superpowers and face the real crisis, which is the desolate state of the Ukraine and its economy. the US, UK and Russia had a treaty to protect Ukraine's sovereign integrity. One of those Invaded it. The other 2 stood by and let it happen. You tell me that anyone in that region is feeling safe right now? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 19 2014 22:18 Gorsameth wrote: the US, UK and Russia had a treaty to protect Ukraine's sovereign integrity. One of those Invaded it. The other 2 stood by and let it happen. You tell me that anyone in that region is feeling safe right now? Had a treaty? Apparently there is an info that treaty (at least in Russia) was not really approved (ratificated?) | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 19 2014 22:20 lolfail9001 wrote: Had a treaty? Apparently there is an info that treaty (at least in Russia) was not really approved (ratificated?) Obviously russia has to find a reason now to declare that document void, they would look stupid if they would not. If that makes the document really void, is a different story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances | ||
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